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Black Clergy Group Backs Voucher Plan for Schools (5% of the black vote on the way)
NJ.COM ^ | Tuesday, May 25, 2004 | KATHY BARRETT CARTER

Posted on 05/25/2004 6:00:22 AM PDT by frithguild

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:39:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Parents of inner-city school children locked in failing public school systems should be given school vouchers to attend private or public schools elsewhere, a coalition of black clergy leaders said yesterday.

"For the 26 years I have been in New Jersey, there have been a host of public school reform proposals, a multitude of major state Supreme Court rulings and billions of dollars spent to achieve parity and improve test scores," said the Rev. Reginald T. Jackson, executive director of the Black Ministers Council. "Yet, the fact remains, that with few exceptions, urban schools and most minority students still do not meet minimum state standards or receive a quality education," Jackson said, speaking at a news conference in Trenton.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: africanamerican; black; blackchurch; blackministers; blackvote; edreform; education; educationreform; innercity; innercityyouth; ministers; parents; schoolchoice; schools; students; voucher; voucherprogram; vouchers
Anybody hear anything from other states?
1 posted on 05/25/2004 6:00:24 AM PDT by frithguild
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To: frithguild
Wonderful!


2 posted on 05/25/2004 6:07:31 AM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: frithguild; rdb3

This may not be a popular idea among conservatives, but I've said for some time that school vouchers are not a good idea. Eventually the cure will be no better than the disease -- because these vouchers will have so many strings attached to them that we'll end up with private schools that are no better than their public counterparts.


3 posted on 05/25/2004 6:20:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: frithguild
Vouchers will make a big difference in that it will force the schools to compete for student dollars.

It's only a first step but even those children whose parents don't care will eventually benefit.

At last people speaking up for right rather than politics as usual.

4 posted on 05/25/2004 6:22:26 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: frithguild
But turning to the use of vouchers at this time would "endanger real progress"

Who says the teacher unions don't have a sense of humor?

5 posted on 05/25/2004 6:25:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Alberta's Child
Eventually the cure will be no better than the disease

This is the slippery-slope fallacy. Vouchers are a more just schooling system than the current system. The possibility of a less just schooling system arising in the future cannot be used to justify preventing the establishment of a more just schooling system now.

-- because these vouchers will have so many strings attached to them that we'll end up with private schools that are no better than their public counterparts.

This is the worst case scenario. Even in this worst case, parents will still be able to send their children to unregulated, non-voucher-redeeming private schools.

Regardless, there is reason to believe that private schools will be less vulnerable to government regulation under a voucher program than currently because under a voucher program participating parents will fight to prevent the regulation of their schools. Parents participating in the voucher program will represent a much larger interest group than the number of parents who currently send their children to private schools.

6 posted on 05/25/2004 6:33:40 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: frithguild

The Dem Party has evolved into merely an obese lump of special interests.... it makes for an inconsistent platform and interests slamming into one another harder by the day.


7 posted on 05/25/2004 7:12:47 AM PDT by Tamzee (Kerry's just a gigolo, and everywhere he goes, people know the part he's playing...)
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To: frithguild
"The governor . . . is opposed to vouchers because they divert critical education funding to help only a limited number of students"
The governor is opposed to strengthening the authority of the adults with the most responsibility for the education of "a limited number of students." He prefers that the authority (control of "critical education funding") remain with the educrats who do not have actual responsibility for the education of any child other than their own. Educrats who, likely as not, exercise their authority over their own children's education by sending them to private school rather than to the public school system.

8 posted on 05/25/2004 7:29:40 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Alberta's Child
we'll end up with private schools that are no better than their public counterparts.
That is hyperbole IMHO. If the private schools which accept vouchers are no better than public schools they will go out of business; granted that the vouchers may and, if Ted Kennedy has any say in the matter will, have undesirable strings. But the Kennedys of the world are on the defensive on the fundamental issue of ceasing to seperate responsibilty from authority in education.

When a college sends out the bills for tuition it does not address the envelope to anyone but the parents of the students, and no public school educrat is willing to pay that bill for you. And that proves that it is not the educrat but the parent who is responsible for the child's education. If the parents - especially black parents who are the bedrock support of the Democratic resistance to uniting responsibility with authority - demand to have authority commensurate with their responsibility then vouchers will come. The battle will continue on the issue of educrat regulation of voucher-supported schools, but IMHO toney private schools will continue as they have without accepting vouchers at all.


9 posted on 05/25/2004 8:24:27 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
If the private schools which accept vouchers are no better than public schools they will go out of business . . .

No, they won't. Look at what happens on the collegiate level here in the U.S. -- it is extremely rare for a school to go out of business even as the quality of education has declined substantially. What eventually happens is that the bad schools will no longer be concerned about the quality of the education and will instead channel their efforts on increasing the size of the vouchers.

If you don't believe me, just ask yourself how so many mediocre private colleges stay in business these days even as the cost of "education" at these places goes through the roof.

10 posted on 05/25/2004 8:28:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: mhking; Trueblackman

11 posted on 05/25/2004 8:18:54 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: frithguild; OldFriend

Gov. James E. McGreevey opposes vouchers. >>>>

So does Schundler and the rest of the NJ pubs, Govt. control is the new excuse.

Many are opting for tuition tax credits but I don't know how that will help the poor since they pay NO taxes or very little in taxes.


12 posted on 05/25/2004 9:39:16 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: frithguild
Rev. Clenard Childress
13 posted on 05/25/2004 10:16:42 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: frithguild
Rev. Clenard Childress
14 posted on 05/25/2004 10:16:42 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

Can you verify that Schundler is AGAINST vouchers?


15 posted on 05/26/2004 5:12:25 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: Coleus

Powerful message. I thank you.


16 posted on 05/26/2004 9:50:30 AM PDT by frithguild ("W" is the Black Ice President - underestimated until the left completely loses traction.)
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To: OldFriend

Can you verify that Schundler is AGAINST vouchers?>>

That's an easy one, Yes, I heard him say that. He is MORE in favor of Tuition Tax Credits than for vouchers.

And what I didn't hear him say was last week while he was on the show "On the Record" with Michael Aron, where he did NOT say he was pro life, another consensus builder I presume (like Murphy and Schroder), what's so hard about saying the words, "I am pro life" seems many of the republican candidates are having a hard time saying those words while those on the flip side have NO problem saying they are "pro choice". I hope Bret is still against tolls.


17 posted on 06/01/2004 12:51:51 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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