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1 posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:33 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Hmm, good luck with that guys - nothing is going to happen of course.

You'd be far more likely to have some sort of an effect by moving to a battleground state like FL, but oh well.


2 posted on 05/23/2004 11:58:35 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

If they are serious, I swear my family and I will join them. No question. For now, I'm getting ready. A change is coming.


3 posted on 05/23/2004 11:59:09 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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Burnell is leading the charge for a peaceful secession of one state from the union, and after originally considering Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina due to their relatively small populations, coastal access, and the Christian nature of the electorate, Burnell says South Carolina has been selected as the target location.

Oh yeah, that worked real well last time.

4 posted on 05/24/2004 12:00:13 AM PDT by mhx
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

There's no contesting that the black-robed tyrants have foisted upon all moral people an intolerable situation. All the same, things are going to get really ugly really fast if any state attempts to secede from the Union.

Sadly, I am at a loss on how this intolerable situation can be remedied in any other way that will cut the legs out from under the anti-morality, pro-Leftist, pro-criminal, pro-perversion judicial tyranny we face.


5 posted on 05/24/2004 12:01:25 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Love your enemies... It really ticks 'em off!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Sounds like a good idea to draw attention.


6 posted on 05/24/2004 12:01:34 AM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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WND Poll:


What do you think of the campaign to get Christians to move to South Carolina and then secede from the union?

It's just as brave as American colonists declaring independence from Britain 23.96% (81)


Christians are the majority in the U.S., why do they need to retreat to South Carolina? 17.75% (60)


It will fail, but may dramatize problem of America's increasingly anti- Christian culture 17.16% (58)


Feds will never allow secession – remember the Civil War? 10.06% (34)


I like the idea, but I'd prefer another state to South Carolina 7.69% (26)


The idea is intriguing, and I'd like to find out more information 7.10% (24)


It's insane 5.62% (19)


I'm on my way to South Carolina to support this 4.44% (15)


It's so radical, it will appeal only to a tiny fringe 3.25% (11)


It's a good idea, but not enough people will join in for it to work 2.96% (10)




TOTAL VOTES: 338


7 posted on 05/24/2004 12:03:01 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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There are plenty of secular reasons not to redefine the word "marriage." We don't need to build a theocracy to fight the people who would tear down our republic. Until the tyranny of the minority became politically correct, it would have been unthinkable to have men marrying men or women marrying women, let alone manufacturing children for these "unions."

Those would would tear up the definition of our democratic society for the lusts and predilections of a few are the real threats to the social fabric. We don't need anything new, we just need to ostracize the anarchists hiding behind their false (and rarely held) ideals, and berate them for their depravity and their lack of judgment.

This is equally a secular issue as well as a religious one. Anyone who says that it's the issue of separating church from state that prevents us from dealing with it are part of that tyranny of the minority.

8 posted on 05/24/2004 12:07:43 AM PDT by risk
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I do believe SC was burned to the ground the last time this was tried. I don't expect it will do much more good if it's tried again.


11 posted on 05/24/2004 12:11:35 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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If states did not secede over Roe v. Wade, they aren't going to do so over sodomite marriage.

Secession over Roe would have been perfectly justified.

12 posted on 05/24/2004 12:12:05 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Not off to a good start. South Carolina doesn't make near as much sense as Alabama or Mississippi. AL or MS would have a much better chance of getting the other to join, and perhaps TN, KY, AR, LA, maybe even TX & OK, than SC would NC or GA. If this idea ever had a chance, the key to success would be strength in numbers, and putting together the largest contiguous block possible.

Of course it will never happen, but an interesting 'what if' scenario, kinda like political 'Risk' Get a solid block from TX/OK to TN/AL, and you'd then have a shot at KS & NB, which could then pull in WY and UT, maybe ID. Do all that, and GA would probably come along. Now you've got a booming, self-sufficient Southern/Flyover block, that if successful in secession would more than hold its own economically, at some point perhaps luring the Dakotas, WV, and maybe even NC and CO.

OK, back to reality.


16 posted on 05/24/2004 12:23:32 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Same things that piss these folks off are on my radar too but this is not a state by state issue or even exclusively regional....it might be urban versus rural outside the South.

Nay, it's simply that we now have a sharply divided nation with our side driving the train but the left controls the tracks and the furnace and the whistle stops along the way.

Only cataclysm will stop this slide. We should pray for our descendents to prevail in the future, for this battle is surely coming.


17 posted on 05/24/2004 12:28:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Hmmm.. have to admit that such as thought has crossed my mind, though both the possibility of success, and the end result are very much in doubt.

Perhaps we could retry the idea, "Constitutional Republic".

1) It simply is not Biblical for Christians to segregate themselves from the rest of the world. ("Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Matt 28:19). Christians are not to be "of the world", but certainly we are sent to be "in the world", to preach Christ.

2) What's missing in the U.S. is not Christian government, but Christians IN government, ensuring that the original "contract" (i.e. the U.S. Constitution) between the people and Government is enforced.

The Constitution has been used for toilet paper for about 100 years now. The true solution is to turn back that tide, i.e. to put honest men and women into government, to show Christ in our actions, providing the Holy Spirit the opportunity to change this nation through our example. Christian judges would not have broken their oath to uphold the Constitution, as evil men in black robes have for the past 100 years.

I swear the status quo is horrid, but I believe the struggle of American Christians is a trial permitted by the Lord. Certainly, our struggle is nothing compared to many of our brothers and sisters face daily throughout the world, i.e. even torture and death.

I believe we can bear up, and do the Lord's will without succeeding from the Union, and creating a "Christian" nation. Steady on, my Christian friends.

SFS

26 posted on 05/24/2004 2:40:06 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone (SFS)
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"South Carolina is too small to be a Republic, and too large to be an insane asylum." -- James Petigru, 1860


30 posted on 05/24/2004 3:45:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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...an effort to have one state secede from the United States to become its own sovereign nation.

Didn’t Florida try this 143 years ago - with disastrous consequences?

31 posted on 05/24/2004 3:49:45 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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As relatively impossible as it would be to take over New Zealand as a Christian nation, I suspect it would be easier.

Alaska might be easier except the USA would prize it's military options there and Russia expects to get it back in WWIII anyway.

Tasmania might be an option but there's a lot of freethinker types there, too.

Nepal might be interesting but with the Maoists and fierce Buddhists, it's probably not a remotely good option either.

Sri Lanka similarly.

Madagascar similarly.

A bit hard to grow crops in Antarctica still and all those rabid greenies wanting to have hands off on the place would be a nusance anyway.

Cuba seems to be taken.

Puerto Rico is rabidly hostile to anything sane plus having a plethora of ET's and government types running around above ground, below ground and under the sea. Messy.

Arizona might be possible but given all the influx of elderly liberal airheads from New England plus the masses of Mexicans flooding across the border . . . increasingly less attractive.

Idaho has attractions. But given Yellowstone blowing it's cork; a huge number of LDS and no small amount of rabid militia groups--there's more than enough complications to look elsewhere.

The Mormons are well entrenched in Utah. Besides, it's supposedly going to be mostly underwater by the time geologic changes settle down.

Iceland? Fiercely protective of their status quo.

Cyprus? Might even unite the Greeks and Turks to have a 3rd group to oppose!

Greenland? Farmingly challenged unless global warming goes bannas in a big rapid way.

Nova Scotia? Pretty parochial about their status quo, too. Besides, a little too close to the Rabid Frenchies.

Methinks that just about leaves . . . let's see . . .

some corner of Amazonia . . . . Argentine or Chilean highlands

or . . . . thinking . . .

. . .

ahhhhhh

HEAVEN!

Come quickly, Lord Jesus.


33 posted on 05/24/2004 4:07:33 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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Oohh, I want my own country. I would be Benevolent Dictator For Life and I would outlaw all forms of taxation. I wouldn't want a whole state, though. Maybe a nice 800,000 acres or so with a good water supply and where it doesn't get too humid.


34 posted on 05/24/2004 4:38:29 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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"All these atrocities continue in spite of the fact that we now have the 'right' people in places of power. Indeed, the occupant of the White House is a professing Christian. The U.S. attorney general is believed to be a devout Christian. 'Conservatives' control both Houses of Congress, and Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices."


36 posted on 05/24/2004 4:50:32 AM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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A good way to start towards this goal would be to practice Christianity instead of just preaching it.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 4:53:47 AM PDT by Shut up and take it
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Burnell, a math teacher and cell-phone dealer, stresses he's not looking for bloody battles that took place in the American Revolution and the Civil War, but is rather seeking a "political divorce."

I wouldn't have thought that these Christians believed in divorce.... LOL

39 posted on 05/24/2004 5:00:43 AM PDT by horatio
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South Carolina?
Awwwww, drat. Couldn't they have picked a place with better weather (too humid) and fewer swamps?

Why not Montana or Wyoming?
(Idaho ceded to the Mormons)

C'mon guys I'm ready to go -- but West, not South.
("I" talk 'funny' down there)

41 posted on 05/24/2004 5:07:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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