The love that dares not neigh its name

Cox News Service ^ | July 13, 2004 | Jay Bookman

[backinthefold]

anyone else sense a change in the ozone? a troll lurking??

[Jayhuck]

Do you really think that the APA just decided one day to say that homosexuality wasn't abnormal without any scientific evidence to back it up. If they can't measure normality, than the disorders they have diagonsed and labeled aren't worth anything.

[Poohbah]

"The love that dare not speak its name" now doesn't know when to shut the f*** up!

[Sloth]

I would very much like to fall in love and be in a relationship with someone of the same sex some day. Are you telling me I shouldn't?

Yes. I would certainly not try to legally prevent you from forming that relationship, but I am also unwilling to have my tax dollars used to endorse such a relationship as "marriage."

[Poohbah]

There's just something inherently funny about a homosexual marriage article by Cox News Service.

You better not ever lecture me about my mind being in the gutter (c8

[VOA]

"What's next?" Braves pitcher John Smoltz said, when asked his opinion about
gay marriage. "Marrying an animal?"

Probably. In the world of the Prof. Peter Singer at Princeton...

[subterfuge]

"That's really odd. I know lots of gays and lesbians and I'm pretty sure all of them would disagree with this. I can't imagine a single one saying they chose to be gay."

So you've actually discussed this with "lots" of homosexuals? Consider that for them to admit that they chose their 'lifestyle', well, that would make them feel guilt. It would make them responsible for their own actions. They can't handle that. And it just wouldn't agree with the leftist propaganda thats been spread in the last few decades.

[Jayhuck]

Thanks sloth....this is an opinion I can actually agree with to some extent, although I think, along with Dick Cheney and his wife, that the states should be able to make up their own minds on this issue. The government doesn't need to step in. Why is it that most Republicans are against big government, except when something some of them consider important is threatened.

[VOA]

Time and time again, when opponents of gay marriage and gay unions are asked to explain
their position, their real underlying concern turns out to be a rather odd fear
of bestiality.

Looks like the author is either not listening to about the real 90% of the other
"moral speed bumps" mentioned in the discussion, such as incest, polyamory, and pedophilia.

I'm NOT saying those are objective of the gay marriage advocate...just going with the
Rick Santorum line of "how will you deny those as 'rights' if you
find a right to gay marriage?"

[Jayhuck]

yes subterfuge, we CHOSE to be gay. We choose to be ridiculed and mocked in school, we choose to be threatened verbally and physically, we choose not to be able to marry the person we love.......Why wouldn't anyone choose to be gay with all these benefits??????? Whatever!

[headsonpikes]

You are just acting on YOUR instincts when you look at an attractive person...

NO! One may have 'instinctive' responses, but any ACTIONS you take(apart from blinking!) are your free choice.

You are not a lab rat!

[Taliesan]

Do you really think that the APA just decided one day to say that homosexuality wasn't abnormal without any scientific evidence to back it up.

There is ample evidence that is precisely what they did. The APA, like the AMA and the ABA, are political organizations.

But you could clear it all up real quick: what was the new "scientific evidence" by which a condition was declared to be no longer "abnormal", but "normal"?

You are confusing distinct disciplines. Do you not understand that this is a value judgement, and not a scientific conclusion? You can describe the chemical and anatomical attributes of a condition, but the decision of whether or not it is "normal" or "abnormal" is a value judgement. Some such value judgements are obvious (cerebral palsy is abnormal), some are not. But we didn't NEED any science to tell us that cerebral palsy is abnormal.

[Billthedrill]

I'm heartbroken. I thought "at last we have true social justice." So I gathered my courage and proposed to my goldfish.

She's gay.

[Taliesan]

Homosexuals awaken to their same-sex attraction just like you awakened to your sexual identity at puberty. To them, it seems genetic.

[Jayhuck]

There is also a good argument to be made, that they, the APA, were able to use the evidence they had collected over the many years when they had viewed homsexuality as a disorder, to conclude that in fact, it is not, and does not meet the definition. Again, its usually only a political organization when it says something someone doesn't like.

[headsonpikes]

I hate to sound trite, but there's plenty of fish in the sea.

[RightWingAtheist]

[Jayhuck]

There is no evidence that genetics don't play a part in the formation of a person's sexuality. Actually, more and more, there seems to be an understanding that both genetics AND the environment play a part in shaping sexuality, among many other things. Genes vary rarely act in isolation.

[Jayhuck]

Yes, this I agree with!!!!!

[Taliesan]

There is no evidence that genetics don't play a part in the formation of a person's sexuality. Actually, more and more, there seems to be an understanding that both genetics AND the environment play a part in shaping sexuality, among many other things. Genes vary rarely act in isolation.

I agree.