Dems About to Sue Catholic Church?

Fox News | 5/23/04

[sweetliberty]

How dare the church teach and act on scriptural teaching!

[sweetliberty]

"Pretty soon the Libs will be telling us what we can and cannot believe in."

Oh, we can believe whatever we want as long as we don't tell anybody about it or act on our beliefs.

[sweetliberty]

"Pretty soon the Libs will be telling us what we can and cannot believe in."

Oh, we can believe whatever we want as long as we don't tell anybody about it or act on our beliefs.

[Lady Jag]

Pretty soon the Libs will be telling us what we can and cannot believe in.

Yeah, and they'll be suing GOD next.

Democrats, Please don't vote
for another lying scumbag!

[sweetliberty]

"So much for the liberal-valued "separation" of church and state.

Liberals only use the Constitution (or their interpretation of it) to serve their own agendas. It means nothing as an objective document as foundational to the law as the Ten Commandments. They pick and choose when it's important and what it means is what activist judges say it means at any given time. We are fast approaching a critical choice: revolution or slavery.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Of course they have the right to sue! After all, the Church is besmirching these Democrats' reputations. < /sarcasm>

They get a whole lot of votes by pretending to be good Catholics, votes from people who might otherwise vote for more conservative candidates if they didn't have that reassurance that "Joe Blow's a good Catholic boy who goes ta mass every Sunday!" If the Church strips away that patina of respectability, Catholic voters might have to start looking hard at these characters' voting records...and political disaster might follow.

[HitmanLV]

Nah, I don't think so.

[Dog Gone]

This raises several questions. Will they? (I believe they will). When? What chance does such a suit have to be heard in federal court? Would the current Supreme Court hear an appeal and uphold the Liberals (I believe yes).

Sorry, but no chance in hell of any of those things happening.

[sweetliberty]

"I would guess that the dems are after the church's tax exempt status."

Of course. Don't you know that everybody's money belongs in the RAT controlled public coffers?

[Blzbba]

Will all the politicians who support Capital Punishment, which is frowned against by the Vatican, be refused Communion, or is abortion the only issue?

I don't take Communion because I support Capital Punishment, which puts me in contrast with the Vatican.

[gov_bean_ counter]

Hey, it's not like this hasn't sorta happened before...

In Henry the VIII's England...

Under the guidance of the king's new minister, Thomas Cromwell, the anticlerical Parliament drew up (1532) the Supplication Against the Ordinaries, a long list of grievances against the church. In a document known as the Submission of the Clergy, the convocation of the English church accepted Henry's claim that all ecclesiastical legislation was subject to royal approval. Acts stopping the payment of annates to Rome and forbidding appeals to the pope followed. The pope still refused to give way on the divorce issue, but he did agree to the appointment (1533) of the king's nominee, Thomas Cranmer, as archbishop of Canterbury. Cranmer immediately pronounced Henry's marriage with Katharine invalid and crowned Anne (already secretly married to Henry) queen, and the pope excommunicated Henry.

[sweetliberty]

"I don't think even the dems are that stupid."

I wouldn't bet on it. The RAT leadership is pure evil through and through and stands against every value that built America. They are so blinded by that evil and the hatred it has generated that they don't even notice how stupid many of their actions are. After all, they are certain that they are the only ones qualified to make those determinations.

[MHGinTN]

Now why would the socialist democrat party sue an institution which they already ignore?

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

I hope this issue explodes into an all out media war between the Catholic Church and the Liberals in this country. I hope it dominates every other issue, even the war in Iraq, so that come November there will be enough anger for the Democrats that Bush will win by a landslide.

[Unam Sanctam]

There would be no grounds for such a suit. Politicians cannot dictate religious practices of a private religious association.

[sweetliberty]

" it's not like this hasn't sorta happened before..."

Which is why the idea of separation of church and state was adopted in America to begin with.

[Landru]

"This raises several questions..."

Just one question's necessary & Amendment I is it.

Of course they've routinely shit on the 1st (CFR most recently) & the II (every way from Sunday), V, VI, VII, VIII, IX...et al ad nauseum over the years so this attempt's merely their way of lettting us all know what's coming down the pike for us.

Can't be too much longer, now.

...before it'll be *broken* but-good.

[Patton@Bastogne]

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Craig_Eddy,


The government CANNOT compel a religion to act as the government wishes. THAT is the point of the "separation of church and state."


REPLY EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

1 - Church Tax-Exempt Status : Why Created in 1934 ?

2 - Church Political Success : 1919 versus 1998 (General Patton vis-à-vis Richard Simmons).

3 - Christians' "Right-to-Know" : Primary Goal of Federal Lawsuit against Dobson, Falwell and Robertson.

4 - Biblical Commands AGAINST Church Tax-Exempt Status.

5 - US Churches : Frankenstein of Religious & Secular Entities




ISSUE-1 : Birth of Church Tax-Exempt Status - As Political Hush Money

Adopted by US Congress in 1934, immediately after Prohibition Repealed. WHY ?

Liberals FEARED the Awesome Political Power of Christian churches, especially after their successful Constitutional Amendment for Prohibition in 1919. Liberals wanted to "politically castrate" the Churches, and keep them "Out of the Game" forever. IRS 501 c-3 did just that.

Church Building Programs & Sunday TV-Broadcasts get BIG BUCKS (courtesy of tax-exempt donations). Meanwhile, Prayer is removed from Public Schools, Ten-Million Babies are butchered like Dogs, and the Nation descends in an abyss of moral degeneracy.



ISSUE-2 : Who had/has more political power ?

Option-1: US Churches in 1919 (14 years BEFORE tax-exempt status) in their Campaign for Prohibition, without the benefit of CBN's satellite TV network.

Option-2: US Churches in 1998 (64 years AFTER tax-exempt status), with pathetic defeats on the Abortion Holocaust, TV Pornography, Prayer removed from Public Schools, Prayer removed from University Graduation ceremonies, an Educational Disaster, and the culmination of all abominations, President William Jefferson Clinton (with all his decayed baggage of murder, sex scandals, and unparalleled corruption).



ISSUE-3 : Why did I launch a Federal Lawsuit against Icons of the Christian Religious Right, especially since I endorse 99-percent of that Glorious Socio/Political Agenda ?

To expose the leadership's "dirty little secret" about IRS 501 c-3 (et al). Lawsuit demanded that ALL church members receive an explanation of the "voluntary" political activity restrictions of Dobson, Robertson, Falwell, et al.

IRS 501 c-3 is a Federal Contract (US Supreme Court decision) that "earns" Religious Corporations hundreds of millions annually, paid from the US Government coffers, as "political hush money" (a la Webster Hubble, Monica Lewinski, ad nausea). Religious Corporations agree to abstain from candidate endorsements & legislative lobbying.



ISSUE-4 : Why is "Political Tax-Exempt Status" such a Spiritual Abomination, with Churches having a "sweetheart Deal" to not pay Federal Taxes ?

There's NO FREE LUNCH (especially from Governments), as clearly taught by Jesus Christ. His "Render Unto Caesar" acknowledged that Rome would demand a Quid Pro Quo (something in return) IF they let Him get away with not paying taxes.

(Exodus 23:8) "You shall not accept a bribe, for bribery makes the discerning man blind and the just man give a crooked answer" (NEB).

(Deuteronomy 16:19) "You shall not pervert the course of justice or show favor, nor shall you accept a bribe; for bribery makes the wise man blind and the just man give a crooked answer." (NEB)

(Matthew 6:24) "No servant can be the slave of two masters ... You cannot serve God and Money". (NEB)



Therefore, GENUINE (I surrender all) Christians are clearly forbidden to accept money or gifts for Silence on Any Issue, albeit spiritual or moral. Church tax-exempt status absolute violates God's clear requirement that Christians say whatever needs to be said, regardless of the consequences or retribution.



ISSUE-5 : US Churches : Frankenstein of Religious & Secular Entities

I’m NOT a lawyer, just an Engineer, so my knowledge of Religious Corporations was acquired slowly after many hours in the Tulane University Law Library (New Orleans).

The US Supreme Court recognizes that US churches are comprised of TWO "Separate But Equal Entities".

Just like US segregation laws before Civil Rights …

Entity A : Religious Piece / Independent of US Government Control

Legal Jurisdiction over Theology, Prayers, Hymns and other Spiritual Stuff, etc.

Entity B : Secular Piece / Potential Slaves to Federal Tax-Exempt Law

Legal Jurisdiction over Money, Property, Purchase Orders for Hymn Books, Insurance Contracts, Payroll, Corporate Officers & Boards of Directors, Zoning Permits, Water & Electric Utility Bills, Salaries, Bonuses, Air Conditioned Dog Houses, Legal Fees, TV and Radio Broadcasts.

IF --- a Religious Corporation is under IRS 501 c-3, then ALL of the Secular Stuff is UNDER FEDERAL CONTROL.



LEGAL CASE STUDY : Bob Jones University vs. United States (1973)

Bob Jones University (BJU) prohibited inter-racial dating and marriage between it’s Staff and Students. The US Justice department said this violated the "pre-eminent" policy of US Racial Integration Policies.

BJU replied that their prohibition against inter-racial dating and marriage rested EXCLUSIVELY on their Theology and Biblical Interpretation. US said that their Federal Integration Policy was more important than BJU’s theology, especially since BJU was a Federal Contractor vis-à-vis IRS 501 C-3.

US Supreme Court ruled against BJU in 1973.

BJU’s Response : Jettisoned their Tax-Exempt Status, so that they could faithfully follow their Biblical Beliefs and Convictions. Moreover, BJU was NOW free to engage in Political Activity to their heart’s content, NO LONGER SPIRITUAL SLAVES to their Federal Tax-Exempt Masters.





Copy of Federal Lawsuit available upon request.


Patton@Bastogne



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[sweetliberty]

"Now why would the socialist democrat party sue an institution which they already ignore?"

Easy. Lot's of money and power over the one thing that stands in their way of absolute power of the state over the people....God. Not that God and the Catholic church are one in the same, but because it is the most powerful single representation of a Christian God in this country and if they can subjugate the Catholic church to its will, then it will be much easier to subjugate the less powerful churches as well.

[bert]

Pretty soon??? Pretty soon ????

Libeeralizm is founded on the first principle of telling us what to do. The whole point of the leftwing belief system is to tell people what must be believed.