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Peaceful religion isn't spelled I-s-l-a-m: Quran verses contradicting Muslim claims
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 25, 2004 | Mychal Massie

Posted on 05/26/2004 2:17:56 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Certainly there are those within Islam who do not subscribe to the atrocities I am about to discuss, but their peaceful practice of Islam doesn't make it a peaceful religion. A peaceful religion is similar to that of Richard Gere and his Buddhist brethren.

Professor Moshe Sharon of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem writes:

Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world ... Judaism speaks about national salvation – namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world ... quoting a verse in English ... 'Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions.' The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Muslim world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam ... Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.

Consider: There are about 400 recognized terrorist groups in the world. Over 90 percent of these are Islamist groups. Over 90 percent of the current world fighting involves Islamist terror movements. The vast majority of world terrorism is religiously motivated by Islam.

This includes Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Indonesia, all of the Emirates, Sudan, Philippines, India, Libya, Algeria, Malaysia, Spain, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Jordan and, finally, what they call the "occupied territory" – Israel. Louis Farrakhan is the face of Islam in America. Is his message one of peace?

According to a recent story in WorldNetDaily, "A British Muslim convert characterized an alleged mission to bomb the Israeli embassy in Australia as his obligation to Allah to perform jihad ..." The man went on to say, "As Muslims we are obligated to perform jihad to uphold the laws of Allah, the truth on his earth."

There have been Baptists calling for Hollywood to produce programming fit for family consumption – but I cannot point to Baptists calling for Hollywood to be destroyed because it is comprised of Jews and infidels.

There exist doctrinal differences between Wesleyans, Nazarenes and charismatics – most notably on the subject of glossolalia – but I have never heard these groups refer to one another as infidels or call for annihilation. But true followers of Islam cannot make that claim.

According to Dr. Mark Gabriel ("Islam and Terrorism"), "There are 114 verses in the Quran that speak of love, forgiveness and peace (Meccan verses). All are abrogated by Sudah 9:5, known as 'The Verse of The Sword,' which came later in Muhammad's life (Medina):

Find and slay the pagans [non-Muslims] wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent [convert to Islam], and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, them open up a way for them: for Allah is oft forgiving, most merciful ...

– Surah 9:5

I cannot think of any practicing Catholics I know who would be overjoyed if their daughter married an unrepentant atheist. But I am unwaveringly confident that their priest would not call for her to be stabbed or axed to death for having brought dishonor to the family. Yet, as WorldNetDaily reported in April, that is exactly what a Muslim Jordanian man did to his 8-months pregnant sister. And a Muslim Kurd murdered his 16-year-old daughter for starting a relationship with a Lebanese Christian boy in September 2003.

WND further reported "an anthropologist's study said dozens and probably hundreds of brutal 'honor killings' of Palestinian women and girls ... annually go unreported." Such occurrences have taken place in the United States. Some may try to dismiss or argue away these examples as anecdotal, but they are anything but.

The recent beheading of Nick Berg sickened us, but this act was practiced and sanctioned by Muhammad himself.

In an article published by Barnabas Fund on May 14, "Hundreds of Christians die in bloody massacres in Kano," the Christian Association of Nigeria reported Muslim rioters had murdered 600-plus Christians and burned 12 Christian churches in one night. Pregnant women were "ripped open and their bodies burned."

In Jersey City and Newark, N.J., it wasn't Mennonites or Methodists who celebrated in the streets as 3,000-plus Americans (Muslims included) were murdered.

Every morning of every day we read and hear of atrocities committed by fanatical Muslims. Christians are commonly politicized as being hardcore and fanatical; but decapitation is not Christian theology.

Many Muslims in this country may be peaceful, but apart from the radical activities of groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, I've not heard a cacophony of their voices. But we should. After all it wasn't Mormons standing on a bridge in Fallujah shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great) while the remains of innocent mutilated Americans burned.


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KEYWORDS: dhimmi; islam; islamofascism; koran; muslims; napalminthemorning; religionofpeace; swordverse; wot
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To: Atlantic Friend
Orthodox Christians killing Catholics, Jews and Muslims to the last man, woman and children, wherever they could find them. Once again, raping, looting and killing was commonplace(ex-Yugoslavia, 1992-1994)

Again, what were those numbers? What about France's slaughter in Algeria? Or France's acts in Vietnam. And those were socialisttic French govts, hardlyChr5istian
61 posted on 05/26/2004 6:58:45 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Taxman
Sure it is -- go feed your "Islam is the religion of peace" bullsh!t to the victims of 9-11 and their survivors and see what sort of reaction you get.

The victims of 9/11 were a minuscule drop in the ocean, 10s of thousands get killled by slammies each year in the Sudan, Nigeria, indonesia, pakistan, the Phillipines, etc.
62 posted on 05/26/2004 6:59:59 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Taxman; LadyDoc
As far as I am concerned, anyone in America who believes that "Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion" can move to a Muslim country today. They will find out very quickly how "peaceful" their Islamic brothers and sisters are, particularly if they wish to practice any other religion!

ping on that.
63 posted on 05/26/2004 7:00:27 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: BayouCoyote
but I have read the ko-rap and see what they want us to become

Exactly! The Ko-rap is one pyscho book, the work of a madman.
64 posted on 05/26/2004 7:01:19 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Yes it can - as it once was.

When? Where? In conquered lands where non-muslims were made to be slaves?

You would have a point if:

1. You could point out examples of islamic countries today that are full of peace and tolerance. But there are none. When islam takes over, non mulsims are brutally crushed. Turkey may be the best example except they ban islamic parties from running for or holding political office.

2. At no time in the history of islam has islam been "peaceful." Even its very beaconing was one of conquests and brutality.

I know it is hard to believe, but at one point in history, the countries of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Turkey and Iraq had large populations of Christians. These countries were peacefully converted to Christianity by word of mouth.

They were conquered by Muslim armies (along with all of North Africa and Spain) and forcibly converted to Islam by the sword (conversion or death).

The spread of Islam has always been an armed invasion.

Muslims were sometimes welcomed by the Christian population because those populations were considered heretics for their beliefs and under threat of death by the Catholic Church. But as time went on more and more restrictions were heaped on the "Dhimmis or non-muslims", and, although technically regarded as "People of the Book" and permitted to practiced their religion in private, unlike other faiths which were given the alternative of death or conversion, Dhimmis suffered cruel discrimination. They couldn't participate in government, they were forbidden to carry arms, they couldn't testify against a Muslim, the could be enslaved while a Muslim could not, they could not make improvements on the exterior of their churches or synagogues, they had to wear a distinguishing badge marking them as Dhimmis, they couldn't practice their religion in public, they were forbidden under pain of death from converting or attempting to convert Muslims, and were subjugated to the same periodic pograms Jews in Europe enjoyed.

In today's Wahhabist Saudi Arabia, other religions, even other forms of Islam, are simply and totally forbidden. So things have hardly improved.

65 posted on 05/26/2004 7:01:32 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: LadyDoc

Islam was born in violence and has spread only through violence. The conversion rate TO Islam from other belief systems is only 2-3% of Muslims, maybe less.

You need to wake up.


66 posted on 05/26/2004 7:02:10 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: Atlantic Friend
Are you going to say these never took place ?

Are you going to say that these acts were the norm or ARE the norm? and then are you going to tell me slammie attacks are NOT the norm? Look at Saudi A, Yemen, Kuwait, Egypt, etc. where to convert is to die. Is that true in Croatia, Serbia, Germany, etc?
67 posted on 05/26/2004 7:02:48 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: 2banana
beaconing = beginnings
68 posted on 05/26/2004 7:05:15 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Cronos; Atlantic Friend

I agree Cronos. Nazis weren´t Christian, they wanted to replace religion with their pseudo-ancient-Germanic-roots-cult. They actually tolerated Christians in very small areas of society, true Christians (not the "German Christs Organisation") were watched by the Gestapo and many of them have been arrested (and killed in KZ´s, just like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the most prominent victim).
While in todays Germany ceremonial services for VIPs are held on big state events* (just like the election of a new President last Sunday), the Nazis did no such things. They never honored God, they only honored the Führer.
I´m not sure, but I doubt that the oath soldiers and officials had to swear ended with "So help me God." as it does today*.

*Note: since there´s freedom of religion no state official, soldier or politician has to say "So help me God." or attend to services. But it´s very common to do so.


69 posted on 05/26/2004 7:05:35 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: LadyDoc
Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion.

Actually Islam is hate-filled screed that stress fear of Allah. Love, the central theme of Christianity is never mentioned. There is no free-will in Islam, destiny is predetermined by Allah the sadist God, that damns 999 out of 1000 people to hell, which is vividly described in verse after verse, while they are still in the womb. Martyrdom for Allah is therefore about the only way to get to "Heaven". Islamic heaven consists of wanton debauchery and indiscriminate sexual perversion.

There is no similiarity between the Koran and the Hebrew bible. Mohammad plagarized certain stories but they are twisted, often violently, into nonsense.

You are operating under the misrepresentations of the clueless Western media and the deliberately deceptive Muslim propoganda, see my post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141875/posts?page=16#16

For the full truth about Islam from an expert see here:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net

Islam is evil, inspired by Lucifer and dedicated to the subjection of this world. We are not fighting 1 billion people, we are fighting an evil idealogy that has enslaved over a billion people, the most evil idealogy I would argue. Communism and Fascism are drops in the bucket compared to Islam.

70 posted on 05/26/2004 7:05:40 AM PDT by kjvail
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To: Atlantic Friend
the most heinous crimes are committed by people who disguise their earthly ambitions and personal prejudice behind religious or patriotic color

True, that is what Mo did. And Mo created his own cult to create his empire.
71 posted on 05/26/2004 7:06:48 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend

That was Mosaic Law. Christ ended the Mosaic Law. Christians do not follow the Mosaic Law (Old Testament books of law) but rather follow the law of Christ (Teachings in New Testament.


72 posted on 05/26/2004 7:07:39 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: Cronos
I said a Christian nation, because it was Christians who elected the Nazis to power. Christians, who lived under this state. Some protested and got jailed or executed, most watched passively, and some actively helped. The same thing happened in France - some Catholics went into the resistance, most watched passively, and some actively helped the Nazis tracking the Jews.

Look, I really don't like it anymore than you, and I don't get any perverse pleasure out of it, but these are facts. I can assure you that to me, it will never excuse or atone any present or future attacks on Christian. I'm just saying we Christians should also see the straw in our eye and make sure we don't make the same mistakes.
73 posted on 05/26/2004 7:07:42 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: LadyDoc
Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion.

No, Islam is the posthumous remains of a seventh century personality cult that was used to cover the the savage and bloody sins of the conqueror Mohammed.

If Mohammed was alive today we'd have no trouble identifying him as a tyrant and a terrorist.

Islam is terroristic and tyrannical at its root, and that will never change.

Terror and savagery are the inevitable fruits of such a tree, and ripen faithfully in their seasons.


74 posted on 05/26/2004 7:08:33 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Atlantic Friend
The true message of religion is, in my own and humble opinion and as I see it, to give people and society a higher goal, and to reveal what's good within us. Christianity is not a religion of hatred, it is supposed to be a religion of love. Is it presently taught as such ? Yes, definitely. Was it always taught like that ? Sorry, but no.

Religion is to bring us closer to God. You're right, Christianity is a religion of love. Was it always taught like that. YES.

Even during theCrusades when Christians were trying to save fellow Christianns from slammmies, was christianity taught as a religion of Hate? NO.

Don't falll for hte lies. Christianitry has always condemned violence.
75 posted on 05/26/2004 7:09:12 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend
as it once was.

WHEN?????
76 posted on 05/26/2004 7:09:55 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Absolutely - these things are not the central message, and Christianty is not about burning people alive because they committed incest or stoning unruly children to death to prove they should respect their father.

Now you get it. That is NOT the central message of Christianity. But is "Killl the infidels" the central message of Mo? YES.

Question -- have you read the Koran?
77 posted on 05/26/2004 7:10:54 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend
You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians. Does that make Christianty a criminal religion ? Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?

Name any atrocity committed by self-described Christians, and you will not only fail to find that atrocity supported by the words of Christ, you will likely find the atrocity condemned by His words.

Now, try that excercise with Mohammedan atrocities and the words of Mohammed.

Start with my tagline. Think: Nicholas Berg.


78 posted on 05/26/2004 7:13:13 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Cronos

I will say that, yes, they WERE the norm. And I will say the AREN'T the norm ANYMORE.

As for ex-Yugoslavia, take your pick if you want horror stories.


79 posted on 05/26/2004 7:13:59 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Cronos

As a matter of fact, yes, even if that was a few years ago. What about you ?


80 posted on 05/26/2004 7:15:46 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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