Minnesota CCW: Law enforcers brace for change in gun culture

St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | May. 28, 2003 | LISA DONOVAN

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[agitator]

Cops panic mongering over being equal. What a country.

[Monty22]

Their system of concealed or not is awesome. Texas could use that.

[eno_]

"The cops in this region of the country don't fear an armed populace. Say you're stopped and you've got a gun in the car — (you say) 'I've got a permit, I've got a .45,' and then you're going to put your hands on the dash."

Wow, you mean mutual respect means less fear? Maybe they can try that up in Minnesota, ya think?

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Another anniversary story from a lazy journal.

[eno_]

In New Hampshire, unconcealed carry does not require a permit. In Vermont, no permit needed for any possesion of a gun.

[Monty22]

As more people carry guns and see the benefits, I'm hoping that the 'right to keep and bear arms' will return to its real meaning. Concealed or not.

[Billthedrill]

"We worked on a couple of new scenarios with rookies handling car stops with permit holders, where someone says, 'I have a gun and I have a permit' and you're (the trooper) standing outside their car door. What do you do? I don't have the answer," said Sgt. Al Freng, with the State Patrol's training academy.

Al, if you really don't have the answer you need to take up flower arrangement for a living. It isn't as if the LEOs of 38 other states haven't addressed this situation.

All of this "sky is falling" nonsense occurs every time the anti-gun nazis lose a round. They keep saying the streets are going to run red with blood...but it never seems to happen. Doesn't stop 'em from bleating, though, does it?

[jdege]

The State Patrol is working on a policy that will guide its troopers through a traffic stop.

"Working"? The law has been in effect for a year.

Clearly they aren't pulling over permit holders very often.

[CPOSharky]

Looks like these cops have not bothered to look at any of the states that already have concealed and/or open carry much less the states that do not require permits.

(Oh my God, I saw a gun, call 911!)

[longtermmemmory]

It may come as a surprise, too, that the law does not require a permit holder to conceal the weapon, and that may generate more 911 calls, St. Paul Police Chief William Finney predicts.

WRONG, in part. You don't need a permit to carry OPENLY. Its a CONCEALED carry permit, not a CARRY permit.

What are these elected chiefs real problem? fear that crime may go down? Citizens may feal re-empowered and not beholding to police?

Every state that has CCW has had a decrease in crime.

[stylin_geek]

Same in AZ. And the law, in AZ, is broad enough to allow conceal/carry in a car, without a permit, providing the gun is in a holster.

[jdege]

WRONG, in part. You don't need a permit to carry OPENLY. Its a CONCEALED carry permit, not a CARRY permit.

Minnesota law does not distinguish between open and concealed carry.

There are some states that allow open carry without a permit, and require a permit for concealed carry.

Minnesota is not one of these.

It's against the law to carry without a permit, whether open or concealed. And if you have a permit, it's legal, both open and concealed.

[longtermmemmory]

Then it should be called a carry permit not a CCW if there is a distinction.

[jdege]

It's called a "Permit to Carry a Pistol". There's nothing on the permit or in the law that says anything about "concealed".

The local media has been corrected on this many times, but it doesn't seem to stick.

[Hardastarboard]

G-d, no kidding. The guy tells you he's armed and has a permit so you know about in advance, and you don't know how to react? Agreed, take up flower arranging, or maybe get a job at Krispy Kreme. And make sure they don't make you do any of that stressful counter work.

[longtermmemmory]

ahhh, yet again FR provides better information than the media alone.

[JudgemAll]

AH, shucks, any wish means a threat, and the wish for cops to not have to work hysterical callers who are false witnessing is just such a threat against law abiding citizens.

Carry a gun, and no one will wish anything on you, and threatless peace will reign.

[gripper]

here in the Peoples Republic of Massghanistan,we've been fighting a lonely scrap for a LONG time(Ch180);but there is yet a glimmer of hope.The state senate released from committe a number of partial reforms.Still an uncertain outcome and a long ,bruising fight to be expected,but we may YET get out from under the "discretion"of our "betters".