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P.J. O'Rourke: I Agree with Me – When was the last time a conservative talk show changed a mind?
The Atlantic Monthly ^ | July/August 2004 | P.J. O'Rourke

Posted on 06/07/2004 5:50:22 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: quidnunc
Rush is actually a very *good* debater. Hannity, on the other hand, not so good.
21 posted on 06/07/2004 6:28:43 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Miss Marple

Well said. I, like PJ, was once a left wing hippie who thought drugs were fun. But, of course, I think life is fun, and I've seen some of my former compatriots in hippiedom become major space cadets.


22 posted on 06/07/2004 6:30:02 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (I was elected in AZ as an alt delegate to the Convention. I'M GOING TO NY)
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To: JOE6PAK
OH" she said. But WHO is Veronica?

A devoted Dittohead. :) I drive to work during the first half-hour of his show. It's my favorite part, like that first cup of coffee in the morning. Today as he was talking about the Gipper, I was saying, "exactly" over and over, out loud.

23 posted on 06/07/2004 6:30:49 PM PDT by veronica (Viva la Reagan revolution...)
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To: Felis_irritable

My favorite is:

"letting lawyers make laws is like giving whiskey and the car keys to teenage boys".


24 posted on 06/07/2004 6:31:55 PM PDT by babaloo999 (Zionist troll since 2001)
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To: randog

I'll never forget Clinton raising taxes to 85% on the rich Social Security recipients, ie couples making more than $32,000 yearly.


25 posted on 06/07/2004 6:33:43 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (I was elected in AZ as an alt delegate to the Convention. I'M GOING TO NY)
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To: veronica
Started listening to Rush when, after I poo-pooed Rush as an idiot, then-boyfriend said if I'd never listened, I should. And I wasn't even liberal, just brainwashed by the major media. Within weeks of listening to the one hour of Rush on Armed Forces Radio, I was a convert, and have listened ever since.
26 posted on 06/07/2004 6:35:40 PM PDT by pettifogger
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To: quidnunc

Hmmmm, I have lots of friends who disagree with me politically, and have good-natured discussions with them. Maybe it's just the way I was raised. Nonetheless, I agree with O'Rourke that civil debate is sadly out of fashion.


27 posted on 06/07/2004 6:35:48 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Vision Thing
This is a cheapshot of a title

No kidding. I always love the way the Left say that Rush "yells," "spews," etc. etc. Rush speaks conversationally, and uses massive doses of very genteel humor to make his points

More importantly, he offers up FACTS and points out incosistencies and downright lies. I assemble these and use them to fry my few Liberal family (I have NO liberal friends) members.

28 posted on 06/07/2004 6:36:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to go in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: pettifogger

P.S. Dumped boyfriend, kept the dial on Rush.


29 posted on 06/07/2004 6:36:30 PM PDT by pettifogger
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To: Felis_irritable

The P.J. line I use regularly is from his trip to the hideous slums in the Philippines, or some such place: "I could throw up, but how would that help?"

It's flip, but there's a serious conservative point. Feeling sickened by squalor isn't a virtue; it's just natural. It's a whole lot harder, if not impossible, to find real solutions for misery. Liberals think that just feeling bad about it is enough ... plus throwing tax money into a "program."


30 posted on 06/07/2004 6:38:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The old woman who lives in the 15-passenger van.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I haven't read this author before. Is he always this stupid?

I suggest you read some of his other works. Start with Holidays in Hell.

31 posted on 06/07/2004 6:39:22 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: DLfromthedesert

PJ was once funny. Sad, this is not his finest work. In fact he may as well be a dem.


32 posted on 06/07/2004 6:41:26 PM PDT by justanotherday
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To: KevinB
Let's see, pubbies have control of the House, Senate and Presidency, plus the majority of governorships.

They do? Then, why is Big Stupid Government so much bigger, dumber and more expensive? Why is the deficit at record levels? What about "limited government" - whatever happened to that?

33 posted on 06/07/2004 6:42:11 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to let anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: quidnunc
O'Rourke is usually on target. This time he is way off. Maybe he's spending a little too much time approving of sodomy and pretending that two buggerers can have a happy "marriage" and raise healthy children...but I digress.

Conservative radio talk shows - specifically Rush Limbaugh - woke me up and turned me from a mindless parrot liberal into an informed activist conservative. Yes - Rush Limbaugh changed my mind despite what the big-nosed, bitter guy with the lampshade on his head has to say.

When I first listened to Rush I was angry. "How could someone say crap like that and get away with it!?" was my initial reaction. I set out to prove him wrong - he had to be wrong - because if he was right that would mean that I'd been lied to for years and that I'd been a fool - a useful idiot.

I started reading - actually reading something more than just bumper stickers and liberal-dominated media trash (Time, Newsweek, etc.) I found that Rush was right about a number of things - a large number of things. And that would mean...yes, I'd been lied to.

I used Rush Limbaugh as a crutch for a couple of years. There was so much catching up to do and he was very helpful in pointing me in the right direction. Thank you, Rush. I know I'm not the only one that you've awakened to the awful truth around them. Now I can find my own sources of information and I rarely listen to Rush anymore. He set me in the right direction - he changed my mind as he changed so many others.

For all his wit and biting humor, I really wonder how many minds P.J. O'Rourke has changed. Sure, he's a side-splitting read. But, truthfully, he's more of an entertainer than Limbaugh. He offers far less substance than Rush. Maybe he's jealous. Or just drunk. But, for whatever reason, he's just plain wrong on this one.

34 posted on 06/07/2004 6:45:05 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: quidnunc

I've often wondered what one would get if he did a mind-meld between O'Rourke and Hitchens.


35 posted on 06/07/2004 6:50:48 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Miss Marple

P.J. is right. I don't think Rush is effective overall in changing minds. Well, maybe I should revise and extend that remark. Rush might make conservatives out of the apolitical.


36 posted on 06/07/2004 6:51:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Old Professer

One of those super brains that can function after years of chemical abuse.


37 posted on 06/07/2004 6:52:20 PM PDT by Torie
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To: quidnunc
I have heard about this O'rourke, but not enough to know where he stands. Rush has changed minds. Yet, if he did not change a single mind it would not matter. Conservatives have relatively few voices compared to liberals. In every liberal rag like the nyt you can hear all the anti. America speech you want. Rush,Sean,Glenn, etc. give us the truth. It was not always that way.
38 posted on 06/07/2004 6:52:27 PM PDT by ditto h
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To: Miss Marple

Miss Marple wrote, "I do't listen to talk radio for arguing. I look for different takes and tidbits about the news, plus some humor."

I do't either. This series. Real series and I do my own thimking.

(p.s. do't take this personal.)
Dennis


39 posted on 06/07/2004 6:54:39 PM PDT by encm(ss)
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To: veronica
veronica wrote: Rush is the only really good conservative radio host IMO…

To my mind Michael Medved is significantly more interesting, and more intelligent and knowledgable to boot.

40 posted on 06/07/2004 7:19:50 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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