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Minnesota CCW: Law enforcers brace for change in gun culture
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | May. 28, 2003 | LISA DONOVAN

Posted on 05/28/2004 12:59:23 PM PDT by jdege

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To: jdege
Seems like CCW holders should get a tax break. After all, its the unarmed sheep that keep begging for a police state.

Let them pay for it.

21 posted on 05/28/2004 2:18:32 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Monty22

Texas doesn't have open-carry?

AZ does, but I don't think it's usually a good idea to let everyone know that I am armed.


22 posted on 05/28/2004 2:33:19 PM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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Nope, until Bush signed the CHL law here in the mid 90's, it was impossible to carry at all in Texas.


23 posted on 05/28/2004 2:35:21 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22

In AZ we need a permit for concealed carry, but anyone who can own a gun can carry openly. I see it at least once a week.

Whenever I am in a checkout line behind some guy wearing a pistol on his belt, though, I think about how easy it would be to just hit him with a bottle and take the weapon. That's why I stick with CCW unless I am going to the range.


24 posted on 05/28/2004 2:39:30 PM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: jdege

They should get used to it. Armed people are free people.


25 posted on 05/28/2004 2:39:36 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: wingnutx

I'd prefer concealed or open. Should be your choice I think, and probably have licenses for both.. One license to do either at your discretion.

Then eventually phase out licensing at all.


26 posted on 05/28/2004 2:41:42 PM PDT by Monty22
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"We worked on a couple of new scenarios with rookies handling car stops with permit holders, where someone says, 'I have a gun and I have a permit' and you're (the trooper) standing outside their car door. What do you do? I don't have the answer," said Sgt. Al Freng, with the State Patrol's training academy.

Typical teacher, ignorant and unprepared for real life. And yet, put in charge of teaching others how to deal with the real world.

27 posted on 05/28/2004 2:52:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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I see no reason to tell the officer anything. Common sense tell you don't make sudden moves, keep your hand in plain view at all times. Besides police are taught to assume everyone is armed regardless.


28 posted on 05/28/2004 3:18:19 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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The usual advice from trainers in MN is that you should answer truthfully if asked by an LEO, since this is required by law. And that if you're going to do something that would reveal your gun, like reaching for your wallet, you should inform an LEO in advance. And that after that, you'll have to decide for yourself.


29 posted on 05/28/2004 4:17:23 PM PDT by jdege
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hanging on their hip like the cowboys used to,"

I think he meant to say: "hanging on their hip like the police do"

30 posted on 05/28/2004 4:22:03 PM PDT by antaresequity (This is not the "War on Terror"...we don't fight tactics.)
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To: jdege

sound advice


31 posted on 05/28/2004 4:44:23 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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""The law doesn't say they have to be concealed, it says it could be on or about their person, so you're going to have people carrying their pistol in a holster, hanging on their hip like the cowboys used to," Finney said. "We're anticipating more people carrying a gun — partially concealed or concealed, and they're going to be some other people out there seeing this and feel their safety is threatened and they're going to call police."


32 posted on 05/28/2004 7:09:49 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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To: wingnutx
AZ does, but I don't think it's usually a good idea to let everyone know that I am armed.

I personally believe that the tactical advantages of concealed carry (low profile, and hidden from view) outweigh those of open carry (faster draw and a possible deterrence).

However, there are also 'political and social' ramifications that should be considered.

If more people open carried, then the police and general public would be far more acclimated to the concept of an armed public. This makes it more difficult to pass gun control, and it increases the number of people that are exposed to the gun culture, in a positive fashion.

33 posted on 05/28/2004 9:24:12 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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"We worked on a couple of new scenarios with rookies handling car stops with permit holders, where someone says, 'I have a gun and I have a permit' and you're (the trooper) standing outside their car door. What do you do? I don't have the answer," said Sgt. Al Freng, with the State Patrol's training academy.

How about this:

1) Stop acting as tax collectors for the state, and only make stops when you have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that a *real* crime has been committed.

2) Stop acting like wimps. A Free people have every Right to be armed, and the sight of an armed American should not be reason for cops to be afraid. Unless they just committed a felony or are strung out on drugs, it shouldn't matter if they are armed or not.

34 posted on 05/28/2004 9:28:04 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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Well, we need to change all gun laws in this country (esp. California) with the 18,000+ suspected al quaeda operatives in this country illegally. So many of our military is overseas, our borders are wide open, And we must be able to protect ourselves. Our Congress, has failed to protect us. Quite frankly, I am a little afraid of guns, because too many hot heads and medicated people around, but I would like to protect my family in an emergency situation.


35 posted on 05/28/2004 9:37:27 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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And we must be able to protect ourselves

California's gun laws do suck, but if you live in a rural county with a decent sheriff, you can probably get a carry permit.

And if you can get one, there are very few places in CA that are "off-limits" for carrying. That's probably the only area where CA gun laws are actually better than those is most states (other states have far more "off-limit" places).

36 posted on 05/28/2004 10:07:54 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mulder

Being buddies with the local cops is no way to run a system.


37 posted on 05/28/2004 10:09:57 PM PDT by Monty22
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Iowa is like that, too. It depends on the Sheriff. In the most populated county it used to be virtually impossible to get a carry permit. They were only issued to the Sheriff's buddies; or possibly if you could prove a VERY good reason.

Hw finally retired, and we have a new Sheriff who has a "will issue" attitude. If you don't have a criminal background, he will approve your permit. Notable...because he is a staunch DEM. Surprising, huh?

38 posted on 05/28/2004 10:46:41 PM PDT by garandgal
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Notable...because he is a staunch DEM. Surprising, huh?

Even the dems are starting to realize that being for gun control is a quick way to lose an election.

39 posted on 05/28/2004 11:09:03 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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Even the dems are starting to realize that being for gun control is a quick way to lose an election.

When he was campaigning, I heard him on radio talk shows several times. He was very vague about his leanings as far as permits; I actually thought he would be just as tough as the old Sheriff (his boss).

Once he was elected, it was immediately clear that he completely supports the right of citizens to carry. I think he hid his true inclinations so that his "base" wouldn't sit home. I hope he is re-elected; I swear he is to the right of some "Republicans" on the issue...and frankly, for Sheriff, it's about the only issue that matters. I'm sure he's really annoyed some of his Democrat base.

I can't believe I just said that I hoped a "D" would be re-elected. That's a first, and probably, a last.

40 posted on 05/28/2004 11:28:43 PM PDT by garandgal
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