Posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:30 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Calling the approval of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts "the straw that broke the camel's back," a group of Christian activists is in the beginning stages of an effort to have one state secede from the United States to become its own sovereign nation.
"Our Christian republic has declined into a pagan democracy," says Cory Burnell, president of ChristianExodus.org, a non-profit corporation based in Tyler, Texas. "There are some issues people just can't take anymore, and [same-sex marriage] might finally wake up the complacent Christians."
Burnell is leading the charge for a peaceful secession of one state from the union, and after originally considering Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina due to their relatively small populations, coastal access, and the Christian nature of the electorate, Burnell says South Carolina has been selected as the target location.
The plan initially calls for at least 12,000 Christians willing to be active in political campaigns to move to the Palmetto State.
"We're not an invading force, we're reinforcements," Burnell tells WorldNetDaily, saying it would be a waste to move to liberal-minded states such as Massachusetts, New York or California where conservative votes would be diluted.
According to the ChristianExodus website, which is slated for a major relaunch next month, "Christians have actively tried to return our entire land to its moral foundation for more than 20 years. We can categorically say that absolutely nothing has been achieved. If you disagree, consider this:
* Abortion continues against the wishes of many states * Children may not pray in our schools * The Bible is not welcome in schools except under strict federal guidelines
* The 10 Commandments remain banned from public display * Sodomy is now legal and celebrated as 'diversity' rather than perversion
* Preaching Christianity will soon be outlawed as 'hate speech' * Gay marriage will be foisted upon us in the very near future
"All these atrocities continue in spite of the fact that we now have the 'right' people in places of power. Indeed, the occupant of the White House is a professing Christian. The U.S. attorney general is believed to be a devout Christian. 'Conservatives' control both Houses of Congress, and Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices."
The idea of moving thousands of people to affect the voting in one state is not new. As WorldNetDaily has previously reported, the Free State Project has goals of restoring certain personal liberties and limited government – but without seceding from the union. Last year, a group of 4,500 libertarians decided New Hampshire would be the best state.
S. Carolina state flag
Burnell, a math teacher and cell-phone dealer, stresses he's not looking for bloody battles that took place in the American Revolution and the Civil War, but is rather seeking a "political divorce."
"It's got to be different today," he says. "It has to be peaceful, brokered."
But he admits if the federal government decides to use military force to stop the effort, "Then it can't happen."
Already a dozen people are actively working on the project, and some 1,500 by e-mails of support have been received.
If all goes according to plan, Burnell is hoping to have a constitutional convention by 2014, with a president of the new nation – still to be known as South Carolina – elected in 2016, which is also a presidential election year in the U.S.
He says the nation would be founded on Christian principles, and the people writing its constitution would have to hash out details to safeguard it as a Christian republic.
For now, Burnell prefers to shy away from specifics on the precise laws governing the country.
"Independence first, details later," he says.
bump.
I notice you haven't replied to the "when it fails, what then ?" Question. You KNOW it WILL fail. So what happens after that ?
It's WORSE than the colonists had it during the American Revolution. That's a fact.
The colonists were oppressed...
We are MORE oppressed than the Colonists were!
...whereas nobody is denying you of your rights.
What have you been smoking?!? My mother had a right to kill me before I was born, and as a Christian I barely have a right to breath in public schools, and I am a tax slave to the goverment, and you think my rights are not denied?!?
We're told we can't have prayer in public schools, Christians don't have as much rights as Radical Muslims do, in fact Christian are being forced into the closet as gays are coming out of the closet, the I.R.S....oh forget it, anybody who could make a comment as stuoid as that comment you made above is NOT going toget it.
last I heard your representatives were not refusing to take your calls, or blocking your emails.
Nazis took phone calls from Jews, too. It hardly meant they weren't killing them, too!
When they do, feel free to vote their sorry behinds out of office.
...the Supreme Court Justices are not taking my calls and I cannot vote them out of office.
The colonists did not have that option.
Nor do we. The Supreme Court has seen to it that their despotic power cannot be challenged.
I notice you haven't replied to the "when it fails, what then ?" Question. You KNOW it WILL fail. So what happens after that ?
I didn't repsond to it because it was a stuoid question, but I'll humor you. If we would have failed, then what? If my mom would not have ever had sex, then what? If We failed to stop Al Gore, then What? If the sky were green, then what? Well...it would be green. We would have failed trying to do the right thing, rather than succeeded at doing the wrong thing.
No offense, but you would need 27 promotions to be dense.
If they get the Palmetto State, I hope it won't turn out like the Taliban's Afghanistan, with religious police, etc.
Using one of the original 13 to form a theocracy is ironic, to say the least.
Where have you been for the last 30 years?
Mississippi is a better choice. I saw a thread last week we are already considered the most pro life state in the union. Also it does have some oil reserves down south and well Haley Barbour for 6, like they gave Jeff Davis!
You need ports.
A landlocked nation wouldn't be able to have the commerce without going through another country. That wouldn't be an option.
LOL. Good point.
The emperor's name is Sodomy, and we are being forced to bow down (dare I say, bend over...) and proclaim our loyalty in schools and workplaces. Californication public schools require "gay" education from 1st grade, to cite just one example. Nobody is forcing us to BE homosexual, but they are working very hard to force us to APPLAUD it. It's not enough to tolerate it but disagree -- they won't allow us to even disagree with it.
If at first you don't secede, try, try again.
(As my Union Army greatgreatgrandfather rolls over in his grave...)
Nobody is forcing you to agree with anything. If you don't like what is being taught in schools, then either be more active, use the legislative process, or homeschool.
In that case, how do you deal with the fact that the powers that be (in the USA and quite a few other countries), were established by rebellions? If God raises up kings and setteth them down, then we MUST make room in our theology for the fact that God at times may proclaim that a certain government's time is over and ORDAIN rebellion against it.
In the Old Testament times, Jewish law held that a rebellion was justified if it had prophetic sanction -- and to name just 2 examples, the US rebellion against Britain and the Mexican rebellion against Spain were both supported from the pulpit.
Activism has failed, legislative process has failed, and not everyone can afford to homeschool. (We can, but many can't.)
Nobody is forcing you to agree with anything.
The future is Canada. US liberals are ecstatic over the fact that it's now actually illegal to proclaim "homosexuality is a sin". They're very close to doing that here under the guise of "hate speech".
Impeachment would have been better.
Until you get to Heaven, there's always the Upper Peninsula of Michigan . . .
Move to Missisippi or Alabama? Is this before or after tort reform?
Move to South Carolina? Is this before or after Lou Holtz?
Anyway, seems like I recall Nehemiah being willing to go back to the ruins of Jerusalem to rebuild the walls. I guess he thought relocating Judiasm to a nice peaceful spot in Persia wasn't much of an option.
Some condo type planned communities, where ALL property is owned by the association, [save the inside of the residence], have this type of political control built in. - Non-conforming residents can be evicted & their property rights bought back by the association.
The majority rules in these communitarian communities.
Federal anti-discrimination laws would probably prevent de jure discrimination against secularists, but if a developer says "This town of 5,000 people is for God-fearing Christians. Our police will enforce strict blue laws, morality codes etc." I highly doubt non-Christians would choose to live in that town.
Such associations cannot have 'police'. A security force, sure, but a county sheriff would have to be in control of criminal law enforcement. The only real police power a condo association has is banishment.
Once secluded in such a town, would it really matter if the state the town was located in permitted abortion or pornography or homosexual marriage... 50 miles away?? I highly doubt it would impact residents of such a town, or their children, at all.
Exactly. If abortion was against asso. rules, the woman involved could be evicted. -- IE, literally 'thrown out of town'.
Orthodox Jews and the Amish have been doing this for decades -- look at towns such as Monsey or Kiryas Joel in New York, for example. There's no reason Christians couldn't do the same.
Yep, as long as all the rules were clearly disclosed, and everyone legally agreed to abide by them, such a totalitarian 'town' would be legal, imo.
{It could also be a hell on earth.}
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