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Governor (Schwarzenegger) repeats backing for license bill
Mercury News ^ | 5/28/04 | Andrew LaMar

Posted on 05/28/2004 1:19:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday renewed his support for granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants -- if security issues can be resolved.

The governor's pledge in a private meeting with Latino legislators appeared to ease their concerns. They had feared Schwarzenegger had reneged on a promise to negotiate new legislation to replace a law he pushed the Legislature to repeal last fall.

It's clear ``there is a willingness to try to find a compromise that is acceptable to both sides,'' said Sen. Deborah Ortiz, D-Sacramento.

It's uncertain how quickly Schwarzenegger and the legislators can reach a deal, and how committed the governor is to resolution.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; backing; calgov2002; cedillo; illegals; licensebill; repeats; schwarzenegger

1 posted on 05/28/2004 1:19:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: *calgov2002; california

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2 posted on 05/28/2004 1:19:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hmm, think I could go to any other nation as an illegal immigrant and get a driver's license???


3 posted on 05/28/2004 1:21:10 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Time to warm up the Referendum Wagon.


4 posted on 05/28/2004 1:22:09 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: NormsRevenge

There must be something about the air in Sacramento that makes you tonedeaf to the citizenry. If those idiots pass another bill like that, we're going to referend that dude faster than they can blink. And Schwarzenegger is going to see his popularity take a sharp drop. I'm just wondering if they're actually stupid enough to try this before the November elections.


5 posted on 05/28/2004 1:26:08 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: NormsRevenge

Any such law will be suspended by a voter initiative, and overturned in the very next election. Arnold is making a big mistake pandering to the Aztlan traitors.


6 posted on 05/28/2004 1:27:09 PM PDT by Defiant (Moore-On: That rush of excitement felt by a liberal when America is defeated.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

I second that. Have you checked out the governors plan for the abolition of property rights in California? He starts by appointing "land use planners" to the Coastal Commission, who basically believe that the state should control all planning and development on the coast, then he will approve the Sierra Nevada Conservancy, a plan to put the control of land use and private property for 20 counties unconstitutionally into the hands of 10 appointed (not elected) board members. These board members will be able to control "working" property, like private timber, mines, ranching and farming, and control the water. They will allow conservation groups to identify properties that are "state treasures" and only give the owners 45 days to respond to the conservancy aquisition plan.

In short, this man will be as much of a disaster as Gray Davis was for California citizens and their rights.


7 posted on 05/28/2004 1:28:36 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: So Cal Rocket

What is it these politcians dont understand about the word ILLEGAL? NO Drivers licenses for illegals, deport them..and let them come into my country legally...


8 posted on 05/28/2004 1:28:47 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: John Jorsett
What difference does it make, hell you can even remove him from office but the ignorant majority of the voters out there WANT a RINO.

Remember Party before Principle. It's the new deal. Raw deal that is!

9 posted on 05/28/2004 1:31:36 PM PDT by Area51 (RINO Hunter, Big Time.)
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To: John Jorsett

The elites are responding to international pressures. You see, in the United States there is no national issue, only international issues. Migrant labor is a favorite issue of the internationalists, it is required when our president signs the FTAA that migrants are allowed to move at will in and out of the US and be granted the same privilege as the nationals. I am not making this up, this language is in the FTAA and in the international working groups that create the framework for _our_ national policy to deal with illegals. That is why you see the push to give them drivers licenses, social security and also in some states, the right to vote.


10 posted on 05/28/2004 1:32:10 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: NormsRevenge

There was a petition circulating during late 2003 and early 2004 that would of repealed the original illegal dirver license bill. It was gaining a lot of momentum until the law was repealed by the State house and the petition was stopped. I guessed we were suckered punch. I hope another petition is started that will repeal this upcoming law and insert a provision in to the state constitution preventing any such laws from being passed in the future.


11 posted on 05/28/2004 1:32:50 PM PDT by mkj6080
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To: NormsRevenge

So much for Terminator 4 making money ... this guy is shooting himself in the foot faster than a raghead with an auto AK-47 pointed at his toes.


12 posted on 05/28/2004 1:32:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: NormsRevenge
If Arnold signs a bill allowing illegals to get a drivers license, Arnold's high polling numbers are going to tank in a hurry.
13 posted on 05/28/2004 1:42:20 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: NormsRevenge


No pact yet on license bill

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/ca/story/9453448p-10377506c.html

Democrats, who control the Legislature, say they will send the legislation to the governor, even if the two sides cannot reach agreement and he vetoes it.


14 posted on 05/28/2004 1:48:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Okay, then I'll renew my comment that granting illegals the right to US documents, whether a driver's license or any other, reduces the difference between a US Citizen and the citizens of another nation.

This is wrong and Schwarzenegger is just a big an idiot for supporting it, as any yahoo democrat who would gladly do the same thing.

The message to the governor should be loud and clear. No damn way!

BTW, while we're on the subject, we have a president which I'll probably vote for who is deralect in his duty on this topic.

Bush, get of your ass and do something about this terrorist threat, illegal immigration!


15 posted on 05/28/2004 2:00:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: NormsRevenge

I promised I wouldn't say "I told you so," so I won't. (not you personally, Norm)


16 posted on 05/28/2004 2:02:23 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Dead taglines. I see dead taglines...)
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To: mkj6080
There was also a voter drive to trash the Worker Comp system and when it appeared it would make the ballot Arnold and the Boyz in the "Hood" whipped up a sham bill to take the steam out of the drive. It "may save" 30% on premiums that have risen 400% in three years...
17 posted on 05/28/2004 6:03:41 PM PDT by tubebender (A tag line is nothing more and nothing less than a tag line...)
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To: Defiant
Arnold is making a big mistake pandering to the Aztlan traitors.

Pandering implies a lie. I don't think Schwarzenegger is pandering. I think Schwarzenegger really sees this as a righteous decision.

I'm shaking my head. Not at the populous. They're a generally a politically ignorant sort. I'm shaking my head at those who should have known better but got caught up in the moment.

18 posted on 05/28/2004 6:12:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: tubebender
It "may save" 30% on premiums that have risen 400% in three years...

The Legislative Analyst estimated a 3% reduction in premiums in the coming fiscal year.

19 posted on 05/28/2004 6:16:16 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

Garamendi came out with a 21% figure but I think over this and next year.


20 posted on 05/28/2004 7:17:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: Amerigomag
Garamendi: Workers' compensation insurance rates should drop

Published 12:27 pm PDT Friday, May 28, 2004

[Updated at 4:35 p.m.] Setting a benchmark test for two years of cost-cutting legislation, Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi called Friday for workers' compensation insurance rate cuts of nearly 21 percent starting July 1. "California is now on the down escalator," Garamendi said at a door factory in North Highlands. "Now insurance companies have no reason whatsoever not to pass on to the businesses of California a 20.9 percent reduction in the cost of claims and their premiums."

Garamendi held a news conference to announce a new pure premium advisory rate, a benchmark that many workers' comp insurers use in setting the cost of their policies.

His suggested cut is based on two years of legislation designed to curb skyrocketing increases in workers' comp insurance prices and is aimed at policies sold or renewed starting July 1.

21 posted on 05/28/2004 7:20:28 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Become a FR Monthly Donor ... Kerry thread archive @ /~normsrevenge)
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To: FairOpinion; Carry_Okie
So, I guess he is in favor of it then. Some quotes from the link you posted:
But Thompson said the Republican governor - an Austrian immigrant - remains committed to the legislation, provided his concerns are met.

Thompson declined to speculate on whether the governor will deal with the legislation this year, but she added that Schwarzenegger is "an eternal optimist." "It's not a matter of timing," she said. "It's a matter of getting the policy right."

Thompson said the administration has been talking with security experts "to make sure that we can adequately address the issue of background checks."

"These are very complicated issues," she said. "(We) want to make sure that we ensure that public safety is enhanced throughout the process."


22 posted on 05/28/2004 7:26:13 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge; So Cal Rocket; John Jorsett; Defiant; hedgetrimmer; mkj6080
Just a reminder regarding the referendum response to possible passage of this legislation. If it is passed under urgency provisions, under the guise of national security by way of background checks, it becomes law as soon as it is signed by the governor.

Referendum would not be an option in that case. Last time around, as non-urgency legislation, a period of months intervened between Gray Davis signing the bill and the legislation becoming law. So it was possible to stop it from taking effect.

In the event this came to pass, thousands of licenses could be granted before the law was overthrown and the licenses invalidated. Imagine the momentum this could give to similar movements in other states.

Ron Prince has said he will organize another run at getting an initiative on the ballot to deny illegals taxpayer funded services, including driver licensing. The last effort foundered as an on line only enterprise which was launched hurriedly and without sufficient funds to pay signature gatherers.

For the next try Prince will concentrate on fund raising which will just about guarantee a place on the ballot but it will be a 2006 ballot.

We can take some small consolation in all of these possibilities by imaging how long it will take the Department of Motor Vehicles to get up to speed. That's just the beginning, background checks of any kind will take time. Imagine the Mexican bureaucracy in motion. It will be costly as well. Then there's the rumors that will circulate regarding the licensing being a sham to get illegals' vital information so they can be rounded up and shipped out.

Interesting times in a country that is supposed to be founded on the rule of law. Citizens must bend over backward to fulfill the requirements of the law while those who flout the law need only show up.

23 posted on 05/28/2004 8:00:54 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: NormsRevenge
Garamendi came out with a 21% figure but I think over this and next year

With all due respect Norm the article doesn't support the comment.

Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi called Friday for workers' compensation insurance rate cuts of nearly 21 percent starting July 1..

John Garamendi may wish rates would go down by 20% and he may call for rates to go down by 20% but he can't make rates go down by 20%.

The greatest impact on curbing growing workers comp rates was due to changed guidelines from the Davis administration which took effect in January. Specifically, beginning in January, the state restricted the fees that surgery centers can charge in workers' compensation claims.

The legislation that Schwarzenegger championed will have little effect on premiums. It was correctly surmised as an effort by the governance to head off substantial reform at the ballot box in November.

24 posted on 05/28/2004 8:07:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: concentric circles
If Schwarzenegger signs the proposed legislation I see it as a call to arms. Sooner or later you have to draw a line in the sand and stand tall.

If Schwarzenegger and other liberals keep handing the keys to the asylum to the inmates, the staff will soon become inconsequential. If Schwarzenegger and the other liberals keep giving Mexico's poor the reigns of power through legitimizing their growing swarm soon the rest of us will have to make a difficult decision. Fight or flee.

Why the hell should either I or my family who have resided peacefully and productively in California for over 100 years turn the place over to Mexico's poor? Unlike Texas, Mexico has no great historic claim to California.

25 posted on 05/28/2004 8:19:20 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: concentric circles
Just a reminder regarding the referendum response to possible passage of this legislation. If it is passed under urgency provisions, under the guise of national security by way of background checks, it becomes law as soon as it is signed by the governor.

While that's a theoretical possibility, it requires a two-thirds vote of the legislature, which mean 6 Assembly Republicans and 2 Senate Republicans have to vote for it. KFI radio questioned every single Republican member of both bodies, and every one of them said that they'd never vote for an urgency provision under any circumstances. Maybe Schwarzenegger could influence some of them, but I doubt he'd be able to get enough. The political firestorm that would result would be enormous, and our new governor is a good example of what happens when the people get that upset.

26 posted on 05/29/2004 7:01:45 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Amerigomag
"Mexico has no great historic claim to California"

Frankly it doesn't need one, the majority of voters in California and the Feds, abdicating their charter to secure the borders, are doing it anyway.

Of all the sad things I have seen happen the willful, nay, gleeful, turning over of the US to illegals is without a doubt the saddest of them all. No one in gubbermint seems to give a spit about it only looking at their selfish short term success. Oh, there are a few lone voices, but they are very, very alone.

27 posted on 05/29/2004 7:12:13 AM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: Proud_texan
Oh, there are a few lone voices, but they are very, very alone.

I think there would be a few more if the Azatlan myth were debunked.

Through 300 years of European influence/visitation Mexico had some control of a small part of California (4 forts and 17 small secularized ranches along the coast) for 11 years and they claim it as their's. Only a woefully ignorant Mexican nationalist could rationalize a legitimate claim to any part of California based on its history.

It would be even more incredulous for an educated US citizen to have any sympathetic stance with regard to the claim much less allow some latitude in dealing with the arriving hordes through a misguided, vague feeling of having committed past wrongs.

28 posted on 05/29/2004 8:56:11 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: FairOpinion
Why would he veto it if he is in favor of it?

What if he is sent the version he is looking for?

29 posted on 05/29/2004 8:59:29 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He isn't going to be sent a version he is looking for.


30 posted on 05/29/2004 9:31:14 AM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: nickcarraway
"It's uncertain how quickly Schwarzenegger and the legislators can reach a deal, and how committed the governor is to resolution."

The Dems are pushing it, Arnold is going through the motions, but he'll be happy to keep "negotiating" for the next 50 years -- in the meantime, NO BILL.

31 posted on 05/29/2004 9:33:24 AM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

Can we risk that?


32 posted on 05/29/2004 10:49:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion
Why should he accept any version of the bill?
33 posted on 05/29/2004 10:49:42 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

What I don't understand is why some people here are focusing their ire on Schwarzenegger, instead of the Democrats, who are the ones who are pushing this.

So far Arnold had the Legislature repeal the bad bill and he hasn't gone along with any Dem suggestions.


34 posted on 05/29/2004 10:52:49 AM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: nickcarraway

There isn't going to be any version that's acceptable to Arnold.


35 posted on 05/29/2004 10:54:22 AM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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