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Scientists Transfer Info Between Atoms (Star Trek Teleportation is REAL!)
Local 6 News ^ | 6-16-2004 | AP

Posted on 06/16/2004 1:54:18 PM PDT by vannrox

TED: 2:55 pm EDT June 16, 2004
UPDATED: 3:03 pm EDT June 16, 2004

In a step toward making ultra-powerful computers, scientists have transferred physical characteristics between atoms by using a phenomenon so bizarre that even Albert Einstein called it spooky.

Such "quantum teleportation" of characteristics had been demonstrated before between beams of light.

The work with atoms is "a landmark advance," H.J. Kimble of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif., and S.J. van Enk of Bell Labs in Murray Hill, N.J., declare in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Two teams of scientists report similar results in that issue. One group was led by David J. Wineland of the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colo., and the other by Rainer Blatt of the University of Innsbruck in Austria.

Teleportation between atoms could someday lie at the heart of powerful quantum computers, which are probably at least a decade away from development, Wineland said. Although his work moved information about atomic characteristics only a tiny fraction of an inch, that's in the ballpark for what would be needed inside a computer, he said.

His work involved transmitting characteristics between pairs of beryllium atoms, while the Austrian work used pairs of calcium atoms. Each atom's "quantum state," a complex combination of traits, was transmitted to its counterpart.

Key to the process was a phenomenon called entanglement, which Einstein derided as "spooky action at a distance" before experiments showed it was real.

Basically, researchers can use lab techniques to create a weird relationship between pairs of tiny particles. After that, the fate of one particle instantly affects the other; if one particle is made to take on a certain set of properties, the other immediately takes on identical or opposite properties, no matter how far away it is and without any apparent physical connection to the first particle.


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1 posted on 06/16/2004 1:54:21 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..

Science list ping (a subset of the evolution list). FReepmail me to be added or dropped.


2 posted on 06/16/2004 1:57:53 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yes, that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: vannrox

I would imagine they are getting sick of hearing "Beam me up, Scotty" quips right about now.


3 posted on 06/16/2004 1:58:21 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: vannrox
They don't really say in the article, but are they claiming that they have transferred information at a speed greater than the speed of light?

The "spooky entanglement" idea would seem to imply that it might be possible to do so, which brings up a lot of other weird problems.

4 posted on 06/16/2004 1:58:43 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: vannrox

This phenomenon is quite fascinating and hints at any number of remarkable possibilities. It also hints at a potentially vast realm of undiscovered physics. About two or three years ago I read a brief article about how they could use the spin in such atoms to instantly communicate across any distance using binary code. Someday that alone will be crucial to interstellar exploration.


5 posted on 06/16/2004 1:58:58 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: vannrox


Help me! Hellllp me!
6 posted on 06/16/2004 1:59:55 PM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: vannrox
Transporter technology is cool,
but I wish they'd work on the food replicators first.
7 posted on 06/16/2004 2:00:13 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: B Knotts

Just heard of this yesterday. If it is like quantum entanglement as it applies to photons, it is instantaneous at any distance.


8 posted on 06/16/2004 2:00:15 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: vannrox

"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all". Line from a comedy sketch. Bet no one knows which one.


9 posted on 06/16/2004 2:00:26 PM PDT by techcor
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To: vannrox
After that, the fate of one particle instantly affects the other; if one particle is made to take on a certain set of properties, the other immediately takes on identical or opposite properties, no matter how far away it is and without any apparent physical connection to the first particle.

Ansible.
10 posted on 06/16/2004 2:00:41 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
I found another article about this here:

Teleportation breaks new ground

11 posted on 06/16/2004 2:01:31 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: vannrox
Basically, researchers can use lab techniques to create a weird relationship between pairs of tiny particles.

Are we talking about gay marriage at the sub-atomic level here?

12 posted on 06/16/2004 2:01:31 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: vannrox

I don't think this bears any relationship to Star Trek transporters.


13 posted on 06/16/2004 2:03:59 PM PDT by Junior (Love isn't always on time. Sometimes you have to pay for it up front.)
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To: techcor

Is it from "waiting for the electrician or someone like him" or is it from "we're all bozo's on this bus???"

14 posted on 06/16/2004 2:04:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: B Knotts
They don't really say in the article, but are they claiming that they have transferred information at a speed greater than the speed of light?

Yes, see my post #5. As I understood the previous experiments, when they split atoms, the resulting particles had the same spin. If they reversed the spin of one particle then the other particle's spin instantly reversed with no time delay due to distance. By using that method, you could communicate instantly with binary code, or if you design a mechanism to respond to the atom's spin, then you could hypothetically control things by remote over any distance.

The particles appear to have some inexplicable communion with one another that operates outside our current conception of the physical universe.

15 posted on 06/16/2004 2:04:11 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: vannrox
Stupid Physicist Tricks. Ways to get a scientist's name into the papers for his 15 minutes of fame.

Remember when they "teleported" a photon?

"How do you know you teleported it?"

"Well, the one over here is the same as the one over there, int it?"

...then they admitted that they had a 'spare' photon over "here" just hanging around...

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Teleporting macroscopic bits of matter would involve either:

(a) moving gigantic amounts of energy at speed-of-light or faster velocities, and not destroying your equipment;
(b) moving gigantic amounts of information at speed-of-light or faster velocities and then using a tank of "stuff" to rebuild whatever was teleported. Unless you want two (2) copies you must destroy the original (the scanning process might do that anyway), which means murdering Commander Ryker #1, which might present some wee legal complications. If you don't murder Commander Ryker #1, we have two of him, same fingerprints, same SSN, same address. #2 owns one-half of everything owned by number One, and he can prove it.

Given that converting a human body to pure energy would probably liberate enough energy to destroy the Earth, both modes sound a little unlikely.

--Boris

16 posted on 06/16/2004 2:04:34 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Energize!

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

17 posted on 06/16/2004 2:06:29 PM PDT by mhking
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To: vannrox

Just a thought... if teleportation is possible, what happens to your intellect when your atoms get scrambled and reassembled? What about spirit? Does that get emailed as well? Like an attachment maybe?


18 posted on 06/16/2004 2:06:35 PM PDT by D_Idaho
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To: All
Some earlier threads (much earlier) related to this topic:
The Spooky Factor And Teleportation.
Teleportation Takes Another Step.
Quantum Teleportation and Computation.
19 posted on 06/16/2004 2:07:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yes, that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: techcor
Actually, it was an album, not a sketch... although there was a "sketch" of that name on the album.

Firesign Theater, and I believe it was their second album for Columbia in 1969.

How's THAT for entanglement.

http://www.firesigntheater.com

20 posted on 06/16/2004 2:07:39 PM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: Junior

The "fidelity value" of the transport, according to the article, is about 75% with entanglement but 66% without entanglement. Thus you would be only 25% fly with the new setup.


21 posted on 06/16/2004 2:07:58 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: AntiGuv
some inexplicable communion with one another that operates outside our current conception of the physical universe.

This theory would be the Inexplicable Communion Theory. Careers are changing as we speak.

22 posted on 06/16/2004 2:08:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Prospero

Damn, you beat me to it...

1st LP " waiting for the electrician or someone like him"..

my favorite is "Dont crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers"..

these guys are probably all lefties, like everyone else out here.


23 posted on 06/16/2004 2:10:48 PM PDT by Chuzzlewit (music, music and more music)
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To: Chode

"Waiting for the electrician or someone like him". Wow. I can't believe anyone got that one. And that quick. Congrats. I've watched Tripping the Rift a couple of times and you know I think Chode's voice should have been Jason Alexander's (like Duckman).


24 posted on 06/16/2004 2:11:19 PM PDT by techcor
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To: Chode; techcor; Nick Danger
[Techcor:] "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all". Line from a comedy sketch. Bet no one knows which one.

[Chode:] Is it from "waiting for the electrician or someone like him" or is it from "we're all bozo's on this bus???"

I don't recall, but we should ask Nick Danger, Third Eye!

25 posted on 06/16/2004 2:12:14 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: vannrox

Brian Greene's The Fabric of the Cosmos, that I'm reading now, covers this well. Good book!


26 posted on 06/16/2004 2:12:25 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: vannrox
Star trek teleportation is quite a stretch. From everything I've read it would require computing power that may very well be out of reach forever.

It would require computing power that could know where ever atom in a body is and what it's doing at any given moment. It would also require that power to know where every atom is and what its doing at the target location. Then you have to be able to convert the matter to energy and back to matter.

I believed Carl Sagan called it the one Star Trek technology that is forever out of our reach.
27 posted on 06/16/2004 2:12:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: vannrox

Call me when they get the 'Holodeck' and the '7 of 9 is your girlfriend' program working.


28 posted on 06/16/2004 2:15:01 PM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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To: Prospero
Actually, it was an album, not a sketch

You are correct, sir (or madam). This place is quicker than I thought. Eddie Murphy actually used one of their lines in a movie (Vampire in Brooklyn) which was "He's no fun. He fell right over." But I can't remember which album that was from.

29 posted on 06/16/2004 2:15:17 PM PDT by techcor
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To: Junior
I don't think this bears any relationship to Star Trek transporters.

Well, cut vannrox some slack. Declaring that "Ansible communication from Orson Scott Card's 'Ender's Game' and Usula K. LeGuin's 'The Left Hand of Darkness' is real!" might have been a bit obscure... :)

30 posted on 06/16/2004 2:15:17 PM PDT by TigerTale (From the streets of Tehran to the Gulf of Oman, let freedom ring.)
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To: Willie Green

Tea, Earl Grey, hot.


31 posted on 06/16/2004 2:16:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Ronald Reagan: 1015 electoral votes.)
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To: techcor

"Chrome fender dents, sneeze through window vents and a complete line of accessories designed with your mind, in mind"

"Nicky, Nicky, are you alright?
Yes
Then stop slapping me... ""

Good stuff. Thanks for reminding me...


32 posted on 06/16/2004 2:16:42 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (It's NOT a scandal, it's a WAR !!)
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To: AntiGuv

So how does this affect causality, if at all?


33 posted on 06/16/2004 2:17:36 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: vannrox

Beam me out of prison.

34 posted on 06/16/2004 2:18:30 PM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Petronski

I was thinking more along the lines of "Beer, Rolling Rock, Cold"


35 posted on 06/16/2004 2:19:27 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: jennyp
I don't recall, but we should ask Nick Danger, Third Eye!

Just remember- "Everything you know is wrong!"

36 posted on 06/16/2004 2:19:54 PM PDT by 7.63Broom (The Left- Poison for America's Soul)
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To: D_Idaho

Dang! You mean your soul will be owned by Big Brother Gates, and you'll have to get authorization to get to Heaven from one of yesterdays fry cooks?


37 posted on 06/16/2004 2:19:56 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: spodefly

Transporter psychosis. Is it real or just an excuse by liberals for antisocial behavior?


38 posted on 06/16/2004 2:20:46 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: vannrox

bump


39 posted on 06/16/2004 2:21:51 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Willie Green

Okay, you've got me there, but hey, don't you have a keg on tap in your home?


40 posted on 06/16/2004 2:22:03 PM PDT by Petronski (Ronald Reagan: 1015 electoral votes.)
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To: B Knotts
So how does this affect causality, if at all?

I'm not sure about causality, but it would seem to have ramifications for simultaneity, which since Einstein has been thought to be meaningful only within a particular frame of reference. Referring to simultaneous events across interstellar distances is supposed to be meaningless.

I don't understand the details, but that's what the theory is supposed to imply. Not sure where quantum entanglement fits in.

41 posted on 06/16/2004 2:22:26 PM PDT by TigerTale (From the streets of Tehran to the Gulf of Oman, let freedom ring.)
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To: B Knotts
So how does this affect causality, if at all?

It doesn't, at least not in the sense that most people think of it.

42 posted on 06/16/2004 2:22:34 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: boris

Assuming a 150 lb person, you would yield ~1636.36 megatons. You'd get a pretty big hole and maybe clean off a couple of hundred miles in radius, but the rest of the earth would be just fine...

Of course, if ask me, just .36 MT would be too much if were anywhere, but say, Fallujah or something.


43 posted on 06/16/2004 2:22:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: vannrox
researchers can use lab techniques to create a weird relationship... if one particle is made to take on a certain set of properties, the other immediately takes on identical or opposite properties, no matter how far away it is and without any apparent physical connection to the first particle.

Of course, lab techniques and weird relationships, why didn't I think of that!

Sounds very scientific.

44 posted on 06/16/2004 2:22:52 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: vannrox

I thought Willy Wonka invented this already.

WONKAVISION


45 posted on 06/16/2004 2:23:50 PM PDT by Feiny (I can resist anything but temptation.)
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To: TigerTale

But the folks that would gravitate toward a thread like this would have gotten the references.


46 posted on 06/16/2004 2:24:17 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: aruanan
Ansible.

Yup, but without all the wierd transdimensional metaphysics.
47 posted on 06/16/2004 2:24:57 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: vannrox

When Lex Luthor aimed a Duplicator Ray at Superman, without his knowledge, the result was Bizarro. An imperfect double of Superman with Super powers, but opposite from the Man of Steel. For instance, Green Kryptonite will kill Superman and not harm Bizarro. But Blue Kryptonite will. Superman's Fortress is in the Artic, Bizarro's is on a square planet in the Desert.


48 posted on 06/16/2004 2:25:53 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (luthor did it already)
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To: techcor

Firesign Theater


49 posted on 06/16/2004 2:26:15 PM PDT by Feiny (I can resist anything but temptation.)
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To: B Knotts
Teleportation breaks new ground

Are you sure you don't mean Teleportation passes through new ground?

50 posted on 06/16/2004 2:27:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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