Posted on 07/11/2004 8:31:23 AM PDT by The Wizard
One of the host of the John Batchlor ABC radio show just announced that there appears to be a report coming from Libya in Septmenmber that Saddam's WMD did exist and were being developed there, and that's why they weren't found in Iraq....
Exactly, the senate just released their report on intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq and they basically said that it was all bunk. Personally, I believe there is a trump card the administration has yet to play and were waiting until everything was rock solid and that the situation on the ground had developed to their liking.
Unfortunately, this may be after November. I believe that the integrity of the President is such that he is not going to release a speculative report in order to increase his political stock, and if the President loses in November, we will never know where the weapons and development teams went too.
...would explain this;
I certainly hope this will be revealed.
Earlier (a few months ago) I read something about a lot of nuclear scientists from Iraq being in Libya, but were paid by Saddam, to develop nukes for Iraq in Libya.
VOA just reminded me of an article I posted back in 2002, from BBC:
Iraqis 'infiltrated UK germ labs'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/790538/posts
"Some of Britain's top laboratories were infiltrated by Iraqi scientists researching germ warfare in the run-up to the Gulf War, a scientist has claimed. Iraqi scientists - financed by generous grants from the Iraqi government - reportedly applied for and gained research posts in academic and medical institutions."
I hope the mantra "Bush, the CIA were all wrong, and there were no WMD in Iraq, the war was a mistake" will explode in the Dems faces big time, BEFORE the election.
Well, here is another article, which is now at Rense, but originally published by US News, unfortunately there is no original publication date, but it appears to have been written during the Clinton Administration. Someone should get hold of that House Report.
Iraq's CAB Weapons:
Moving Targets
http://www.rense.com/political/weapons/movingtarg.htm
Iraq's CAB Weapons:
Moving Targets
Iraq has secretly built chemical weapons plants in Sudan, transferred nuclear materials to Algeria, and sent a dozen of its top scientists to develop a biological warfare complex in Libya.
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U.S. airstrikes cannot eliminate Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction for the simple reason that Iraq has smuggled many of them to other Arab countries for safekeeping.
That is the conclusion of a draft report by the U.S. House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare which was obtained by U.S. News & World Report magazine.
The report -- based on American, German, and Israeli intelligence -- says that Iraq has secretly built chemical weapons plants in Sudan, transferred nuclear materials to Algeria, and sent a dozen of its top scientists to develop a biological warfare complex in Libya.
The Clinton administration has dispatched three aircraft carriers to the Persian Gulf and is now building international support for a military strike to punish Saddam Hussein for defying United Nations weapons inspectors.
But "no bombing campaign against Iraq, and even an occupation of that country for that matter, is capable of destroying the hard core of Saddam Hussein's primary WMD [weapons of mass destruction] development and production programs,'' the congressional report states. "The reason is that under current conditions these programs are run outside of Iraq -- mainly in Sudan and Libya, as well as Algeria (storage of some hot nuclear stuff).''
The transfer of Iraq's nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons technology began even before the Gulf War. As Saddam Hussein realized that the coalition led by the United States was going to bomb his country in 1991, he hastily smuggled know-how, equipment, and key materials to his close allies. And the smuggling has continued right up to the present.
In March/April 1991, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz got permission from Sudan's president, Umar al-Bashir, to move about 400 Scud missiles and chemical weapons to Sudan for "safekeeping.'' At the same time, Iraq smuggled nuclear materials, documents, and weapons parts -- including 27.5 pounds of highly-enriched uranium-235 -- to Sudan via Jordan using diplomatic mail privileges. For example, barrels of uranium were hidden in a truck marked "furniture'' that went from the Sudanese Embassy in Iraq to Khartoum, the capital of Sudan, in January 1992.
Since Sudan has no nuclear facilities, most of the nuclear materials were later shipped to a Chinese-built research reactor in the Algerian town of Ain Oussera, where they are still being stored, according to the report.
In 1995, Iraq and Sudan jointly built a plant to produce choking mustard gas near Wau in southwestern Sudan. The chemical weapons plant is located in a former fruit factory staffed by Iraqi technicians. The gas has been used at least twice by the Sudanese government against the rebel Sudanese People's Liberation Army in southern Sudan.
In May 1996, the Iraqis and Sudanese tested chemical agents in the desert, and residents got sick when winds shifted suddenly and carried residues into the city of Omdurman.
Last year, Sudan and Iraq completed a far more sophisticated chemical weapons plant along the Blue Nile in the Kafuri region north of Khartoum. The plant is believed to have begun test runs of nerve agents and is producing 122mm and 152mm artillery shells as well as rocket and tactical missile warheads. Iraqi intelligence agents recruited experts from Egypt, Croatia, Bulgaria, and Russia to help with the plant according to the report.
The Iraqis also built a chemical weapons plant at the Yarmook Industrial Complex in the Mayu area south of Khartoum using German-made machines acquired by Iraqi intelligence and smuggled via Bulgaria. Computers were purchased in France. The site includes a mosque, medical clinic, and guest houses for foreign experts from Iraq and Iran. It even has a special farm to keep the "guests'' well fed on fresh milk, vegetables, and dates.
In 1995, the congressional report says, Iraq signed a secret agreement to provide Libyan leader Muammer Qadhafi with experts on ballistic missiles. Iraq also sent nuclear fuel and specialists to work on nuclear weapons development at a secret site in Sidi Abu Zurayq, in the desert about 240 miles southwest of Tripoli.
Since the mid-1990s, Iraqi agents have been buying sensitive technology in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, then diverting it to Libya. Late last year, Iraq sent some of its top experts in chemical weapons to the Libyan chemical weapons facility inside a mountain at Tarhunah, 40 milies southeast of Tripoli.
About a dozen Iraqi scientists involved in biological weapons research arrived in Libya at the beginning of this year. They are helping the Libyans develop a new biological warfare complex under the guise of a medical facility called General Health Laboratories. This secret program, codenamed Ibn Hayan, is aimed at producing bombs and missile warheads filled with deadly anthrax and botulism agents, according to the report.
Here is another article:
from Geostrategy-Direct, October 2, 2002
Report: Iraq may be developing its nukes in Libya
http://www.drumbeat.mlaterz.net/October%202002/Is%20Iraq%20developing%20nukes%20in%20Libya%20100202a.htm
Libya could be serving as a laboratory for Iraqi efforts to develop a nuclear weapon, a new report says.
The Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies in Israel said Libya does not have the technical infrastructure for its ambitious medium-range and nuclear weapons programs. The center said in a report that Libya has launched or revived strategic programs since the United Nations suspended sanctions in 1999.
Last month, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon accused Libya of cooperating with Iraq in developing nuclear weapons. Sharon said the effort, which includes North Korea and Pakistan, might have been financed by Saudi Arabia.
The report said that even with Iraqi help Libya would need at least a decade to construct an industrial base. Should Libya achieve success, it would become the second Arab nuclear state after Iraq.
"There is little doubt that Libya is pursuing a nuclear weapon program," the report said. "But Libya clearly lacks the capability to proceed on its own and is totally dependent on foreign assistance. If this assistance is discontinued for any reason, the project cannot proceed."
Libya operates a Soviet-made, 10-megawatt research nuclear reactor in Tajurah. Over the last two years, Russia has renewed nuclear cooperation and has helped renovate Tajurah.
BTTT
A report "from Libya." Oh please.
I remember Fox had a guy who still works for them say he was certain OBL was in Western Iran hanging out and we would hear about it in a couple of weeks...of course that was around a year ago.
Sorry to but in but what "are" you talking about?
THIS was not "made up".
October 22, 2001, CNN
Khidhir Hamza: Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi weapons program
http://www.cnn.com/2001/COMMUNITY/10/22/hamza.cnna/
Dr. Khidhir Hamza was educated in the United States, then was deceptively persuaded to return to Iraq by Saddam Hussein, where for over 20 years he was forced to work at developing an atomic weapon. In 1994, he defected to the U.S. Embassy in Hungary. Dr. Hamza now works as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Energy, and is the author of "Saddam's Bomb Maker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda."
HAMZA: Saddam has a whole range of weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, biological and chemical. The nuclear program is his primary weapon, and that would give him the ability to use the biological and chemical better. According to German intelligence estimates, we expect him to have three nuclear weapons by 2005. So, the window (actually, he's being careful right now), will close by 2005, and we expect him then to be a lot more aggressive with his neighbors and encouraging terrorism, and using biological weapons. Now he's using them through surrogates like al Qaeda, but we expect he'll use them more aggressively then. There could also be the angle of him using nuclear weapons through surrogates also, if he can achieve it.
HAMZA: I think there are several links between Osama and Saddam. The Iraqi ambassador in Turkey, Hajazi, visited Afghanistan, and met with Osama and his associates. He's a powerful figure in Iraq. There are several reported meetings between him and Osama's associates. Osama was sighted in an Iraqi hotel in 1996, by the lawyer for Arkan, the Serbian leader. [Regarding] the reported sighting by the Czech intelligence of Mohammed Atta, and the Iraqi intelligence agent -- to do this meeting, Atta had to drive from Germany and Czechoslovakia, a long drive, meet him, and go back. Which means it was an important meeting for supplies, coordination. It couldn't have been by accident.
Many other meetings were reported between Osama associates and Iraqi intelligence. There are reports by Iraqi defectors of bin Laden's people being trained in Iraqi terrorist camps. They are credible stories, because they don't contradict each other. They confirm each other in types of training, places, the people trained. In a covert operation like this, you don't expect much more information. There will be no smoking gun. All sightings confirm a multi-layered coordination between Saddam and bin Laden, in terms of training, support, and supplies. That could have included anthrax.
How very interesting! I hadn't heard this before. Remains to be seen how, or even IF this whole story will be handled in the lap-dog press.
There was a link in that article, it just didn't show up as a link for some reason.
THE FUTURE OF LIBYA'S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION PROGRAM
http://www.cdiss.org/col99apr27.htm
I agree.
No, I am remembering a highway project of some type, and rathern than infrastructure, a tunnel (that was used to moved WMDs) was hiding them when the inspectors showed up. It was specifically related to WMDs and North Korea.
I do remember the one about Arafat. In fact, that's where several of the genocidal murders were picked off by IDF a few weeks back.
So much information to retain...it's almost impossible.
I just want to tell Kerry et al to shut the F up, but nice hobbit moms don't do that.
Peach, please make sure you ping me to any relevent info. Thanks much!
Why are they waiting to release it in September?
Didn't the Libyans get the machines that dug the channel tunnel...(I guess a FRENCH contractor)....?
Batchelor and Loftus have to keep up with Mansoor Ijaz in producing exciting, interesting.....nonsense.
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