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Posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:30 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Destroy each other? Hardly. Many of the people participating in the Free State Project are Christians. At their "Porcupine Fest" scheduled for late June in New Hampshire, there is a non-denominational church service on the schedule for all the Christians in attendance. Funny...even some CHRISTIANS can appreciate the concept of freedom.
As soon as they all get there, they'll start fighting amongst themselves regarding who will be in charge. Ha! It'll never work.
You have to remember, though, that when judgement fell, it was God's will for them to go to Persia for a season. Eventually, they got to retkake their homeland.
I won't move there unless they amend their constitution to outlaw community associations.
Count me in. I am getting sick and tired of the United Sodoms of Gomorah!
I think rational people should form associations to build gated communities of this sort, and give fanatics special deals to move into them..
-- Then the rest of us could get on with living in liberty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
There are 2,229 households out of which 79.5% have children under the age of 18 living with them, 93.2% are married couples living together, 1.6% have a female householder with no husband present, and 4.1% are non-families. 2.8% of all households are made up of individuals and 2.1% have someone living alone who is 65 years of age or older. The average household size is 5.74 and the average family size is 5.84.
Yup, that's right -- an entire town with over 93% of households being married couples.
Since they run the town, they also run the police. That doesn't mean they can pass unconstitutional laws. It does, however, mean two things:
1)Through constitutional means (i.e. zoning laws) they wield a tremendous amount of power.
2) Because of the total domination of the town by Hassidic Jews, no one wants to live there -- so they can be basically undisturbed and raise their children without any outside influence, for better or for worse.
My point was that a town couldn't pass unconstitutional 'blue laws' or restrict abortion, etc, whereas a condo asso could have such 'rules'.
Since they run the town, they also run the police.
That doesn't mean they can pass unconstitutional laws.
Correct, -- but the Christians in the article ~demand~ that they can pass restrictive laws infringing on rights to life, liberty or property, and enforce them with the police power of a state, county or town.
-- No dice, under the US Constitution.
You'd be surprised how much you can do constitutionally with zoning and regulatory laws (btw, most blue laws ARE constitutional -- despite having their origin in religion).
Either way, one or the other, or both, it is moot. It will not happen and the idea is bogus.
No, I wouldn't, seeing I wasted a lot of my life as a building contractor playing the game of getting around them. I was happy to retire and let someone else fight against the petty bureaucrats.
(btw, most blue laws ARE constitutional -- despite having their origin in religion).
Only those that regulate public displays of 'sin', imo.
Criminalizing what we do in private with other consenting adults is not a power granted to any level of government that I've ever seen. -- And prohibiting the possession of 'evil' objects is an even more insane bluenose activity.
Can you agree?
Why is the idea of restortion of a 'free state' ~bogus~?
Strange word to use. Do you consider a states powers under the 10th to be "bogus"? `
I agree that I hate the government meddling with the private market and people's private lives. I think most of that meddling is constitutional -- but not advisable. I, for one, would hate to live where the government regulates what I can and can't do.
ChicagoHebrew wrote:
I, for one, would hate to live where the government regulates what I can and can't do.
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You presently live in some utopia?
How do I get there?
Sorry, the little "condo" community would still have to exist and operate aacording to the laws of the state and federal government.
I assume you would give the same advice to the Jews in Nazi Germany.
That's a very naive statement you made, BSunday. Yes, the radical left are attempting to force us to agree with their positions. That's one of the problems with "hate crimes" legislation, "discrimination" laws pertaining to the gay agenda, etc.
Gee, I'll tell you what, why don't you come live here in California for a change. That might give you some perspective.
Not too long ago, if I remember correctly, our radical leftist legislators was working on legislation that would make it illegal for a church to refuse to hire practicing gays to certain positions (so much for religious liberty).
If I remember correctly, these leftist legislators also thought that transgender/transexuals/transvestites are a protected class, and that a Christian book store, therefore, should be required to hire them (I 'm sure you always expect you and your children to see a transexual at the cashier of your local Christian book store).
That happens in every new form of Government, Saundra. But I think it would definitely work. Sure, there will be some battling going on over beliefs, power, etc., but at least the battle will be over differing conservative beliefs, for the most part.
A "condo" city within the U.S. missis the whole point.
Not at all. You want the power to banish your neighbor for 'sinning'? -- You got it in condo city.
I assume the citizens would still be taxed by the federal government and those tax dollars would be used to support anti-Christian beliefs.
Hey, if you want to be free of US taxes, you would ~have~ to leave. That will never change. - Trust me on this.
Also, it would be naive to think that some A.C.L.U. fans would not try to gain access, then sue when they are denied or "banished" in order to change the laws.
Condo 'law' is a pretty cut and dried form of business conract law. The 'aclu' type ploy hasn't won yet in this field.
Sorry, the little "condo" community would still have to exist and operate aacording to the laws of the state and federal government.
Of course it would.
As I said initially, the only power such an association has is eviction. -- And its enough.
Bannishment from the community has worked for thousands of years to establish/keep control over cult & sect members.
I have actually thought of that. I forget why. But I don't know a great deal about it so it often escapes my review/survey of such options!
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