Posted on 06/12/2004 11:46:05 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
isn't this #3 for us?
been there, done that.
"He is mainstream, that makes him a moderate"
Not hardly! Moderates wet their finger in the wind and go with the flow which ever way popular opinion takes them.
"By any objective standard of conservatism, he fails miserably."
By your standard maybe. But not by 95% of the people in this country who consider themselves "conservative". Show me something from a mainstream conservative that backs up your claim. I can't imagine anyone in the mainstream conservative movement who considers Rush a "miserable failure" as a conservative. Ann Coulter certainly doesn't seem to think he is. And she's as staunch a conservative as you'll find anywhere.
"He refuses to talk about God"
I don't talk about my religous beliefs in public either. But I'm still a religous person. What's your point?
"didn't vote until just a few years ago."
Can you honestly say YOU'VE voted in every single election (including local AND state) since you became eligable?
"he's on his third divorce," And as I've said so am I. What's your point? Hard to find anyone these days who hasn't been divorced once. It doesn't make him a bad person or a traitor to his beliefs where politics are concerned.
"he was a drug addict "
He was over prescribed a medication for a recurring back problem after an operation. He had the courage to admit his problem and get help. There are p-shrinks that will tell you that if you drink 3 beers a day 3-4 times a week you're addicted to alcohol. So why not go after the docs who sensed he had a problem and CONTINUED to give him the meds?
"He only attacks the most extreme of the left and thinks that an interventionist foreign policy is cool. "
NEWSFLASH! ALL of the left is "extreme" these days.
And this country has ALWAYS reserved the right to intervene anywhere in the world where our leaders feel it will protect the best interests of our nation. Your veiled slap at Pres. Bush for the Iraq war is weak and unfounded. But I bet you think that the Roosevelt Corollary (sorry about the spelling) and the Truman Doctorine are wrong headed policies too huh?
Another News Flash! for you. America Firsters died out sometime right after Pearl Harbor. Isolationism doesn't work.
"Oh I'm sorry, it's cool when a republican does it but not when a democrat does it."
You show me one instance where Republicans hve gone after the RATS with the same kind of personal hate filled attacks that the RATS constantly launch against anyone who is remotely conservative? You can't becasue there aren't any instances you can point to.
"Perhaps I am on the fringe, but that just shows how far to the left this country has gone in the last four decades, prior to which, no one would have confused Mr. Limbaugh with a conservative."
Yes you are on the fringe and no the country hasn't moved farther to the left...you have moved farther off the edge of rational politics. You have left our universe and entered the land of Liberialtarians. Where in your mind YOU and those individuals (a small handful really) who think like you do are the last "true conservatives" left
on the planet and everyone else is just different shades of liberal.
The more Liberaltarians I run across the more I'm convinced that Neal Boortz is the only sane one.
Here's a question: How many libertarians have experienced a drug bust?
Answer: It's far too frightening to answer.
If you're wondering, please read Rush Limbaugh is "The Passion" for any answers you seek on conservatism. After you're done reading that, I want you to repeat three times while tapping your heels together, "War on Drugs, War on Drugs, War on Drugs." After that, repeat, "There's no place like the privacy of my own hom."
Repeat that procedure, fifteen times and say six Novenas. After that, read Rush Limbaugh is "The Passion" one more time while tapping your heels together and repeating, "There's no one like Rush. There's no one like Rush. There's no one like Rush."
Once you've completed all of those tasks, please log back onto this thread and discuss conservatism reasonably. Thank you for your time and your audience. I'll be here all week. :) HA!
Txradioguy. Don't worry, I have the M1A1's rolling in. We'll be conducting a RAID on which we'll be completely victorious. So, it shouldn't be long now. :)
"He refuses to talk about God"
Not true. During the Reagan funeral in Washington, Rush said, and I quote, "God spoke today."
"he was a drug addict "
He admitted this problem and moved on. Why haven't you? Also, get the steel girder out of your own eye before removing it from Rush's.
"Perhaps I am on the fringe, but that just shows how far to the left this country has gone in the last four decades, prior to which, no one would have confused Mr. Limbaugh with a conservative."
Hey. The country, if anyting, has moved farther to the right, in large part to Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Drudge, Laura Ingraham, Walter Williams, etc... Do you want me to keep going? These people are called the "New Media." They advance conservatism throughout America. Period!
Well the old saying (for a woman) goes when you change your hair you're changing your man. In Rush's case, the recent pic with Gorbachev indicated a trim, well put together man. Maybe for man the old saying goes when you change your physical condition you're changing your woman.
Most revolutions are not revolutions they are anarchy dequised as revolutions, basically a riot. I'm not for that. I'm for the real thing. Which of course would be called anarchy by any democrat and some republicans. Who do not believe the 2nd amendment was given to make revolution legal, which is was. The 2nd amendment was Not given so we could hunt animals, but humans.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
No, kidding.
I am sure Rush like me though the marriage was for ever.
I guess if a lot of people believe something then that makes it true. Tell it to the Muslims and the communists. BTW, I distinctly remember an interview where Hillary Clinton considered herself "very conservative".
"He is mainstream, that makes him a moderate"
Not hardly! Moderates wet their finger in the wind and go with the flow which ever way popular opinion takes them.
Show me something from a mainstream conservative that backs up your claim.
IOW, he isn't a moderate so show me something by a moderate that backs up your claim.
Ann Coulter certainly doesn't seem to think he is.
Really? I consider her a real conservative. Isn't she persona non grata at that neocon publication "National Review" for being too conservative?
Can you honestly say YOU'VE voted in every single election (including local AND state) since you became eligable?
Well, pretty much. But I didn't make my living in political commentary either. How do you spell hypocrisy?
"he's on his third divorce," And as I've said so am I. What's your point? Hard to find anyone these days who hasn't been divorced once. It doesn't make him a bad person or a traitor to his beliefs where politics are concerned.
I guess because I've never been divorced, I'm out of the mainstream on that score too. I suppose you can find one thief that will defend another; doesn't make stealing right even if a lot of people are stealing.
I bet you think that the Roosevelt Corollary (sorry about the spelling) and the Truman Doctorine are wrong headed policies too huh?
Yes.But since the republicans of today have become the democrats of yesterday, I suppose it doesn't matter.
Another News Flash! for you. America Firsters died out sometime right after Pearl Harbor. Isolationism doesn't work.
So, what's it like posting to a dead guy? Apparently, you think interventionism DOES work. HOT NEWS FLASH! It doesn't. Unless by "working" you mean "brings terrorism to US soil".
You show me one instance where Republicans hve gone after the RATS with the same kind of personal hate filled attacks that the RATS constantly launch against anyone who is remotely conservative? You can't becasue there aren't any instances you can point to.
Except of course for the eight years of Clinton. You can't be serious that you can't find ONE example of conservatives going after Clinton with the same kind of invective can you?
Yes you are on the fringe and no the country hasn't moved farther to the left...you have moved farther off the edge of rational politics.
No, the country has stayed quite the same since we ripped prayer out of schools, legalized abortion, encouraged the pornography industry, push for gay marriage, euthanasia and a host of other things. You're right. In fact I think we're MORE conservative. I've seen the light!
Then:Once you've completed all of those tasks, please log back onto this thread and discuss conservatism reasonably.
I guess you are the Personification of "reasonable conservatism"
Txradioguy. Don't worry, I have the M1A1's rolling in. We'll be conducting a RAID on which we'll be completely victorious. So, it shouldn't be long now. :)
Whatever,"dude".
Wow. I shouldn't judge Rush based on 16 years on the airwaves but you can judge me from a few posts on FR. BTW, I'm very impressed that you improved on the actual words of Jesus.
Hey. The country, if anyting, has moved farther to the right, in large part to Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Drudge, Laura Ingraham, Walter Williams, etc... Do you want me to keep going? These people are called the "New Media." They advance conservatism throughout America. Period!
Again, in light of 1.5 million abortions per year, skyrocketing crime, teen pregnancy, drug addiction and proliferating pornography, gambling casinos, divorce, shacking up, and next up, gay marriage, euthanasia and legalizing heroin where are we more conservative?
As for Rush's success; it was a combination of a great formula, conservative politics with entertainment and an overwhelming felt need. Everyone knew that the liberals owned the media and that conservatives were de facto blackballed for many years. Rush actually stepped up to the plate and filled the void. That said let's not follow the lead of the left(yet again) and call him a conservative. Unless of course, you mean relatively rather than objectively. Yes. Relative to mainstream media he was more conservative. relative to Hillary Clinton, Dick Gephardt is more conservative; that does not make him "a conservative".
As for Ann Coulter, I consider her a real conservative. Watch as the neocons try to distance themselves from her. Sean Hannity is pretty good and has more integrity than Rush and walter Williams is a classic libertarian and offers a lot of food for thought. I believe that now that CEO's realize that conservatism is good for making $$$ we will continue to see a lot of the "new media". However if you run up against the "gay rights" crowd, watch out. Dr Laura Schlesinger is paying the price. I think that these other conservatives will eclipse Rush and they ought to. At best, he was a transitional figure. Necessary at the time, but surely not "indispensible."
"BTW, I distinctly remember an interview where Hillary Clinton considered herself "very conservative".
Ok reality check here. If you put ANY standing by what this woman says you have major issues. And INHO using Hitlery to try and bolster your case is VERY lame.
"IOW, he isn't a moderate so show me something by a moderate that backs up your claim."
He's got 14 years worth of shows to back up his claim. That is my proof.
"Isn't she persona non grata at that neocon publication "National Review" for being too conservative?
I have no idea why she's not there anymore and I could care less. Ann Coulter speaks highly of Rush as a staunch conservative and that's all the endorsement ANYONE should need.
"But I didn't make my living in political commentary either. How do you spell hypocrisy?"
Well then I guess by your unreasonable standard we should check the voting records of ALL the people who live and work in the world of "social commentary". Since you think as highly of Ann Coulter as I do, would you cinsier her suddenly to be the definition of hypocrisy if you discovered she hadn't voted at any level until she was 30?
And by your answer of "pretty much" to your own voting record I take it there are some chances to vote that you missed too. Tell me that spelling on hypocrisy again?
" I suppose you can find one thief that will defend another; doesn't make stealing right even if a lot of people are stealing."
Thanks for the insult bub. For the record I never wanted to get divirced but it happened and it's a fact of life. I still ver strongly believe in the institution of marriage. My view or ANYONE'S view on the subject doesn't have to change or become void just becasue they've had a marriage fail. It doesn't change me from being old fashoined. Just made me wiser on picking my partner for life.
"But since the republicans of today have become the democrats of yesterday, I suppose it doesn't matter."
What you can't see in your tunnel vision is that the basic tenets of those two doctorines apply today to the fight against terrorism. Substitute "Terrorism" for "Communism". What facts do you have to back up what you say about today's Republicans being no better than yesterday's RATS? Or is that just your own snobbish opinion?
"Apparently, you think interventionism DOES work. HOT NEWS FLASH! It doesn't. Unless by "working" you mean "brings terrorism to US soil".
You are the one who is WRONG!...interventionism DOES work. It's worked all the way back to the "Shores of Tripoli" and the Barbary Pirates. Show me one instance where terrorism has come to our soil since 9/11 (which was the result of Clintonian ISOLATIONISM)? You can't because we've gone to the root of the problem and are irradicating it. Show me one instance you can back up with fact where there has been an inistance of "terrorism on US soil" in the last almost 3 years. Didn't think you could find one. BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE!!!
"Except of course for the eight years of Clinton. You can't be serious that you can't find ONE example of conservatives going after Clinton with the same kind of invective can you?"
Dead serious. Funny I don't see Pres. Bush or his staff hiding FBI files to use as blackmail...sending IRS auditors to investigate people who speak ill of him, lying under oath, obstructing justice or destroying evidence like Clintoon and his cronies did. They opposed Clinton's policies yes and did so vigorously as they should. But the mand who had the audacity to accuse the Republicans of engaging in "The politics of Personal Destruction" was and is the master of what he claims to despise. We never heard day after day after day alleged "news reporters" and "respected columnists" with a daily caucaphony of comments about how stupid Clinton was or how he mispoke and the rest of the nitpicky downright mean things they say about Pres. Bush. The last time the media was this viscious in their coverage of a sitting U.S. President was when Ronaldus Magnus was in office.
"No, the country has stayed quite the same since we ripped prayer out of schools, legalized abortion, encouraged the pornography industry, push for gay marriage, euthanasia and a host of other things. You're right. In fact I think we're MORE conservative. I've seen the light!"
These things have been foisted upon us by the "if it feels good do it" libs in this country and RAT judges who see the Constitution as a living document not as it was originally written to be. The media attempts to portray these things as "normal" or an inevitable part of socitial evolution. But they are not in reality. If you could find an honest pollster (an oxymoron I know) to take a survey of "middle america" "flyover country" "red states" whatever you want to call them and ask them if they support the things you just mentioned I bet you'd find that 99% of the people don't want themselves ofr their families exposed to that crap. I certainly don't support any of that crap. The majority of this country HAS become more conservative. It just doesn't make good video on the 6p.m. news or a good front page story in the NY Times.
And guess what, the man you try to label as a "moderate" doesn't support or like or favor any of that crap either.
"BTW, I distinctly remember an interview where Hillary Clinton considered herself "very conservative"."
"Except of course for the eight years of Clinton. You can't be serious that you can't find ONE example of conservatives going after Clinton with the same kind of invective can you?"
Umm.. when have the Republicans commited vote fraud, voting by the dead, and had people murdered to stay in power and or out of jail?
And when have the Republicans blared through the press 24 hours a day 7 days a week nothing but negative ala John Kerry and CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC?
If you put any stock in anything Hillary says, there's a problem.
The woman is a pathological congenital liar, and mentioning anything about 'it' saying she considers herself as conservative merely shows either mere dishonesty or outright willful attempt to troll for the idiots.
To put it bluntly, the Dems LIE, often.
They hate everyone and everything, they hate freedom and hate this country.
They'd rather sell our secrets and country out to our enemies than see their power and outright control over everyone else's lives stripped away.
If you truly believe in 'relative truth' as your wording seems to indicate, then you are not conservative.
(Conservatives believe in abject truth and the idea that there is right and wrong.)
The point was that conservatism has been rendered virtually meaningless because anyone can define it as they want to without regard to any objective criteria. Which is why Rush is considered a conservative. Hillary is just much more obviously NOT a conservative.
"IOW, he isn't a moderate so show me something by a moderate that backs up your claim." He's got 14 years worth of shows to back up his claim. That is my proof.
Now who's being "lame"?
I have no idea why she's not there anymore and I could care less.
So what's the difference between ignorance and apathy again?
And by your answer of "pretty much" to your own voting record I take it there are some chances to vote that you missed too. Tell me that spelling on hypocrisy again?
Let's see, in college I couldn't tell you what the difference between a democrat and a republican was so voting didn't make much difference there. Right after I graduated I worked and I read. Since then, I have voted in every election including primaries. I was twenty. Rush who WAS politically aware and didn't vote until his forties after he was successful. But you're right again, I'm the hypocrite with tunnel vision not you or Rush.
For the record I never wanted to get divirced
I have heard this from every divorced person I have ever run across and yet, it happens. Mistakes were made. For the record there were times when I did want to get divorced but didn't.
(which was the result of Clintonian ISOLATIONISM)?
Clinton was an isolationist? Except for that little skirmish in Kosovo, not to mention Somalia. I do appreciate logic as well as honesty, which is why I have a problem when "Conservatives" think it's okay to LIE when it's about the democrats. Either that or pull that bizarre definition of isolationism out of your pocket and post it.
These things have been foisted upon us by the "if it feels good do it" libs in this country and RAT judges who see the Constitution as a living document not as it was originally written to be.
Again, dishonest. Nobody is "foisting" abortions on women, divorce on couples, pornography on internet users or drugs on drug users with the possible exception of kids on Ritalin. These are hard truths, you may not want to hear them, much less face them but try to be honest about this stuff, would you?
I think you may have misread my post. I most certainlt do NOT believe that Truth is relative, in fact my posts are largely a lament that e'en amongst conservatives truth is being seen as relative rather than objective.
"Wow. I shouldn't judge Rush based on 16 years on the airwaves but you can judge me from a few posts on FR. BTW, I'm very impressed that you improved on the actual words of Jesus."
Yep. Sure can. If there's one thing I'm good at, I can judge a person by the way they stand, walk, talk, or type. In just a manner of a few seconds, I can tell your whole biological make up. And I'm not kidding!
So don't presume to lecture me on morality when you yourself aren't perfect.
"Whatever,"dude".
Exactly my point. You nailed it for me.
Stop wasting your time, txradioguy. Anality has prevented them from seeing beyond the end of their nose. There is too many other important things to do rather than bicker with people that just don't get it.
Ha, ha...sorry I'm late to the show, but all appears to be well in hand at this stage of the game. Thanks for pinging me to it though; please continue to do so in the future. Hopefully I'll show up on time at least once, and get to join in on the fun... :-)
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