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Senate Intelligence Report LIVE Thread
CNN and Cable news ^ | July 9, 2004

Posted on 07/09/2004 7:59:17 AM PDT by TomGuy

Going on now. Roberts spoke, blamed CIA and intelligence agencies. Rockerfeller speaking, blames intelligence agencies and administration and (some) to the Congress.

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1 posted on 07/09/2004 7:59:18 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
Senate Intelligence

Has anyone found any?

2 posted on 07/09/2004 8:00:59 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Notice Rockefeller said that "some said Iraq was an imminent threat."

The ONLY person who said that was John Edwards.


3 posted on 07/09/2004 8:02:36 AM PDT by Howlin (I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country. ~~John Edwards, CNN, 2/24/04)
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To: TomGuy

Let me guess he will say there is no evidence that Iraq aided Al Qaida?


4 posted on 07/09/2004 8:02:37 AM PDT by TBall
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To: TomGuy

What is going on? I just tuned in and it sounds like some kind of rebuttle to the report. Is that what it is? Political views?


5 posted on 07/09/2004 8:02:59 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: TomGuy

I can believe these people, they have the World is wrong, WE are right


6 posted on 07/09/2004 8:03:01 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: TomGuy

Once again, the government investigates itself and finds itself blameless.


7 posted on 07/09/2004 8:03:19 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Hanoi John - Hanoi John - The Benedict Arnold of Vietnam)
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To: TomGuy
Sen Pat Roberts (R) read a list of examples of "exaggerated intelligence" that included items like "Iraq was developing UAVs".

huh? David Kay's report in Oct 2003 showed that Iraq WAS developing UAVs.

8 posted on 07/09/2004 8:03:59 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: Izzy Dunne; TomGuy

Let me ask you both this: all this information he is now trashing, didn't HIS committee have the same access as everbody he is now blaming?

Didn't Jay Rockefeller come out and give press conferences where he says that it was all very distrubing?


9 posted on 07/09/2004 8:04:03 AM PDT by Howlin (I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country. ~~John Edwards, CNN, 2/24/04)
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To: TBall

I had to turn channels before I shattered my tv screen. Rockefeller disgusts me.


10 posted on 07/09/2004 8:04:10 AM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: Howlin
NOTE how many time they say "How the intelligence was USED"
11 posted on 07/09/2004 8:04:26 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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My humble summary:
Roberts: The CIA is full of incompetency, inertia, miscommunication and institutional bias. More money and personnel will not fix this problem.

Rockefeller: I'm saddened this report only addressed the CIA role in this matter. I want to blame the President for CIA fiasco; more importantly, I want to write a report blaming Bush for forcing the CIA to give us flawed intelligence.


12 posted on 07/09/2004 8:04:55 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: sure_fine
Listening to this is making me ill. Months ago a memo was leaked to Sean Hannity outlining the use of this report to damage or destroy Bush. Stupid Republicans, will they never learn? I am SO tired of belonging to the stupid party!
13 posted on 07/09/2004 8:05:02 AM PDT by IVote2
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To: sure_fine
I had no doubt when this started they would be nothing but hind-sighted, grandstanding dotes with personal and political agendas

in my opinion, they have just compromised our nation more than anything else ever has

14 posted on 07/09/2004 8:06:20 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: TomGuy

President Bush better get off his buns and tear this nut (Robertson) and the report. Take off the gloves and hit this shit hard, or we will be living under Kerry and this country is lost.


15 posted on 07/09/2004 8:07:16 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!!)
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To: Squantos; sauropod; rightwing2; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

I just heard them dismissing the discovered WMD as being irrelevant since they were left over from other wars. I guess that means old Sarin, VX, etc cannot harm you.


16 posted on 07/09/2004 8:09:16 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: TomGuy

Rockerfeller: It's not political.

[Yet, he has made political statement after political statement aiming blame or at least a cloud at the administration.]


17 posted on 07/09/2004 8:09:17 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: LisaMalia

And remember: It was the Rockefeller clan who donated the land that the U.N. sits on, today. The U.N. also keeps it's accounts in Rockefeller-controlled banks. I disgusting and treasonous family, IMO.


18 posted on 07/09/2004 8:09:20 AM PDT by Az. Mike
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To: Howlin

Rockefeller makes we want to spit. I have been listening to this. The war in Iraq was not legit, lives were wasted, I would never have voted for it, blah, blah. He is really out to get Cheney. It won't work.


19 posted on 07/09/2004 8:09:27 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Izzy Dunne

Clinton appointee George Tenet fired. Problem solved. Move on...nothing to see here.


20 posted on 07/09/2004 8:10:01 AM PDT by mastequilla
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To: TBall

"he will say there is no evidence that Iraq aided Al Qaida?"

Very good guess.



21 posted on 07/09/2004 8:10:24 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: gilliam
"Is that what it is? Political views?"

Well, duh! The whole thing is nothing but political posturing. Do not expect anything of substance from those hearings.

22 posted on 07/09/2004 8:10:45 AM PDT by Designer (Sysiphus Sr. to Junior; "It was uphill, all the way, both ways!")
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To: IVote2
Listening to this is making me ill. Months ago a memo was leaked to Sean Hannity outlining the use of this report to damage or destroy Bush. Stupid Republicans, will they never learn? I am SO tired of belonging to the stupid party!

I can not understand why the repubs don't take atleast a defense instead of just rolling with the punch after punch after punch

23 posted on 07/09/2004 8:11:31 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: TomGuy
For democRats political IS policy. But it always depends upon what the meaning of IS is.
24 posted on 07/09/2004 8:11:45 AM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (A Fireman in the NAVY was promoted more times than Lieutenant junior grade John F'n Kerry.)
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To: tentmaker
I just don't get it. I will need to wait for a transcript of this press conference to go over the points, item by item, but it seemed clear to me that Pat Roberts list of exaggerations was not correct. This was pertaining to the NIE of late 2002, right? He did say these claims were not supported by the intel, not that they were flat out wrong, but still.... Is it possible that the Senate committee did not get to see some of the intelligence?

Again.... David Kay's report (which was preliminary) seems to belie many of the points that Roberts read.

25 posted on 07/09/2004 8:12:14 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: TomGuy

Kerry would have been there, but he's been too busy...


26 posted on 07/09/2004 8:12:19 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Become a Monthly Donor, and the Harp Seal gets it.)
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To: TomGuy

A bit earlier, Rockerfeller make a remark that someone had the theory that any WMD found in Iraq now were all old from the Iraq-Iran War.

[R is setting the foundation to discount any that might be found there. Thus, the lib/dems can still accuse the Admin for going to War wrongly.]


27 posted on 07/09/2004 8:12:35 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: Bahbah

Definitely a heavy dose of President Bush and VP Cheney bashing. Seemingly very hurtful. And in time for a whole weekend of TV talkies speculation.


28 posted on 07/09/2004 8:12:43 AM PDT by easonc52
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To: TomGuy
Congress gets a little blame? Oh, that figures, especially coming from that mealy-mouthed Rockefeller. Rockefeller spent all these years in the Intelligence Committee, under the Clinton admin and the Bush admin. To be fair, Bush only was in office 8 months as opposed to Clinton's 8 years.

Rockefeller, you're just an angry putz, you disgust me. Your angry because Bush is doing something about it, while Clinton swept it under the rug all those years hoping the threat of terrorism would go away on it's own.

Don't give me that pap that we have no coalition. The rest of the world can hate us all they want. Hate comes cheap, there's a price for respect, and you have to earn respect

29 posted on 07/09/2004 8:12:48 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (1969: Kerry was razing villages in 'Nam and Edwards was raising beer bombs in college.)
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To: TomGuy

By now I've grown to smile at oxymorons like the one in the title. I doubt these chumps could provide an accurate coherant report if it was handed to them only to carry five feet before opening.


30 posted on 07/09/2004 8:13:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: TomGuy

Intelligence??? Hahahaha!


31 posted on 07/09/2004 8:13:37 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: TomGuy

This news conference and the report are nothing more than buttcoverings for the Senate. They are creating cover for their own re-election efforts and to heck with the admin or the nation.


32 posted on 07/09/2004 8:14:20 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: easonc52

I think in the end the Democrats will open the door and bloody their noses.


33 posted on 07/09/2004 8:14:22 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (1969: Kerry was razing villages in 'Nam and Edwards was raising beer bombs in college.)
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To: TomGuy

I am so upset with what both senators are saying...
they act like the Clinton Admin. never had same intelligence.
Its outrageous the slant this report has.
Can someone tell me why they don't just think there were WMD, and that Iraq had time to hide/get rid of them during the lead up to war.
Just smells like Politics to me.


34 posted on 07/09/2004 8:14:43 AM PDT by go-ken-go
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To: IVote2
" I am SO tired of belonging to the stupid party!"

I know what you mean. Some days it is very frustrating, but I keep on trying to educate my fellow Republicans.

35 posted on 07/09/2004 8:14:53 AM PDT by Designer (Sysiphus Sr. to Junior; "It was uphill, all the way, both ways!")
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To: TomGuy

Smells like treason to me.


36 posted on 07/09/2004 8:15:40 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: mastequilla

I wish. No he moved on by his own choosing. I'd have asked for his resignation within one hour of being sworn in. I wouldn't have kept one Klinton holdover. Tainted goods! Clinton never hired a person he didn't have dirt on, or was so incompetent that he could control them. Hillary saw to that.


37 posted on 07/09/2004 8:16:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Bahbah

The whole damn lot of those Senate Democrats can all go %$#@ themselves, and ride out on those donkeys they all rode in on.


38 posted on 07/09/2004 8:16:39 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (1969: Kerry was razing villages in 'Nam and Edwards was raising beer bombs in college.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Senator Roberts very forceful on the position that there was no political pressure to obtain a result.


39 posted on 07/09/2004 8:17:09 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: LisaMalia
Rockefeller generosity and intelligence is limited t to giving dimes to children.

Demo rat side of the rino family.

40 posted on 07/09/2004 8:17:21 AM PDT by dts32041 (Gen Karpinski A bullet, A Gun, a Room, her only honorable solution (MP Officer Not))
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To: mastequilla

Tenet wasn't fired, he stepped down. Either way, you're right, he's gone.


41 posted on 07/09/2004 8:17:31 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (1969: Kerry was razing villages in 'Nam and Edwards was raising beer bombs in college.)
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To: TomGuy

It's scary watching these politicians. Their lack of caring for what is right for America is amazing.


42 posted on 07/09/2004 8:17:47 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: TomGuy
He had expected to say anything he wanted and escape without challenge.

But Fox News Channel's Tony Snow had a different idea. Snow thought it might be interesting to stick to the facts for a change.

This Sunday past, Sen. Rockefeller took a play from the Terry McAuliffe playbook and simply invented a convenient history. He told Snow and a national television audience that President Bush has alarmed the nation with a speech warning that an attack from Iraq was imminent.

Snow coolly played a tape of the president's State of the Union speech where he in fact said exactly the opposite. Bush warned the Congress that the United States could not wait for a threat to become imminent, to appear suddenly and without warning.

Snow then read from a speech that Rockefeller himself had given, one in which the West Virginia Democrat had proclaimed the threat from Iraq to be imminent.

Sen. Rockefeller was exposed and embarrassed and babbled on incoherently about what an average American should have inferred from the president's speech. I think he was close to proclaiming psychic powers when the interview – mercifully for him – ended.

Finally, a Democratic critic of the president had been obliged to confront the facts. It doesn't happen too often. On the same day, Slow Joe Biden was allowed by Tim Russert to repeatedly dodge the hard questions such as why he had voted for the war in Iraq if it seemed like a bad idea to him now. Few can filibuster like Joe, however, and Russert didn't corner him.

43 posted on 07/09/2004 8:18:13 AM PDT by Howlin (I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country. ~~John Edwards, CNN, 2/24/02)
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To: freekitty
It's scary watching these politicians. Their lack of caring for what is right for America is amazing.

It shouldn't amaze anyone that most politicians put party above country.

44 posted on 07/09/2004 8:18:38 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (1969: Kerry was razing villages in 'Nam and Edwards was raising beer bombs in college.)
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To: TomGuy


It's not us Senators' fault.
45 posted on 07/09/2004 8:18:48 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: All

I'VE HAD IT WITH THESE VERY PEOPLE CRITICIZING THE CIA, BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THEY NEED TO BE CONFRONTED WITH THE FACT ALL OF THE WORLD PUT OUT THIS INTELLIGENCE REGARDING IRAQ AND WMD, THERE ARE QUOTES FROM ROCKEFELLER, KERRY, EDWARDS, CLINTOON, ETC. THAT IRAQ WAS SUCH A THREAT. WHEN WILL THE GOP, ADMINISTRATION, PRESIDENT FINALLY MAKE THEM ANSWER FOR IT???


46 posted on 07/09/2004 8:18:49 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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To: Izzy Dunne

It is possible to gauge how damaging any press briefing will be by the number of reporters in attendance.

Swift boat veterans against Kerry -- 5 reporters

Senate Intel committee against Bush --500 reporters


47 posted on 07/09/2004 8:18:51 AM PDT by maica (Like Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: go-ken-go

Ick. Surely, there's a "My Mother the Car" rerun somewhere.


48 posted on 07/09/2004 8:19:23 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: TomGuy

I can't believe my ears. I guess everything we know is wrong, and these guys are right. How these guys can stand up and lie like this is apalling. These folks are dangerous.


49 posted on 07/09/2004 8:19:58 AM PDT by numberonepal (goodnewsamerica.us Fast News For Common Sense People)
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To: TomGuy
"President Bush better get off his buns and tear this nut (Robertson) and the report. Take off the gloves and hit this shit hard, or we will be living under Kerry and this country is lost."

Sorry but I meant Rockefeller. He is a ass.
50 posted on 07/09/2004 8:21:16 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!!)
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