Posted on 06/24/2004 7:35:57 AM PDT by ma bell
This is the differance between the mighty mighty Marine Corps and the obsolete US Army (of course, take the ribbing to heart Army...:) yes, I know, we are part of the Department of Navy, but it is the Mens Department.
I'm defending the Army and 82nd as they die in battle.
This creep, with no justification, is dishonoring men who are at risk and some dead.
Your complaint about me falls on death ears because I could say some nasty stuff about Marines, but I haven't.
There are recent pathetic things that have happened to Marines that could be mentioned - but I won't.
That debate was settled 3 pages back, it's not an Army cover.
Not that it matters.
Guessing that someone else has noticed, so I will not scroll on to find why this thread is so large, but the fellow on the right is Air Force, not Army.
no, but you could
As I said earlier, the greatest victories of American arms belong to the United States Army. Too bad you drank so deeply of the boot camp kool-aid.
That's pretty slick, but LTG Jan Huly-deputy commandant for plans, policy and operations, Headquarters U.S. Marine Corps-makes it pretty clear that this is Marine Corps policy when he says here: "Okay, I can't explain on the difference, but I'll give you a little background on why we go for seven months. During the mid- to late-1970s, the Marine Corps adopted a six-to-seven month rotation tour policy to meet our commitments globally...So, we adopted that construct many years ago.
I'm going to assume that you are merely stupid and not intentionally lying, but I could be wrong.
And here: "Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee met Thursday with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to dissuade him from changing the current length of tours for U.S. Marines deployed to Iraq, officials said.
Rumsfeld is mulling whether to increase the service’s seven-month rotation to a full year, as it is with the Army.
“Gen. Hagee is firmly committed to keeping the seven-month rotations in Iraq and met with the secretary to discuss that,” Maj. Jason Johnston, Hagee’s spokesman, said Friday. “We were at Camp Lejeune [in North Carolina] on Tuesday, and then, and in every speech and talk since then, he has been adamant about continuing the seven-month rotation cycle.”
Meanwhile 1st Armored Division and 2nd ACR have been extended for over one year. It's integrity check time numbnuts. Let's see if you have any.
The Army is where you put soldiers with higher intelligence.
You give the simply-operated weapons to the Marines.
You give the complex weapons to the Army.
"During the mid- to late-1970s, the Marine Corps adopted a six-to-seven month rotation tour policy to meet our commitments globally...So, we adopted that construct many years ago."
Do you really think that HQ Marine Corps sets force levels in Iraq? You really think that the CG of 1st Mar Div packed his boys up last spring and went back to Pendleton on his own? You really have maxed out at not so specialist, haven't you?
The Marine Corps deploys globally, constantly. The Army moves to and from training areas occasionally, doing most of their work where they're stationed. As far as Marine Corps Iraqi Freedom deployments go...guess who is replacing 1st Mar Div units this fall? Marines that are just now coming back from six months in Afghanistan. I know it is hard for a guy that usually deploys to the armory one weekend a month for coffee and doughnuts to understand...but catch up, please.
Oh by the way...the standard Marine Corps tour in Vietnam was 13 months. You seem adept at using Google...look it up for yourself.
I'm going to assume that you're a mouth breathing oxygen thief swimming in a shallow gene pool, and I don't think I'm wrong.
Yes. Yes indeed. The great American victories like when the 106th Division gave it up like a drunken prom queen at the outset of the Battle of the Bulge. Who can forget the valiant mass surrender at Kasserine Pass? Task Force Smith, melting and running like snow in July at the outset of the Korean war. Let's not even talk about the Chosin Resevoir campaign. Two companines of Marines running around Grenada at will while the vaunted 82nd Airplane let a few Cubanos stop them cold. The debacle at LZ X-Ray...the one after the valiant studs of Colonel Hal Moore's command stopped the VC cold.
I guess the big thing I have against the army is that they don't serve "kool aid" in their boot camp. Soldiers have no sense of their service's history. (But their Army College Fund forms are filled out.) Then again, with a record like this, I guess maybe it's just as well.
Yes. The Army gets complex weapons like the Sgt York that...doesn't get fielded because it doesn't work. And complex weapons like the Commanche...killed in its infancy after only a 20 year development cycle. I guess maybe those Russian tank regiments aren't coming through the Fulda Gap after all.
"More here: "During a Thursday meeting with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee made a 'good and compelling' case to keep the seven-month rotation, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Monday...'Seven-month rotations will be the way we will be doing business,' said Corps spokesman Maj. Jason Johnston."
And here: "Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee met Thursday with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to dissuade him from changing the current length of tours for U.S. Marines deployed to Iraq, officials said.
Rumsfeld is mulling whether to increase the service’s seven-month rotation to a full year, as it is with the Army.
“Gen. Hagee is firmly committed to keeping the seven-month rotations in Iraq and met with the secretary to discuss that,” Maj. Jason Johnston, Hagee’s spokesman, said Friday. “We were at Camp Lejeune [in North Carolina] on Tuesday, and then, and in every speech and talk since then, he has been adamant about continuing the seven-month rotation cycle.”
Meanwhile 1st Armored Division and 2nd ACR have been extended for over one year. It's integrity check time numbnuts. Let's see if you have any."
Yes. The Commandant used logic to persuade SECDEF that the Marine Corps can meet its requirements with a seven month deployment cycle. The Corps has operataional deployment committments above and beyond the 1st AD and 2nd ACR, and even the vaunted and lumbering "Big Army". The Corps can only meet those other requirements by maintaining a seven month cycle in Iraq.
The Corps will stand its ground wherever ordered. Now if only the Army had a better history of doing that...
I agree that it is impossible to know the consequences of a defeated France, but this I do know: nothing could have been worse than outcome of the peace treaty that ended WWI.
Do you really think that HQ Marine Corps sets force levels in Iraq?
They obviously determine how long Marines will be deployed-which is the point. When it was determined that more force level was needed, Army units-not Marines-got extended.
Since you know so much about the European and African theaters in World War II-why don't you tell us a little more about the great Marine victories in those campaigns? I'll wait right here. Why don't you also expound on the great Marine Corps victories in the Civil War? I promise to wait with rapt attention.
BTW numbnuts-I am also familiar with how the Army bailed the Marines out on Pelelieu at Bloody Nose Ridge. As another poster on this thread has pointed out-the Army made more opposed amphibious landings in World War II than did the Marine Corps. Isn't that supposed to be the Corps specialty?
I think the regular ARMY and the MARINES are a lot different, but the ARMY does have special units that are very close to the MARINES, but I am very biased I love all our military ,but my beloved MARINES will always be special to me, I married and retired with one.
AND our retirement checks still are from the department of the NAVY .
That is weird .
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