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The Neoconservative Persuasion
Weekly Standard ^ | 2003 | Irving Kristol

Posted on 05/24/2004 4:42:38 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: nopardons

I'm sorry, I thought the DemoRATS got us into Vietnam (along with the Great Society) and they were the ones that held back the troops?

By the time the Vietnam anti-war protestors showed up, the war had been already lost.


321 posted on 05/25/2004 3:14:28 PM PDT by 21st Century Man (POLITICS: THE NEW OPIATE OF THE MASSES)
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To: 21st Century Man

Your "ilk" are the ones responsible for the reception "our" troops got when they returned.


322 posted on 05/25/2004 3:16:04 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: inflation
Conservatives are NOT supposed to be a bunch of whiney,bleeding hearts.

If he can't get a job,in construction,he should get a job doing something else;ANYTHING! And what about his unemployment benefits?

This just happened? "JUST HAPPENED"? Where are his savings? What about his wife working?

Good grief...if thed job market stinks where you/he live,then he needs to go where the job market is good!

What ever happened to common sense?

323 posted on 05/25/2004 3:16:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CWOJackson; churchillbuff
Okay, guys, far be it from me to break up a good flamewar, but as much as I myself suppor the war in Iraq, your little back-and-forth has been going on for over 100 posts on about five different threads now, and it's got to be the most useless waste of bandwidth I've ever seen on FR.

It's getting like a schoolyard screaming match.

Buff, I disagree with you, but i'd be mad too if I was in your shoes after this.

CWO, we've been friends for years it seems. We ALL need to act more like adults if we want to persuade people.

Like I said in #18, we pon the Right are going to lose the war AND the election if we keep at each other like jackals.

THINK PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buff, you've made your point...you oppose the war. Fine. That DOESN'T mean you have to post article after article, day after day slamming our efforts there. As a serviceman myself, I can tell you it gets discouraging. We're there now, in Iraq, and we're not going to be pulled out. So we have to win, so the troops can survive and come home. If a Democrat gets elected, and pulls us out, then no American will ever be safe at home or abroad again.

CWO, There's better ways to debate than you are here. Read your posts in sequence and I'm sure you'll see. We need to be a team now, against Kerry anyway. These battles and feuds amongst ourselves do NOTHING but make us all look ridiculous.

324 posted on 05/25/2004 3:17:44 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: CWOJackson

When my family came home from Nam, I was there at the to support them.

I never did see any protestors, only on TV.


325 posted on 05/25/2004 3:17:56 PM PDT by 21st Century Man (POLITICS: THE NEW OPIATE OF THE MASSES)
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To: cyborg
LOL...welcome to the club,re wringing the atheist woman's neck.

You going to watch CH tonight?

326 posted on 05/25/2004 3:19:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
The interstate overpass, at the Madigan Army Hospital exit, I-5, is choked with yellow ribbons put there by people who support our troops.

At the main entrance to Ft. Lewis the fences are covered in banners wishing our troops well and praying for their safe return...put there by private citizens.

Periodically, the anti-war crowd arrives to demonstrate on the over-pass, to let the troops know how their "ilk" feels about them.

The troops and their families know that the majority of us, sorry Kerry Poet but you and Michael Moore aren't the majority, support them. Still, I can't help but think it would raise their spirits even higher if we could tie some of these anti-war defeatiest scum to the overpass as a show of support.

327 posted on 05/25/2004 3:20:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Long Cut

Sorry LC...this team doesn't include those who undermine the morale and resolve of our troops.


328 posted on 05/25/2004 3:21:40 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Dane; Bozo

You and bozo can't read standard english?

Blame society.


329 posted on 05/25/2004 3:27:53 PM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: MrShoop
I find that description of neo-conservatism particularly uncompelling.

Of course, it's repugnant! It's by the Father of Neo-conservatism (and also the father of the neo with the biggest mouth .... now do you wonder how Bill came by his pomposity?).

There's nothing much conservative about it, neo-liberalism would be a more apt title! FDR and TR, indeed!

330 posted on 05/25/2004 3:27:58 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: CWOJackson; churchillbuff
I'm sorry, CWO, but for some reason, during wartime, the sight of Americans vs. Americans doesn't exactly fill me with enthusiasm. ESPECIALLY if it's conservative vs. conservative.

You support the troops like few I've ever seen. You do a great job of it, and supporting us here. You and I have engaged more trolls, pitchforkers, and other jerks here than I can count. Let's not degenerate to the level of the Moores and Streisands, huh?

Look, there's two possibilities regarding CB...

1. He's a troll;
2. He's really a conservative with serious questions about the war, which he sincerely wants to discuss.

If the answer is 1, just ignoring his posts will do the trick. If he gets ZERO responses, and is a troll, he'll leave. Responding only keeps the thread bumped.

If he's legit, he'll simply get the message that the others have had enough and quit posting the negative crap.

331 posted on 05/25/2004 3:29:46 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: nopardons
I know this is off topic, but as an aside, Mark Levin is having Tim Wood on for the whole second hour. He has the inside info on the oil for food scandal.

After watching Monica Crowley last night, I am really glad Levin took her second hour.!

332 posted on 05/25/2004 3:31:11 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: nutmeg

read later bump


333 posted on 05/25/2004 3:31:38 PM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in al-Qerry)
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To: Long Cut
I see nothing "conservative" in a constant anti-war stance, or repetitive posting of anti-war thread, such as he does.

I see nothing conservative at all in those who wrap themselves in the "true conservative" label yet actively work to undermine the war effort.

But feel free to harmonize with them.

334 posted on 05/25/2004 3:36:39 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: iconoclast

Pretty amazing how Neo-Cons can't deal with the absolute truth of the Neo-Conservatives agenda.

What's even more surprising is how they cling to this insanity even after presumably ingesting the facts.

I'd say they have a major problem with reality, just like their Neo-Con demigods.


335 posted on 05/25/2004 3:46:59 PM PDT by 21st Century Man (POLITICS: THE NEW OPIATE OF THE MASSES)
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To: CWOJackson
"But feel free to harmonize with them."

That's the last thing i'd do and you know it.

All I'm saying is, don't encourage them by engaging in pointless squabbles.

We have a President to re-elect, in the middle of a World War. His removal will herald a retreat, followed by our loss of it.

We're not helping ourselves by attacking and sniping at each other, or by using these stupid labels like "Neo-Con, or "Paleo-Con".

336 posted on 05/25/2004 3:53:35 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: churchillbuff

You're right, he's positively obsessed, and it's pushed him over the edge of reason and sanity.


337 posted on 05/25/2004 3:57:01 PM PDT by 21st Century Man (POLITICS: THE NEW OPIATE OF THE MASSES)
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To: Long Cut
Unfortunately, if you look at some of these anti-war threads, some folks, mostly newer members, actually start falling for the anti-war line. Not only that, but too often these threads are full of lies to boot. For instance, the Zinni worship threads...where they are using Zinni as a legitimate military authority to support their arguments.

Are you aware of Zinni's opposition to attack the people responsible for the USS Cole? Are you aware of the commercial deal he later brokered as a civilian with the government he had protected following the USS Cole attack?

If not I can provide you with the data.

It outrages me that these people, despite having been informed of the truth involving Zinni, even today have posted threads using him as an argument.

As for sniping and attacking "each other", most of the self proclaimed "true conservatives" are already avowed third party voters...but the lurkers may not be.

338 posted on 05/25/2004 4:01:10 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: 21st Century Man

Reason and sanity...concepts you will never understand...do yourself a favor and keep your head in the third party sand box.


339 posted on 05/25/2004 4:02:05 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: 21st Century Man
What's even more surprising is how they cling to this insanity even after presumably ingesting the facts.

DENIAL is a terrible trap. We need to come up with a twelve-step program for these poor souls. ;o)

340 posted on 05/25/2004 4:15:09 PM PDT by iconoclast
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