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The Neoconservative Persuasion
Weekly Standard ^ | 2003 | Irving Kristol

Posted on 05/24/2004 4:42:38 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: Dane
Come to think of it, I'd love to bring as many of them along as possible.

"Hey folks, I brought the entertainment."

301 posted on 05/25/2004 3:01:55 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: inflation
That's the refutation?

Is property taxation illegal now? If defaulting on one's owed takes,and penalties laid on,when one does,is "theft",to you,then therein lies your problem.

Does your friend have a mortgage?If so,then he doesn't OWN the property to begin with!

Is he getting unemployment checks?

Has he looked for work,ANY work?

Since YOU care so much about him,why aren't you helping him monetarily?

During the Great Depression,people used to throw parties,to raise rent money/property tax money.Why not DO something like that for him?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh...Conservatives aren't supposed to be a bunch of bleeding hearts,but nobody would know that,by reading some posts here.

302 posted on 05/25/2004 3:03:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CWOJackson; churchillbuff; 21st Century Man
Our troops can't be defeated in battle, only at home

Yep and Zinni, Kerry, 60 minutes, the rest of the fifth column media, chamberlainbuff, and 21st century the space oddity, are leading that parade.

303 posted on 05/25/2004 3:04:03 PM PDT by Dane
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To: CWOJackson

If I spit on my father or my brothers, the last time I would have to worry about is some keyboard pansy like you.

BTW, my whole family has been Republican since the Civil War and not one of them thought the War in Iraq would be a good thing for US.

There are tons of military and political options available in the WOT that wouldn't have become the quagmire that Iraq has become.

Do you know the history of Iraq and it's occupiers?

"THOSE THAT IGNORE HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT"


304 posted on 05/25/2004 3:04:47 PM PDT by 21st Century Man (POLITICS: THE NEW OPIATE OF THE MASSES)
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To: 21st Century Man
You are spitting on them and their service...and you're too shallow to even understand that.

Yes, comparing you to Michael Moore is wrong...he simply a gross pig.

305 posted on 05/25/2004 3:06:00 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: 21st Century Man
We SHOULD And COULD have won the Nam War,if the anti-war nutters and the damned Dems and the blasted media hadn't undercut our efforst there!

This has less than NOTHING at all to do with " blood lust"!

306 posted on 05/25/2004 3:06:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CWOJackson

CWOJackson wrote:
Naw, if it were up to my ilk, you're ilk wouldn't have been spitting on soldiers returning from Vietnam.

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Keep up the good work jackson, -- that is real close to uncalled for personal abuse, imo.


307 posted on 05/25/2004 3:06:31 PM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: CWOJackson
RIGHT!
308 posted on 05/25/2004 3:06:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: 21st Century Man

"If I spit on my father or my brothers, the last time..."

Should have read:

"If I spit on my father or my brothers, the last thing..."


309 posted on 05/25/2004 3:06:57 PM PDT by 21st Century Man (POLITICS: THE NEW OPIATE OF THE MASSES)
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To: Dane
Did you see where Zinni worked a $150 million deal with Pakistan after he retired?

No wonder he was opposed to taking out the USS Cole attackers.

310 posted on 05/25/2004 3:06:59 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Dane
RIGHT!
311 posted on 05/25/2004 3:07:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: tpaine

tpaine wrote: kmnd cdki cdkdm cddug wiya 38js


312 posted on 05/25/2004 3:08:12 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: nopardons

You asked if he had lost his propery, I answered when that would happen.

This just happened, but the job market in this area isn't the best.

I have donated a large amount of food to them, I do not have the money to help them or I would and out church has raised some money, but it's a small church.

Conservatives ARE supposed to care for their fellow citizens, I guess you forgot that.


313 posted on 05/25/2004 3:08:12 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should not both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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To: 21st Century Man
There are tons of military and political options available in the WOT that wouldn't have become the quagmire that Iraq has become.

It's always easy for one to say that from the comfort behind a beer stained keyboard and sitting in an EZ Chair.

314 posted on 05/25/2004 3:08:55 PM PDT by Dane
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To: cyborg

I've never seen THE SWAN;just heard about it. LOL


315 posted on 05/25/2004 3:09:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: churchillbuff
Shallow puffery, to be sure. The man takes his pseudo-intellectual "persuasion" rather more seriously as a factor in political philosophy than anything in his article would suggest it capable of measuring up to. Let us take this profoundly arrogant, yet profoundly revealing statement of purpose, as an example:

Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy. That this new conservative politics is distinctly American is beyond doubt.

Note the predisposition towards "Democracy," the system Madison and the other Founding Fathers sought to guard against. And yet even in that predisposition, note the absurd contradiction. This poseur seeks to convert those of us who believe in traditional Americanism, as well as the Republican party, against our wills. That sure is Democratic! And the genius who can write such revealing commentary, just assumes of course that he is both doing us and America a favor.

The final sentence quoted further demonstrates the shallowness of Mr. Kristol as a political thinker. First of all, there is nothing Conservative about this "new conservative politics." It is duplicitous to call it that. And duplicity has been the hallmark of various forms of European politics--in each case also pretending to be much further to the right than it actually is--for over a hundred years.

First of all, consider the British Fabian Socialist movement, now running the British Government via the Labour Party under Tony Blair. Blair as his predecessors has always pretended to be far more moderate than he actually is. He like some of Mr. Kristol's admirers in America, also, refuses to protect the basic British stock--the British Nation descended from those who are responsible for English civilization, literature, science and influence--from hordes of uncongenial immigrants, still pouring into an already, long over-crowded island.

Second, consider the Nazi movement under Adolph Hitler. While he called his party "Socialist," as well as "Labour," he pretended to be of the Right. While he called for a "Classless, Casteless Society"--just as the Communists--he was basically engaged in converting the German Center and even some of the actual Right, "against their respective wills." And, he as brother Kristol, acted as though he was doing them a favor. He was saving Germany by revolutionizing its several cultures. We have all seen pictures of that benefit in the bombed out ruins. Herr Hitler was no more of the real Right than is Herr Kristol.

Europe in the days of the EU is full of phony Conservatives who do not seek to preserve, but like Mr. Kristol, seek to foist an ideology on people "against their respective wills," with varying degrees of success. Such forces of "Democracy," have all but destroyed the continuity of European culture and family values. Massachusetts, today, but apes Europe.

Anyone who has ever attended an Academy with serious intellectual pretensions, will have encountered in addition to the serious intellects that may actually be on campus, the numerous poseurs who seek to convince others of their profundity. We know the breed, Mr. Kristol represents, though not all of them are so pathetic as Mr. Kristol.

Sham Conservatism from a sham intellect!

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

316 posted on 05/25/2004 3:09:04 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: CWOJackson; tpaine
tpaine wrote: kmnd cdki cdkdm cddug wiya 38js

tpaine writes in a language called gibberish.

317 posted on 05/25/2004 3:10:49 PM PDT by Dane
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To: nopardons

It's an atrocious show where "ugly" women are secluded and not allowed to see their own reflection for months while undergoing plastic surgery,etc. When they are finally allowed to see themselves, they don't recognize themselves and from what I read so far not many are pleased. The one episode I saw, I was disgusted and turned it. Not like last night watching Colonial House and wanting to kill the atheist woman for all that whining.


318 posted on 05/25/2004 3:10:52 PM PDT by cyborg (tit for tat butter for fat hillary is ugly that's a fact)
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To: Dane

He's still trying to figure out his own last post.


319 posted on 05/25/2004 3:10:56 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: 21st Century Man
"QUAGMIRE"...and YOU have the temerity to talk about those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it and all you do is spout NAM WAR propaganda,which LOST that war for us?
320 posted on 05/25/2004 3:11:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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