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Gibson To Cause More Controversy?
IMDb.com ^ | 6-2-04

Posted on 06/02/2004 5:04:07 PM PDT by Paul Atreides

Mel Gibson's forthcoming film about Britain's warrior queen Boudicca is guaranteed to cause fury amongst feminists and historians, experts predict. Folklorists believe Gibson - whose controversial The Passion Of The Christ movie sparked uproar among Jewish groups this year - faces widespread criticism in his efforts to bring Boudicca to the big screen, because she remains an enigma to historians. Scholars are also convinced feminists will attack Gibson if he fails to portray Boudicca as the icon they have turned her into. Folklorist Dr Juliette Wood, "Take any figure where there's been emotional investment and you're going to annoy someone. We know so little about her and yet she has been turned into a meta-historical icon."


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KEYWORDS: boudicca; melgibson; movies
Screech away, feminazis!
1 posted on 06/02/2004 5:04:08 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Paul Atreides
... guaranteed to cause fury amongst feminists ....

She and her daughters were supposedly outraged by the Romans ... and since rape is one of the sacraments of feminism, I'd imagine they like her.

2 posted on 06/02/2004 5:07:21 PM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: Agnes Heep

Who the heck cares about Boudica? This is just left wing tar and feathering. Passion didn't lead to ANY anti-semetism, but now we will forever hear how Gibson outraged "Jewish groups" and that his next project is just as "wrong." Oy. I predict next they will go back in time and find more things wrong with all his earlier films.


3 posted on 06/02/2004 5:16:49 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Paul Atreides

Within the space of a year, Gibson has become independent film's most interesting director.


4 posted on 06/02/2004 5:18:31 PM PDT by Rocko (Michael Moore: "Dude, I'm a hypocrite.")
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To: Paul Atreides
Boudicca (AD 62)What do we really know of this great British Queen of ancient Britain?

Gotta love redheads.

5 posted on 06/02/2004 5:19:13 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over our Military men and women who serve to keep us free.)
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To: Paul Atreides

I hope he does!


6 posted on 06/02/2004 5:19:22 PM PDT by k2blader (Why isn't Social Security voluntary? Think about it.)
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To: Paul Atreides

Oh, wow, cool! Chariot battles!


7 posted on 06/02/2004 5:20:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("It's only important for me to know!" (Gen. Patton)
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To: Paul Atreides

Boy, I hope he includes the part where she crucified the women and girls of London, lining the crosses along the banks of the Thames to rot. It's called Lady Bank to this day.


8 posted on 06/02/2004 5:26:17 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Paul Atreides

What's so special about Boudicca? She's more or less a footnote in history.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 5:26:20 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Paul Atreides

Take any figure where there's been emotional investment and you're going to annoy someone.

Hmmm, I think Mel is onto a real money making formula. Irritate a liberal group and roll in the dough as they go ape, LOL.

It's been working great for Limbaugh for years.

10 posted on 06/02/2004 5:27:32 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Paul Atreides
Boudicca has an interesting name. Assuming the Romans spelled her name out phonetically, the way they heard it, what we have here is a name that is also a title.

To start with, it begins with a special prefix "Bo". It has the very same meaning as the "Mac", "Mc", and "O'" found in names vastly more familiar to modern times.

However, it's use as an honorific was pretty much confined to the language spoken in ancient Brittain. Some Welsh (Cymmru) names use it. It's still pretty common in Brittany where it appears as "Bois" in hundreds of "dit names".

By the way, "Bo" does not mean "boy", an erroneous translation frequently found in Irish and Scottish tracts on the subject. It's much more like LORD/LADY when in the name of a tribal leader.

The second part of the good queen's name follows immediately after the honorific "Bo". That's "ud", or "ad" (as it might be derived in one of the alternative spellings "Boadicea").

This second part of her name is clearly the ancient British (and modern Welsh and Breton) name "Arthur", that is "Ad"!

So, we have KING ARTHUR. Following that we have DIC and that's your root word found in almost all Indo-European languages for duke and dictator.

This is immediately followed by CA or CEA. (I favor the "hard C" pronunciation for the "c" sounds very much like the Romans themselves would do. No doubt that CA turns KING ARTHUR into a feminine form, and she becomes QUEEN ARTHUR. The "C" might also be a reference to the ICENI, her hereditary tribal affiliation before she became High King/Queen.

Turns the situation with Guinivere upside down doesn't it?

So, what is Mel Gibson going to do here? Is he going to make that leap of recognition that brings "King Arthur" out of the dark, and out of the hands of various "gay" playwrights who keep 'splainin' Arthur's tolerance of Lancelot's daliance with Guinivere as symptomatic of "gayness"!

Interestingly enough, once the Romans had pacified Brittain they brought in a legion made up of mercinaries from North of the Black Sea. These old boys had a memnonic "ring" about a king with a council circle and a wayward queen. Presumably that story was added to the repetoire of the times concerning the Queen who led the revolt against Rome.

11 posted on 06/02/2004 5:34:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mdittmar

always found Boudicca interesting and always thought it would be an interesting film.
I dont get why femminist would start complaining about the film, wouldnt it be like christians complaining about the Passion???

First Mel Made romans look bad in the Passion and now he going to make romans look bad in Boudicca!! he is anti-italian!!!! RACIST (just kidding)

oh well i wanted to see his maccabees film though :(


12 posted on 06/02/2004 5:35:21 PM PDT by captaindude2 (Soon to be banned again!)
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To: Paul Atreides
What we really need for Gibson's next project is a movie based on Charles "the hammer" Martel.

That'll really piss off the PC crowd.

13 posted on 06/02/2004 5:44:00 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: Paul Atreides
There is one thing that is perfectly clear...

No matter WHAT Gibson does in the film to portray the story, the left will gripe, bitch, complain, whine, and whimper.

They're still licking their wounds from "The Passion", and anything Mel does now will be suffer frame-by-frame critique. We already know that feminazis CANNOT be made happy, no matter what.

The worst message that Mel, or any of the rest of us can send to the feminazis is...that we CARE what they think about it. If the don't like the film, then they should just stay home - otherwise it's just an effort by them to CONTROL WHAT WE SEE.
14 posted on 06/02/2004 5:48:52 PM PDT by FrankR
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To: rmmcdaniell

Could NOT agree with you more: The Hammer's story should be told.

Charles Martel
Born about 688; died at Quierzy on the Oise, 21 October, 741. He was the natural son of Pepin of Herstal and a woman named Alpaïde or Chalpaïde. Pepin, who died in 714, had outlived his two legitimate sons, Drogon and Grimoald, and to Theodoald, a son of the latter and then only six years old, fell the burdensome inheritance of the French monarchy. Charles, who was then twenty-six, was not excluded from the succession on account of his birth, Theodoald himself being the son of a concubine, but through the influence of Plectrude, Theodoald's grandmother, who wished the power invested in her own descendants exclusively. To prevent any opposition from Charles she had him cast into prison and, having established herself at Cologne, assumed the guardianship of her grandson. But the different nations whom the strong hand of Pepin of Herstal had held in subjections, shook off the yoke of oppression as soon as they saw that it was with a woman they had to deal. Neustria gave the signal for revolt (715), Theodoald was beaten in the forest of Cuise and, led by Raginfrid, mayor of the palace, the enemy advanced as far as the Meuse. The Frisians flew to arms and, headed by their duke, Ratbod, destroyed the Christian mission and entered into a confederacy with the Neustrians. The Saxons came and devastated the country of the Hattuarians, and even in Austrasia there was a certain faction that chafed under the government of a woman and child. At this juncture Charles escaped from prison and put himself at the head of the national party of Austrasia. At first he was unfortunate. He was defeated by Ratbod near Cologne in 716, and the Neustrians forced Plectrude to acknowledge as king Chilperic, the son of Childeric II, having taken this Merovingian from the seclusion of the cloister, where he lived the name of Daniel. But Charles was quick to take revenge. He surprised and conquered the Neustrians at Amblève near Malmédy (716), defeated them a second time at Vincy near Cambrai (21 March, 717), and pursued them as far as Paris. Then retracing his steps, he came to Cologne and compelled Plectrude to surrender her power and turn over to him the wealth of his father, Pepin. In order to give his recently acquired authority a semblance of legitimacy, he proclaimed the Merovingian Clotaire IV King of Austrasia, reserving for himself the title of Mayor of the Palace. It was about this time that Charles banished Rigobert, the Bishop of Reims, who had opposed him, appointing in his stead the warlike and unpriestly Milon, who was already Archbishop of Trier.

The ensuing years were full of strife. Eager to chastise the Saxons who had invaded Austrasia, Charles in the year 718 laid waste their country to the banks of the Weser. In 719 Ratbod died, and Charles seized Western Friesland without any great resistance on the part of the Frisians, who had taken possession of it on the death of Pepin. The Neustrians, always a menace, had joined forces with the people of Aquitaine, but Charles hacked their army to pieces at Soissons. After this defeat they realized the necessity of surrendering, and the death of King Clotaire IV, whom Charles had placed on the throne but two years previously, facilitated reconciliation of the two great fractions of the Frankish Empire. Charles acknowledged Chilperic as head of the entire monarchy, while on their side, the Neustrians and Aquitainians endorsed the authority of Charles; but, when Chilperic died, the following year (720) Charles appointed as his successor the son of Dagobert III, Thierry IV, who was still a minor, and who occupied the throne from 720 to 737. A second expedition against the Saxons in 720 and the definitive submission of Raginfrid, who had been left the county of Angers (724), re-established the Frankish Monarchy as it had been under Pepin of Herstal, and closed the first series of Charles Martel's struggles. The next six years were devoted almost exclusively to the confirming of the Frankish authority over the dependent Germanic tribes. In 725 and 728 Charles went into Bavaria, where the Agilolfing dukes had gradually rendered themselves independent, and re-established Frankish suzerainty. He also brought thence the Princess Suanehilde, who seems to have become his mistress. In 730 he marched against Lantfrid, Duke of the Alemanna, whom he likewise brought into subjection, and thus Southern Germany once more became part of the Frankish Empire, as had Northern Germany during the first years of the reign. But at the extremity of the empire a dreadful storm was gathering. For several years the Moslems of Spain had been threatening Gaul. Banished thence in 721 by Duke Eudes, they had returned in 725 and penetrated as far as Burgundy, where they had destroyed Autun. Duke Eudes, unable to resist them, at length contented himself by negotiating with them, and to Othmar, one of their chiefs, he gave the hand of his daughter But this compromising alliance brought him into disfavour with Charles, who defeated him in 731, and the death of Othmar that same year again left Eudes at the mercy of Moslem enterprise. In 732 Abd-er-Rahman, Governor of Spain, crossed the Pyrenees at the head of an immense army, overcame Duke Eudes, and advanced as far as the Loire, pillaging and burning as he went. In October, 732, Charles met Abd-er-Rahman outside of Tours and defeated and slew him in a battle (the Battle of Poitiers) which must ever remain one of the great events in the history of the world, as upon its issue depended whether Christian Civilization should continue or Islam prevail throughout Europe. It was this battle, it is said, that gave Charles his name, Martel (Tudites) "The Hammer", because of the merciless way in which he smote the enemy.

The remainder of Charles Martel's reign was an uninterrupted series of triumphant combats. In 733-734 he suppressed the rebellion instigated by the Frisian duke, Bobo, who was slain in battle, and definitively subdued Friesland, which finally adopted Christianity. In 735, after the death of Eudes, Charles entered Aquitaine, quelled the revolt of Hatto and Hunold, sons of the deceased duke, and left the duchy to Hunold, to be held in fief (736). He then banished the Moslems from Arles and Avignon, defeated their army on the River Berre near Narbonne, and in 739 checked an uprising in Provence, the rebels being under the leadership of Maurontus. So great was Charles' power during the last years of his reign that he did not take the trouble to appoint a successor to King Thierry IV, who died in 737, but assumed full authority himself, governing without legal right. About a year before Charles died, Pope Gregory III, threatened by Luitprand, King of Lombardy, asked his help. Now Charles was Luitprand's ally because the latter had promised to assist him in the late war against the Moslems of Provence, and, moreover, the Frankish king may have already suffered from the malady that was to carry him off—two reasons that are surely sufficient to account for the fact that the pope's envoys departed without gaining the object of their errand. However, it would seem that, according to the terms of a public act published by Charlemagne, Charles had, at least in principle, agreed to defend the Roman Church, and death alone must have prevented him from fulfilling this agreement. The reign, which in the beginning was so full of bloody conflicts and later of such incessant strife, would have been an impossibility had not Charles procured means sufficient to attract and compensate his partisans. For this purpose he conceived the idea of giving them the usufruct of a great many ecclesiastical lands, and this spoliation is what is referred to as the secularization by Charles Martel. It was an expedient that could be excused without, however, being justified, and it was pardoned to a certain extent by the amnesty granted at the Council of Lestines, held under the sons of Charles Martel in 743. It must also be remembered that the Church remained the legal owner of the lands thus alienated. This spoliation and the conferring of the principal ecclesiastical dignities upon those who were either totally unworthy or else had naught but their military qualifications to recommend them—as, for instance, the assignment of the episcopal Sees of Reims of Reims and Trier to Milon—were not calculated to endear Charles Martel to the clergy of his time. Therefore, in the ninth century Hincmar of Reims related the story of the vision with which St. Eucher was said to have been favoured and which showed Charles in hell, to which he had been condemned for robbing the Church of its property.

But notwithstanding the almost exclusively warlike character of his reign, Charles Martel was not indifferent to the superior interests of civilization and Christianity. Like Napoleon after the French Revolution, upon emerging from the years 715-719, Charles, who had not only tolerated but perpetrated many an act of violence against the Church, set about the establishment of social order and endeavoured to restore the rights of the Catholic hierarchy. This explains the protection which in 723 he accorded St. Boniface (Winfrid), the great apostle of Germany, a protection all the more salutary as the saint himself explained to his old friend, Daniel of Winchester, that without it he could neither administer his church, defend his clergy, nor prevent idolatry. Hence Charles Martel shares, to a certain degree, the glory and merit of Boniface's great work of civilization. He died after having divided the Frankish Empire, as a patrimony between his two sons, Carloman and Pepin.


15 posted on 06/02/2004 5:56:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Paul Atreides

I like to see Gibson do something along the lines of the War of The Roses or Queen Maud vs. Steven.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 6:06:46 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (NEOCON NOW)
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To: Paul Atreides
I was recently reading about her in Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples

Mel Gibson probably likes her for a subject because she is a sympathetic figure. She defends her country against the invaders and she causes massive casualties. Churchill said thousands and thousands slaughtered.

Mel's movies seem to gravitate toward bloody battles.

17 posted on 06/02/2004 6:16:19 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: nmh

***What's so special about Boudicca? She's more or less a footnote in history.***

Destroy a Roman army, destroy ancient London, Motivate the natives,Strike fear in the Roman Empire, and you become a footnote of history.

You hear that, Arminus! Your destruction of the Roman Legions in the Teutoburger forest SHOULD be a footnote also!


18 posted on 06/02/2004 6:20:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: Tax-chick

I hate "Period Movies," especially those about people who never had any.


19 posted on 06/02/2004 6:34:00 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer

You'd better believe Bouadicca had a period or two ~ this woman invented a bad case of PMS FUR SHUR, at least in the eyes of the Romans.


20 posted on 06/02/2004 6:44:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Old Professer

Funny! Surely she must have, unless she was pregnant all the time!

I don't go for all the violence in Mel Gibson's movies, but I do enjoy a well-done historical battle, especially with chariots.


21 posted on 06/02/2004 6:48:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("It's only important for me to know!" (Gen. Patton)
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To: Paul Atreides

I'm always game to see historical action on the screen, esp. from the beginning period of the British Isles.


22 posted on 06/02/2004 6:52:59 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Paul Atreides

I nominate Angelina Jolie to play Boudicca.


23 posted on 06/02/2004 6:56:01 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: rmmcdaniell
What we really need for Gibson's next project is a movie based on Charles "the hammer" Martel

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss!

24 posted on 06/02/2004 7:00:21 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Ciexyz

This just souunds like Braveheart in a dress. Oh wait...


25 posted on 06/02/2004 7:03:40 PM PDT by Grumpy Bear
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To: rmmcdaniell
What we really need for Gibson's next project is a movie based on Charles "the hammer" Martel.

From your lips to God's and Mel's ears.

26 posted on 06/02/2004 7:05:58 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Paul Atreides

Boudicca did defeat the Ninth Legion, though it was not at full strength. Still, to defeat a legion was impressive.

Arminius' victory was very impressive as well, though I don't believe the common refrain one hears about how that defeat convinced the Romans that the rest of Germany and Central Europe was beyond their reach. Tiberius led successful campaigns east of the Rhine after the disaster, and Germanicus led several successful expeditions including one where he defeated Arminius. I don't know which is true; that after becoming Emperor Tiberius halted the war because he deemed it to be unwinable, or because he feared a triumphant general pulling a Caesar on him. I prefer to believe that the Romans could have completed the conquest of Germany had the will to do so been there. I wonder why Trajan and Septimus Severus in particular didn't try.

As to the movie, what I'd fear would be that Gibson would come up with some far-fetched reason for Boudicca's eventual crushing defeat to Paulinus. Her army was simply no match for two seasoned, experienced Roman Legions, and that should be reflected in the film. There should be no excuses. That's what I fear about the upcoming Hannibal movie; that it will downplay Scipio's generalship in defeating Hannibal at Zama.


Yes, a movie about Martel would be great so long as it wasn't bastardized by PC-Multicultural concerns. So in other words it would probably take someone like Gibson to do it right. I can't imagine Hollywood doing justice to any historical drama centered around the Christian West against the Muslim threat.

Another good idea would be to dramatize the Jewish revolt put down by Vespasian and Titus, culminating in the epic siege of Massada. I mean you could show the beginning of the construction of the Colosseum which was financed by the looting of Jerusalem.

Or how about a well-made big budget movie about Caesar himself? Or Trajan, or Aurelian or Constantine.


27 posted on 06/02/2004 7:22:47 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: mdittmar

Who will Mel cast in the role?


28 posted on 06/02/2004 7:24:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Molly Ringwald;)


29 posted on 06/02/2004 7:32:01 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over our Military men and women who serve to keep us free.)
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To: mdittmar
Actually - an interesting suggestion.

If she was really serious, Mel would make her work . Wonder if she has the depth for such a role

30 posted on 06/02/2004 7:37:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
She does,was good in Fresh Horses

Or maybe I just like redheads.

31 posted on 06/02/2004 7:54:44 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over our Military men and women who serve to keep us free.)
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