The Neoconservative Persuasion

Weekly Standard ^ | 2003 | Irving Kristol

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Your choice is Republican or Democrat. Which one is MORE likely to listen to your concerns about that?

And if the Left, with all its PC nonsense, were utterly defeated, as we COULD do if we all stood as one against them, wouldn't it be MORE likely to happen?

[cyborg]

AMEN

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What DIFFERENCE does it make where they are more comfortable? Politically, they are STILL more alike than either is with the Left. Having Conservatives in both places is a good thing anyway.

[churchillbuff]

I am just as sick of the likes of you as I am of the media.

I'd say the same about you - except it wouldn't be true. Unlike you, I'm not "sick" of other conservatives who don't agree with me 100 percent on every issue. I believe in free thought and the freedom to engage in independent analysis, not lockstep agreement.

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They get a lot of help from those nominally on our own side who persist in attacking THEIR OWN. How many articles have the media shat out about it lately? That's called GLOATING, not wishful thinking.

Why in the WORLD would someone on the Right wish to help them do their dirty work?

[Howlin]

Unlike you, I'm not "sick" of other conservatives who don't agree with me 100 percent on every issue.

I am not sick of conservatives who don't agree with me on every issue.

I am sick of people like you who are doing every single thing you can 24/7 to make sure John Kerry wins in November.

Don't deny it; everybody here knows it's true.

[CWOJackson]

The problem here is pat buchanan and his little flying monkey here DO want to try and fracture the Conservative vote. Fortunately, I don't think many people pay much attention to them these days...just the "true conservatives" who channel directly with the founding fathers.

Chamberlainbuff here is nothing but a Quisling.

[CWOJackson]

Evening Lord Haw Haw...your adoring fans enjoy the show.

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"I believe in free thought and the freedom to engage in independent analysis, not lockstep agreement."

FINE, Buff. But just remember who the REAL enemy is on election day.

And don't do their dirty work for them, even in good conscience.

When 9-11 happened, ALL Americans, regardless of politics, became Brothers against a common foe. Defeating that foe, and doing so politically to the Left, requires similar unity on our part.

Just let us WIN, and we can fix what ails you later, and without the Left mucking up the process.

[asmith92008]

You're telling me that the open borders, give every illegal amnesty wing of the party is not more interested in pleasing business owners than than the Americans whose wages are depressed by illegal immigrants? Or the public schools being forced to educate the children of illegals and thus harming their ability to educate the children of citizens? Or emergency rooms closing because they cannot afford to treat the illegals who flood them?

One should remember that conservatism does not simply mean a reflexive desire to please business interests. As Samuel Huntington points out in his new book, when the top 100 companies in America were asked by Ralph Nader to open their stockholders meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance, only one company (Federated Stores) responded favorably. Companies like Aetna, Ford, Motorolla and Price Costco derided the idea that they should have some special loyalty to America.

Ford and IBM once supplied Nazi Germany with materiel before we had to go to war with them. Loral sold missile technology to China. Is it class warfare or common sense to point out that business interests are not always in the national interest?

[asmith92008]

Are the "conservatives" who voted for the prescription drug benefit more like the Right than the Left? What about those who support open borders and amnesty? Or those who forced the Solicitor General to file a brief accepting "diversity" as sufficient cause to allow for racial preferences in college? Yeah, I feel real safe with those folks at my back.

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I wrote above that Buchanan wants to do exactly that, for his own aggrandizement. It's in one of the paragraphs in that rant.

But I' willing to put my money where my mouth is, and be polite to CB. That's what I'll do on my side to promote the unity we need to WIN. It goes both ways, after all.

The sniping and the fracturing has gone WAY TOO FAR at this point.

Tell you all what...let's win the freakin' election, get Republicans controlling the Senate and House, and we can deal with all the disagreements then.

Oh, and need I say that the constant infighting among US does ZERO to win the war, which very directly concerns me?

Look, I know there's bad blood all over, hell, I've even taken a chunk of flesh or two myself. But seeing the way the campaign is going lately, and understanding the implications thereof, wouldn't it be best for all America if we could take care of the main problem first, and settle the family squabbles later, at our lesiure?

I know I'm probably dreaming, but wouldn't it still be great if it WORKED?

I'd so like to see Hillary mopping floors.

[Tailgunner Joe]

If we didn't try to dictate to business owners how much they should pay their employees, then they wouldn't have to resort to employing illegals to get around the system.

The conservative wing of the party has always been opposed to placing regulations and restrictions on business.

[churchillbuff]

fracture the Conservative vote

I'm not at all persuaded that you're a conservative. Obviously you're for the invasion of Iraq, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're a conservative, because many Democrats - including Kerry - voted for the invasion.

As for traditional conservative issues, such as tax cuts, pro-life, confirmation of conservative judges, immigration control, fighting racial quotas, reducing spending, I've never seen you comment. Guess you don't car about these issues.

Translation: you're not a "conservative" by any traditional defitintion, you're just some guy who favors war in Iraq.

Have a great day!

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Everything you cite happened in large part due to the pernicious influence of Leftist Democrats who would block or destroy anything else. Defeat them, and the rest works itself out.

As long as the Republicans are forced to deal with the Left's daily bombardments, they have to compromise to get anything at all done.

If they were no longer a factor in politics, do you really think those things would have even been proposed?

Okay, some might, but they would have been defeated soundly. And there are very few on the Right who don't have to run for office who supported them...that includes neocons, libertarians, and conservatives.

[xJones]

Here's the facts...The President is a conservative leaning Republican. Is he perfect? No. However, he IS the best we can hope for in the current American political landscape.

And I will work and vote for Bush. Kerry as President would be even more amoral and scary than Clinton. His foreign policies would be disastrous. We lived through 4 years of Carter and 8 years of Clinton but in these times even 4 years of Kerry could do irreparable damage.

[churchillbuff]

I'd so like to see Hillary mopping floors.

can't disagree with you there

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I rejoice to hear it! The President DOES listen to us, you know. He hasn't brough up the amnesty proposal again, at least. He got the message.

Kerry or ANY Dim wouldn't even care.

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Unless my understanding of the US political system is seriously flawed, President Bush is the leader of the GOP and has proposed what amounts to rewarding people who have broken our laws.

Whats the answer? Well, we could force those that swear an oath to support/defend the USCON to do what they swore to do.

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If that image isn't enoug to get us to work together, and stop the damned sniping, then I don't know what is.

Although, I could pull out the image of Pelosi turning tricks on a corner for a buck a pop.