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Bush's Pro-Life Record as of May 18, 2004, by Fr. Peter West
Private e-mail of Fr. Peter West ^ | 05.18.04 | Fr. Peter West

Posted on 05/23/2004 11:44:55 AM PDT by Coleus

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To: Coleus

Thanks .. what a wonderful "stash" of material!!!


21 posted on 05/23/2004 3:02:53 PM PDT by DollyCali ("What happens in Vegas, STAYS in Vegas". Laura Bush to Jay Leno May 2004)
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To: Coleus; Miss Marple; Mr. Silverback; Faith; marylina; anniegetyourgun; JulieRNR21; kayak; DrDeb
This is an amazing list, Coleus....even more extensive than I knew..... Thank you! (And thanks for the ping, Miss Marple!)

PRO-LIFE President PING!

This thread is bookmarked!

22 posted on 05/24/2004 7:30:36 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: ex-snook
The moment of truth??

I see a hundred 'moments of truth' above............the question is.......why can't you??

23 posted on 05/24/2004 7:32:29 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: ohioWfan
"I see a hundred 'moments of truth' above............the question is.......why can't you?? "

The 'moment of truth' is when a politican has to pick between his political future and life. That shows where his 'heart and mind' is. If he can't convince himself to do the right thing, he can't convince me. That's why.

24 posted on 05/24/2004 7:54:54 AM PDT by ex-snook (They had their chance. Dump all incumbents who won't bring back outsourced America.)
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To: ex-snook
What a jaded eye you have.

You're miffed that the President supported (the incumbent) Specter in order to get the numbers in the Senate he needs to accomplish the conservative goals he has for the country, and you choose to ignore his massive list of pro-life accomplishments right before your eyes.

I used to think that only the left couldn't see the forest for the trees............

25 posted on 05/24/2004 8:33:46 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Common Tator

You calculus would hold if the conservatives saw any value in keeping GOP majorities at the cost of tolerating the Snowes, the Collinses and the Spectres.

But given that Spectre is the chief obstacle to pro-life legislation, the value of him getting reelected rather than a democrat challenger elected is at best marginal.

The cost of Bush's betrayal is, on the other hand, greater than just that senate seat, because it signaled conservative politicians in every state that if they run agains RINOs, the GOP komissariat will treat that as an insurgency to be crushed.

You are correct that Conservatives cannot get elected on their own merit; their best hope is to influence the GOP. This does not mean that their interest align with the GOP perfectly, and there are instances when influencing the GOP can only be done by causing the GOP to lose as the conservatives withdraw support. That is the lesson from Pensylvania primary.


26 posted on 05/24/2004 10:46:58 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
There are instances when influencing the GOP can only be done by causing the GOP to lose as the conservatives withdraw support. That is the lesson from Pensylvania primary.

That is the lesson you think you taught the GOP.

The message the Bush camp got is

The Conservative far right, even in a low turn out primary, is not numerous enough to defeat the most liberal RINO in the US SENATE. That is the messge you sent. And that is the message received.

What part of, "To prove you have the power to defeat someone ... you have to defeat them." escapes you?


27 posted on 05/24/2004 11:01:17 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator

No, I was referring to the lesson the conservatives learned, or should have learned, from PA. I was not commenting on the lesson the establishment GOP should learn.

When the conservatives won't turn out to support the RINO party, the GOP will have two options, to further blend with the DINOs into centrism, or cultivate its base with action. I suspect, they will choose the former, but I may be wrong.


28 posted on 05/24/2004 11:10:49 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Common Tator

"The message the Bush camp got is : The Conservative far right, even in a low turn out primary, is not numerous enough to defeat the most liberal RINO in the US SENATE. That is the messge you sent. And that is the message received."

What on Earth are you talking about? Bush jumped in with both feet, along with the whole GOP establishment, to prevent the pro-life conservative Toomey from beating the abortion-loving RINO who will, if victorious, chair the Judiciary Committee. This will frustrate pro-life efforts for years to come. Even if Toomey lost in November (not a given), pro-life conservative Kyle of Arizona would then chair the Judiciary Committee.

Just like with the last two California Governors races, the White House and the GOP machine jumps in to frustrate conservatives and elect RINOs. There was no obligation for them to interfere, and the traditional pre-Rove sense of decorum dictated that the President and the party machinery would NOT interfere in primarys. All decorum is out the window now.


29 posted on 05/24/2004 11:17:28 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: ohioWfan
Bush Administration Pulls Plug on Financing of Pro-Abortion Global Health Council Conference
30 posted on 05/24/2004 10:25:57 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
Outstanding resource!

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

31 posted on 05/25/2004 12:19:06 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
ANY "politician" who thinks it is acceptable to grid up a child and suck that child out of its mothers womb is unfit for ANY public office because that fail to understand the very nature of life itself. No way I could ever vote for Kerry - even if he were running unopposed.
32 posted on 05/25/2004 12:30:19 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Coleus

Impressive list.


33 posted on 05/25/2004 12:33:15 PM PDT by al_c
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To: Coleus; *Catholic_list; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; ..
Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


34 posted on 05/25/2004 12:53:04 PM PDT by NYer (Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light! (2Cor 11:14))
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To: Coleus

Wonderful compilation. Bookmarked.


35 posted on 05/25/2004 5:27:51 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Coleus
Bush's Pro-Life Record as of May 18, 2004, by Fr. Peter West

That should be enough to earn a D- from the American Life League, the "We don't support the partial-birth abortion ban" people.

36 posted on 05/25/2004 6:33:20 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the voluminous list! It will make it's way to the FR archived articles (on my website) in a few weeks....also....I will make SURE to email this posting to ALL my Catholic friends in time for the 2004 election!

I am deeply indebted for your posting this!

FReegards,

ConservativeStLouisGuy
37 posted on 06/04/2004 10:21:41 AM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy; OldFriend

Thanks, spread the word. Don't forget to e-mail your non-Cathlic pro-life friends too.


38 posted on 06/04/2004 4:05:08 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

There's no gray area with Judy Brown, as the Catholic Church teaches you are either pro life or not, period.


39 posted on 06/12/2004 6:37:59 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
There's no gray area with Judy Brown

Yeah, just like the pharisees of Jesus's day. Sadly, her fundamentalist protestant tactics (yes, I know she is a Catholic) have done a great deal of harm to the pro-life movement.

as the Catholic Church teaches you are either pro life or not, period.

Not true on two counts. First and much to Judy Brown's chagrin, the Church does permit an "exception" to the prohibition against the deliberate killing of an embryo. Such an act is permissible as a secondary effect of a legitimate defense. Thus, an ectopic pregnancy may be removed to save the life of the mother. I have an archive of Ms. Brown stating on the EWTN's question and answer forum the false and dangerous advice that the fallopian tube must first rupture before such a procedure would be acceptable.

She is more than just wrong, her dangerous theology could get some woman killed. Thankfully the wise nun's at EWTN appear to have removed this radical error from their web site.

Second, your absolutist statement about the Church is simply in error. From Evangelium Vitae, section 73:

ALL's fervent and blind work against positive restrictions on abortion such as the Partial Birth Abortion Ban is both destructive and counter to church teaching. It is of little surprise that ALL seems to side more with Planned Parenthood more than it does with National Right to Life on pro-life legislation. I have personally talked to pro-life legislators who are dumbfounded by having a seemingly pro-life organization like ALL work side-by-side with PP to sink pro-life legislation that would limit and reduce abortion. Although ALL does some good protesting work, their misguided legislative agenda is a liability to the pro-life movement.

40 posted on 06/12/2004 8:25:45 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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