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Black conservative in Netherlands Parliament challenges Islam head on
Ramblings' Journal ^ | 6.7.04 | Michael King

Posted on 06/07/2004 8:46:15 AM PDT by mhking

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1 posted on 06/07/2004 8:46:16 AM PDT by mhking
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To: joanie-f

Bump.


2 posted on 06/07/2004 8:51:38 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: mhking

Good lookin chickie, glad she doesnt have a burkha on!!!


3 posted on 06/07/2004 8:51:43 AM PDT by Coroner
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To: mhking

This is awesome news.

The headline actually should have read: Black WOMAN conservative.

That's even more of a poke in the eye to the Moo-slums.


4 posted on 06/07/2004 8:52:09 AM PDT by EggsAckley (............"The democrats would rather win the WH than the war." - Tom DeLay............)
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To: mhking

Wasn't the assassinated PM also a homosexual-rights activist, who warned about the growing Islamic influence in the Netherlands and its effect on "gay rights?" I know he was portrayed as a right-winger for being "intolerant" of immigrants, but does anyone know the whole story?

It will be interesting to see how things play out in the US - will the left demand "tolerance" towards "intolerant" immigrants?


5 posted on 06/07/2004 8:54:00 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: mhking

"Ayaan Hirsi Ali is especially critical of the lack of tolerance for dissenting opinions among Muslims,..."

"Two years ago, she had to hide out in the US for months and these days she is accompanied by bodyguards when in public."

And people wonder why muslims don't speak out against the radicals? Or why they don't attend rallies against radicals/terrorists.


6 posted on 06/07/2004 8:54:51 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: knighthawk; Pharmboy

Dutch bump.


7 posted on 06/07/2004 8:55:11 AM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Valin; Eurotwit; knighthawk; F14 Pilot; Luis Gonzalez

Pong


8 posted on 06/07/2004 8:56:43 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Incorrigible

Can we get her to run for office HERE???

It looks like she has the backbone our own politicos lack.


9 posted on 06/07/2004 8:57:36 AM PDT by ZULU (They weree)
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To: cvq3842
Wasn't the assassinated PM also a homosexual-rights activist, who warned about the growing Islamic influence in the Netherlands and its effect on "gay rights?" I know he was portrayed as a right-winger for being "intolerant" of immigrants, but does anyone know the whole story?

If memory serves, the late Fortuyn would have been more of a libertarian in this country if anything.

The party that both he and Hirsi Ali belong to are akin to a more classicly libertarian mindset (i.e., economic/military conservatism, but more moderate in terms of social issues; though Hirsi Ali, as this piece points out, is far more conservative when it comes to the "religion of peace").

10 posted on 06/07/2004 8:57:56 AM PDT by mhking (Am I supposed to grovel and do hail Marys now?)
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To: cvq3842

He was Gay, and he was for reforming the welfare system. He also feared the impact of Islamic immigrants who don't assimilate and bring theocratic ideas with them. He was killed by an animal rights extremist.


11 posted on 06/07/2004 8:58:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberalism corrupts. Absolute Liberalism corrupts absolutely.)
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To: mhking
"(Radical) Muslims are incapable of self-reflection. Consequently, any critical remark is perceived as an offense."

Very true. Radical Muslims presume to instruct the rest of the world about Allah, yet they are themselves utterly lacking in self-understanding. Ultimately, it is their own ultra-sensitive egos that they worship, not to mention their own (Arab) race. The whole cult of Mohammed is nothing but the Arab male's institutionalized self-worship.
12 posted on 06/07/2004 8:58:37 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: mhking

Moment of clarity in the Netherlands bump!


13 posted on 06/07/2004 8:59:21 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (God Bless Ronald and Nancy Reagan)
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To: mhking

Let's import her!


14 posted on 06/07/2004 8:59:46 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: mhking
I sometimes wonder about the moonbats here and whether they'd resort to violence to maintain their stranglehold on the minds of black America, if they were ever faced with a substantial challenge to their mentality of collective victimhood.

I think they already do.
15 posted on 06/07/2004 9:01:02 AM PDT by visualops (Let's win another one for the Gipper.)
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To: mhking

Any way we can trade her for Nancy Pelosi?


16 posted on 06/07/2004 9:04:29 AM PDT by Gritty ("Believe me, behind closed doors, there are no moderate Muslims"-Abu Musa)
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To: mhking
Does she have dual citizenship? Nigeria is in a world of hurt because of sharia being instituted in the northern states, and it's only going to get worse. I have indirect contact with missionaries there and things are getting very ugly for all non-Muslims.

While her voice of reason is certainly needed in Europe, it may be even more needed in Nigeria. Unfortunately, her life is going to be in constant jeopardy in Europe or in Africa.

17 posted on 06/07/2004 9:08:49 AM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: mhking

...interesting, and the last paragraph is intriguing, what percentage of black America is muslim i wonder?


18 posted on 06/07/2004 9:09:46 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: mhking
I sometimes wonder about the moonbats here and whether they'd resort to violence to maintain their stranglehold on the minds of black America, if they were ever faced with a substantial challenge to their mentality of collective victimhood.

The "Honorable Elijah Muhammed" fits this bill nicely. Rumor has it that he was behind the murder of Malcom X.

19 posted on 06/07/2004 9:12:26 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: gdc61
and the last paragraph is intriguing, what percentage of black America is muslim i wonder?

Good question -- but overall, I fear the NOI far less than those who are so wrapped up in the Jackson/Sharpton cabal that they "ain't got nothing to lose."

I don't know exact numbers, but I'd guess a relatively small portion.

20 posted on 06/07/2004 9:17:05 AM PDT by mhking (Am I supposed to grovel and do hail Marys now?)
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To: mhking

Thanks.


21 posted on 06/07/2004 9:20:24 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: elhombrelibre

Thanks.


22 posted on 06/07/2004 9:20:49 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: gdc61

To answer your question, 2% of black America is Muslim. However, it's the community's fastest growing religion.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was born and raised in SOMALIA, not Nigeria. However, sharia applies there as well (even more so than in Nigeria, which has a much larger Christian population that's fighting it). However, she fled to Canada earlier in her life to avoid an arranged marriage by her strict Islamic parents. She is a political scientist by profession (in addition to her Parliament duties).

We could use a few Hirsi Alis in this country...


23 posted on 06/07/2004 9:25:04 AM PDT by rarebird
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To: mhking
I taught three female Nigerian immigrants recently and was astounded at their militantly angry verbal assaults on Islam and muslims in the Nigerian North. I was heartened to hear that many Muslims are converting to Christianity in Nigeria.

There is no way that any Muslims in my class would "mess with" these gals!

24 posted on 06/07/2004 9:26:11 AM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: mhking

Brave woman. I expect she's having a big impact on the Dutch youth.


25 posted on 06/07/2004 9:26:56 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: EggsAckley
Black woman conservative who used to be a Muslim...that's the worst offense in moondom to leave the faith and become an apostate. Even us infidels are above her on the moon scale since we just haven't been assimilated yet.

She was a Muslim and she left. That is poison to Islam. She should be very watchful, the Muslim world will come for her.

26 posted on 06/07/2004 9:31:19 AM PDT by Sender (BURROW this is SNOWBALL NET. Our fearless leader has passed to the other side.)
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To: Sender

Note that the guy who approached her with the "I hope jihadists kill you" threat said, after she handed him the knife and said he should try doing it himself, said that he wanted to kill her but was afraid to go to jail. Hmm..


27 posted on 06/07/2004 9:40:22 AM PDT by rarebird
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To: cateizgr8

Ping. Ping. Ping.


28 posted on 06/07/2004 10:05:56 AM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: rarebird
"To answer your question, 2% of black America is Muslim. However, it's the community's fastest growing religion. "

It's been hailed as the "fastest-growing religion among blacks" for 50 years now. Maybe we should take another look at all this "fastest-growing" talk. Maybe it's the "fastest-talking" religion.

29 posted on 06/07/2004 10:20:39 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: eleni121
"I taught three female Nigerian immigrants recently and was astounded at their militantly angry verbal assaults on Islam and muslims in the Nigerian North. I was heartened to hear that many Muslims are converting to Christianity in Nigeria.

There is no way that any Muslims in my class would "mess with" these gals!

Yes, it isn't all a one-way street, by any means. Many turn away from Islam every day (though they tend to be discreet about it).

31 posted on 06/07/2004 10:24:04 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: mhking

WOW! More hope! Looks like Holland will make my "ok to travel and spend US money" list, unlike most others!
This lady has nads!! I love it!


32 posted on 06/07/2004 11:06:30 AM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: Incorrigible

Good for him...Niew Amsterdam Bump!


33 posted on 06/07/2004 11:21:13 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy

Oops...I meant good for HER!!


34 posted on 06/07/2004 11:21:50 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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It was the criticism by the late Pim Fortuyn (the Dutch politician who was killed by an animal rights activists) of the impact of Islam on Dutch society which sharpened her awareness of the threat of Muslim radicalism. Fortuyn openly qualified the Islam as a backward religion and Ayaan Hirsi Ali shares this view.

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35 posted on 06/07/2004 11:31:22 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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bttt


36 posted on 06/07/2004 11:33:18 AM PDT by cyborg
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bttt


37 posted on 06/07/2004 12:39:26 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: mhking

"Moonbats!" LOL, I'll remember that one!


38 posted on 06/07/2004 1:09:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: mhking

A very unique woman, very brave. I hope the dutch protect her with the proper security.


39 posted on 06/07/2004 1:45:16 PM PDT by optik_b (follow the money)
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To: EggsAckley
The headline actually should have read: Black WOMAN conservative

I am a little cautious about what the Dutch would consider conservative.

When she was still in the socialist party she wanted to put the issue high on the political agenda. But the party did not support her view, because it was afraid that it would play into Fortuyn's hands.

40 posted on 06/07/2004 1:55:51 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: AndrewC

Hirsi Ali sounds moderate, probably libertarian. She is a FORMER socialist, but grew quite disenchanted when the Dutch Socialist Party absolutely refused to take Islamism's threat seriously. It sounds like she's been a member of one of the Dutch conservative parties for a couple years.

Hirsi Ali is no Alan Keyes but she's no Jesse Jackson either. She opposes multicultural and bilingual programs, is perhaps Europe's harshest mainstream critic of Islam after Italy's Orianna Fallaci, she opposes foreign aid, and she regularly talks about the cost of Dutch social programs. Certainly an ally in our battle against jihadists. Condoleezza Rice would have her over for dinner.


41 posted on 06/07/2004 2:07:48 PM PDT by rarebird
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To: rarebird

More research on her, from the web.

-- "Mohammed is, judged by Western standards, a perverse man. A tyrant. If you don't do what he says, things won't go well for you. That makes me think of megalomaniac dictators in the Middle East, Osama Bin Laden, Ayatollah Khomeini and Saddam Hussein."

-- since last year, she's been waging a virtually solo campaign against Islamic schools in the Netherlands. Her center-right party leader got annoyed at her "solo runs" by discussing the issue publicly without clearance from the party (even though they support her view). They accused her of deliberately seeking confrontation by making very controversial remarks and by not sticking to the party line. However, her fellow party Parliamentarians stuck by her.

-- in 2002, 21 Islamic countries (Organisation of the Islamic Conference) complained about her comments to the Dutch parliament in a letter, demanding an apology

-- it was while she was in hiding (in USA, for a few months in 2002) that she switched political parties. I guess we can claim that our more conservative environment played a role

-- "Millions of Muslim women all around the world are oppressed in the name [of] Islam. As a woman who was brought up with the tradition of Islam, I think it's not just my right but also my obligation to call these things by the name."

-- Last year she apologized for referring to Islam as a backward religion in previous years (probably to help save her life). However, she remains one of Islam's sharpest critics in Europe.

-- "And I think that is also another horrible side of Islam - the fact that there is absolutely no toleration."

I'm surprised that European and American feminists haven't taken up her charge. Then again, she's too conservative for their taste (and she's a centrist). U.S. conservative media must support her, so she has some backup when even her own Dutch conservative party wants to rein her in.


42 posted on 06/07/2004 2:27:47 PM PDT by rarebird
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To: mhking
Gutsy lady.

How wonderful that the truth is coming out in Holland.

43 posted on 06/07/2004 2:39:26 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: rarebird
She opposes multicultural and bilingual programs, is perhaps Europe's harshest mainstream critic of Islam after Italy's Orianna Fallaci, she opposes foreign aid, and she regularly talks about the cost of Dutch social programs.

Well, okay, she quacks like a duck.

44 posted on 06/07/2004 7:16:53 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: knighthawk
Hey, Ayaan Hirsi Ali - you go girl!

I guess a white guy can actually say that...
45 posted on 06/07/2004 7:19:31 PM PDT by VOA
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To: rarebird; mhking

Seems like we have another "Ann Coulter" on our hands. Lucky us.


46 posted on 06/07/2004 7:29:48 PM PDT by Faraday
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Black conservative ping

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47 posted on 06/07/2004 8:01:12 PM PDT by mhking (Am I supposed to grovel and do hail Marys now?)
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To: mhking

bttt


48 posted on 06/07/2004 8:04:51 PM PDT by cyborg
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"If memory serves, the late Fortuyn would have been more of a libertarian in this country if anything."

Hard to say. Fortyun certainly didn't advocate the open border immigration of our current libertarian party.

Perhaps "nationalist" would fit his views??

49 posted on 06/07/2004 8:07:46 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1971462.stm

more on Pim Fortuyn


50 posted on 06/07/2004 8:09:40 PM PDT by cyborg
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