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Michigan Gov. Granholm signs bill recognizing Right of CCW holders to carry in state parks
Michigan Legislature ^ | June 4, 2004 | self

Posted on 06/04/2004 7:55:32 AM PDT by Mulder

House Bill 4867 (Substitute S-2 as reported) Sponsor: Representative James Koetje House Committee: Conservation and Outdoor Recreation Senate Committee: Judiciary

CONTENT The bill would amend the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act (NREPA) to provide that the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) could not prohibit a concealed pistol licensee, or someone exempt from licensure, from carrying a pistol on property under the DNR's control.

Part 5 (Department of Natural Resources) of NREPA requires the DNR to "promulgate rules for the protection of the lands and property under its control...to protect the lands and property from depredations and to preserve the lands and property from molestation, spoilation, destruction, or any other improper use or occupancy". The Department must issue orders necessary to implement promulgated rules. A person who violates a rule or order is responsible for a State civil infraction punishable by a maximum civil fine of $500.

Under the bill, the DNR could not promulgate or enforce a rule that prohibited an individual who was licensed or exempt from licensure under the handgun licensure Act, from carrying a pistol in compliance with that Act on property under the DNR's control, whether the pistol was concealed or otherwise.

The bill is tie-barred to Senate Bill 221, which would amend NREPA to allow a concealed pistol licensee, or someone exempt from licensure, to transport a pistol or carry a loaded pistol in an area frequented by wild animals, regardless of whether that person possessed a hunting license.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; ccw; michigan

1 posted on 06/04/2004 7:55:32 AM PDT by Mulder
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To: *bang_list; Dan from Michigan
Significant because this is a Demoncrat governor, and at least the third democrat governor to sign a bill this year improving the CCW laws in their state (Warner or Virgina and Locke of Washington are the others).

Obviously, they have internal polling (coupled with previous election results) which shows that gun control is a big loser for them.

Too bad the Republicans at the national level don't realize this and start pushing for some improvement (or better yet, elimination) of the federal gun edicts.

2 posted on 06/04/2004 7:59:46 AM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: Mulder

We also have a heavilly republican legislature.


3 posted on 06/04/2004 8:04:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: cripplecreek
We also have a heavilly republican legislature.

The helps also :)

I've been writing some letters trying to get our GOP legislature here in Florida to improve our CCW laws, but haven't heard anything back.

The Republicans have big majorites in both state houses, and of course, the governor is a Republican, so it's a good time to fix the laws for the better.

4 posted on 06/04/2004 8:15:20 AM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: Mulder
Granholm is trying to run from her gun grabbing past(Marched with Million Moms in 00). I don't trust her one bit, but she's signed two non-hyped pro-2a bills. That said, this is a big one. One problem here is that criminal law and game law are in two different sections, and has caused some contradictions(and I believe game law carries weight).

This helped clear that up. I know people who have gotten CPLS strictly because of bears.

5 posted on 06/04/2004 8:28:37 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Granholm is trying to run from her gun grabbing past(Marched with Million Moms in 00). I don't trust her one bit, but she's signed two non-hyped pro-2a bills

I seem to recall that last year someone asked her if she's made any mistakes. She replied that she was wrong when she thought the CCW law would result in a wild west scenario.

I thought that very intersting that she would go out of her way to say she was wrong about gun control.

It looks like they've learned (at least the ones with an IQ) like gun control is a losing issue for them. But like you said, we shouldn't trust them anymore since in their hearts they still support it.

Forunately for folks in Michigan, the legislature took the offensive and have put a couple of good gun bills on her desk.

Other Republicans should learn a lesson from them, and start pushing the issue in other states.

Make the dem governors either sign pro-RKBA bills or make them veto them, so that a Republican can use that to run against them.

6 posted on 06/04/2004 8:43:24 AM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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BTW - Only 6 people voted against it.

In the senate, Irma Clark-Coleman and Martha Scott, both from Detroit voted against it. As did notorious gun grabber Liz Brater and Gilda Jacobs.

In the house, Steve Tobocman and Aldo Vagnozzi voted against it. Tobocman is the only white rep out of Detroit(and in a tough primary). Vagnozzi has a tough district in Farmington Hills and is beatable.

Reps. Vagnozzi and Tobocman, having reserved the right to explain their protest against the passage of the bill, made the following statement:

"Mr. Speaker and members of the House:

I voted no on House Bill 4867 because the bill would prohibit the Department of Natural Resources from stopping people with loaded pistols or concealed weapons from coming into state parks, beaches and campgrounds. Our state parks should be a place where people can go with their friends, family and children to relax and be free from worry. Our citizens should not have to worry whether or not the person next to them has a loaded gun in their picnic basket."

7 posted on 06/04/2004 9:05:26 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Mulder
Granholm has cut taxes and cut spending due to the economic situation in over regulated Michigan.

Both Dem's and Pubbies should start the process to amend the Constitution to allow the foreign born to be elected President. She and Arnold would both have a real shot at it.

8 posted on 06/04/2004 9:36:57 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Both Dem's and Pubbies should start the process to amend the Constitution to allow the foreign born to be elected President. She and Arnold would both have a real shot at it.

No doubt there will be a push for this (as the globalists continue to advance a one-world government), but it is a very bad idea.

As for Arnold and Granholm, I don't trust either one of them to support the Bill of Rights.

9 posted on 06/04/2004 9:39:04 AM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I know people who have gotten CPLS strictly because of bears.

If I were getting attacked by a bear, I'd rather have my Serbu BFG-50 than any TWO of my pistols.

10 posted on 06/04/2004 1:43:15 PM PDT by George Smiley (It amazes me how easily John Kerry can straddle both sides of the fence for any given issue.)
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To: George Smiley

He uses a .44 for bears if needed, never had to.


11 posted on 06/04/2004 2:03:30 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
She has NOT cut taxes.

She's pushing to RAISE them right now.

12 posted on 06/04/2004 2:04:07 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Our citizens should not have to worry whether or not the person next to them has a loaded gun in their picnic basket.

I always unload my gun before placing it into the picnic basket. Otherwise the tobasco sauce might cause a round to go off.

13 posted on 06/04/2004 2:07:00 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
LOL.

Now I expect Aldo, Tobocman, Brater, and Gilda Jacobs to introduce bills making it illegal for guns and tobasco sauce to be in the same house.

14 posted on 06/04/2004 2:12:15 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Larry Lucido
the tobasco sauce might cause a round to go off

Tobasco is a mild sauce they won't even properly lite up a bowl of chili.

15 posted on 06/05/2004 2:11:42 PM PDT by ASA Vet (The "FreeRepublic French" would rather our grandchildren decide which culture is to survive.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Granholm has cut taxes..

No, she hasn't. In fact she is trying to get Engler's phased in tax cut stopped.

16 posted on 06/05/2004 2:18:57 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Pax quaeritur bello (Latine loqui coactus sum))
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To: ASA Vet

Yea, but every once in a while some smart-ass will slip in a habanero, cooking off any ordnance within an 4-inch radius.


17 posted on 06/05/2004 2:19:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
That's what I use for hot sauce. Homegrown 100% habanero puree.

My mild sauce is made from Thai bird peppers.

18 posted on 06/05/2004 2:26:16 PM PDT by ASA Vet (The "FreeRepublic French" would rather our grandchildren decide which culture is to survive.)
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