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8 years later, TWA 800 case just heating up!
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, July 16, 2004 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 07/16/2004 4:53:39 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/16/2004 4:55:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Last July 17, the major media made no comment that seven years prior, on July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800 exploded off the coast of Long Island, killing all 230 people on board.

If the media took note of the date "July 17" at all last year, it was only to observe that American soldiers had found it scrawled on walls throughout Iraq. July 17, after all, was Iraq's national liberation day, the day Saddam helped lead the Baath Party to power in 1968, the day he seized the presidency in 1979, and not impossibly, the day he took his revenge on the United States in 1996.

This year, as every year, thousands of TWA Flight 800 family members and other interested parties will honor the date. Among them is Capt. Ray Lahr. Just last week, the retired United Airline pilot learned that his case against the National Transportation Safety Board and the Central Intelligence Agency is still on track. On Monday, Aug. 2, Lahr and his attorney, John Clarke of Washington, will square off against the NTSB and the CIA at the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

Lahr is hoping to force the NTSB and CIA to disclose the data upon which they based what Lahr calls "the impossible zoom-climb." As the agencies and Lahr both understand, the zoom-climb is the Achilles heel of the TWA Flight 800 investigation.

The FBI first publicly advanced the zoom-climb scenario when it bowed out of the case in November 1997. Its agents did so to negate the stubborn testimony of the hundreds of eyewitnesses who had sworn they saw a flaming, smoke-trailing, zigzagging object destroy TWA Flight 800.

To make its case, the FBI presented a video prepared by the CIA. A key animation sequence in that video showed an internal fuel tank explosion blowing the nose off the aircraft, which then "pitched up abruptly and climbed several thousand feet from its last recorded altitude of about 13,800 feet to a maximum altitude of about 17,000 feet." This rocketing aircraft, claimed the video, looked like a missile and confused the eyewitnesses.

This animation was essential to close the investigation. Without it, there was no way to explain what these hundreds of eyewitnesses – many of them highly credible – had actually seen. A veteran safety investigator and a serious researcher in the field of gravity, Ray Lahr watched this animation in utter disbelief. He knew this scenario to be impossible, and he set out to prove it. When he learned that not a single eyewitness had seen the plane ascend, including airline pilots who had watched it from above, he redoubled his efforts to discover the basic physics behind the alleged zoom-climb. For the last several years, however, despite numerous FOIA requests, the NTSB has refused to cooperate. The impressively stubborn Lahr finally took the agency to court.

Lahr has done an excellent job pulling the sometimes-fractious TWA 800 community together to assist him. Many key people have filed sworn affidavits with Lahr, including retired Rear Adm. Clarence Hill, and their collective commentary has to impress even the most skeptical of observers. All of this evidence, including the court papers, can be found at RayLahr.com, as well as in past articles on WorldNetDaily.

One question that has never been resolved is just how the CIA animation project came to pass. Two recent books, however, do shed light on the dynamics of the video's creation. One is the much-discussed "Against All Enemies," by Richard Clarke, then chairman of the Clinton administration's Coordinating Security Group on terrorism. The second is Murray Weiss's recent and highly readable book, "The Man Who Warned America," on the subject of John O'Neill, a terrorist expert with the FBI who died in the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.

Within 30 minutes of TWA Flight 800's destruction, Clarke relates in his book, he had convened a meeting of the CSG in the White House situation room. "The FAA," Clarke reports, "was at a total loss for an explanation. The flight path and the cockpit communications were normal. The aircraft had climbed to 17,000 feet, then there was no aircraft."

Clarke here serves up two significant untruths in a book replete with them. The first is that the Federal Aviation Administration was at "a total loss" for an explanation. In fact, it was the FAA that prompted the meeting and did so for a very specific and frightening reason: Its personnel believed the aircraft had been attacked. As NTSB Chairman Jim Hall would report in a confidential November 1996 report, "Top intelligence and security officials were told in a video conference from the White House Situation Room that radar tapes showed an object headed at the plane before it exploded."

Clarke also deceives the reader about altitude. The FAA never reported an altitude of 17.000 feet – nothing close. The FAA knew that the last recorded altitude of TWA Flight 800 was "about 13,800 feet" as even the CIA animation later admits. In the retelling, Clarke pads in the zoom-climb differential on the night of the crash and attributes it falsely to the FAA.

Weiss, who had excellent access to O'Neill's FBI colleagues, gets much closer to the truth as to the motive behind the emergency White House meeting. "The FAA," he writes, "initially reported spotting a radar blip on their tapes that indicated there was another plane or projectile near TWA Flight 800 when it exploded." This much is true. Weiss, however, is misled on his next point, namely that the FAA told the FBI one day later that "there was no blip. There were no missiles picked up on the JFK scanners." The sighting was an "anomaly."

In truth, to its credit, the FAA refused to change its story despite the pressure to do so. When in November 1996, the NTSB leaned on the FAA to "agree that there is no evidence that would suggest a high speed target merged with TWA 800," the FAA refused.

"We cannot comply with your request," the FAA's David Thomas responded. "By alerting law-enforcement agencies, air-traffic control personnel simply did what was prudent at the time and reported what appeared to them to be a suspicious event. To do less would have been irresponsible."

To set the record straight on this issue, Ray Lahr persuaded one key witness, James Holtsclaw, to go public for the first time. In 1996, Holtsclaw was serving as the deputy assistant for the Western Region of the Air Transport Association. Within a week of the crash, Holtsclaw received the radar tape directly from an NTSB investigator frustrated by its suppression. "The tape shows a primary target at 1200 knots converging with TWA 800, during the climb out phase of TWA 800," swears Holtsclaw on the Lahr affidavit.

In fact, before the investigation was through, authorities would introduce five different explanations to rationalize away that "blip." This obvious dissembling may explain why investigators felt the need to smuggle out evidence. Holtsclaw's informant would be the first of several – at least four of whom would be either suspended from the investigation or arrested.

Within weeks of the crash, the FBI would interview more than 700 eyewitnesses. By its own count, 270 of them saw lights streaking upward toward the plane. Defense Department analysts also debriefed some of these witnesses, 34 of whom, according to the FBI, described events "consistent with the characteristics of the flight of [anti-aircraft] missiles." There were also scores of witness drawings, some so accurate and vivid they could chill the blood.

About four weeks after the crash, Clarke reports in "Against All Enemies," he met with O'Neill, who told him that the eyewitness interviews "were pointing to a missile attack, a Stinger." Given what the FBI knew at the time, this much seems credible.

"[TWA 800] was at 15,000 feet," Clarke allegedly responds. "No Stinger or any other missile like it can go that high." One would think that on so sensitive and contentious a point, Clarke would have made an effort to get the altitude of TWA 800 right or even consistently wrong. He does neither. In his scarily sloppy book, the boastful Clarke finesses credit for the zoom-climb and, in a stunning revelation, seizes full credit for deducing the exploding fuel tank part of that scenario even before the NTSB did.

Clarke, however, has had a hard time keeping his story straight. In an earlier New Yorker article on O'Neill soon after Sept. 11, Clarke tells reporter Lawrence Wright that it was O'Neill who insisted that TWA Flight 800 was out of the range of the Stinger, and O'Neill who believed that the "ascending flare" that the witnesses saw must have been something else, like "the ignition of leaking fuel from the aircraft."

Weiss likewise gives all credit to O'Neill for the zoom-climb scenario, thinking that it is indeed "credit" O'Neill deserves. Weiss contends that O'Neill not only conceived the zoom-climb scenario, but that he also "persuaded the CIA to do a video simulation of his scenario." Under an eight-panel recreation of the zoom-climb in the photo section of his book, Weiss writes that O'Neill used the CIA video simulation "to quash any fears that the disaster was a terrorist event." This last point is tellingly true.

Clarke and O'Neill have not been the only two agents angling for credit. The best-documented claim, in fact, comes from "CIA Analyst 1" during his April 1999 grilling by a few honest, rank-and-file NTSB investigators. As the CIA analyst relates, the zoom-climb insight came to him like an epiphany. He traced the moment of awareness to the precise hour of 10 p.m. on Dec. 30, 1996.

Said the analyst, "There was a realization, having all the data laid out in front of me, that you can explain what the eyewitnesses are seeing with only the burning aircraft." The analyst came to his startling conclusion after reviewing only about 12 percent of the interview statements. The CIA did no interviews of its own.

What puzzled the NTSB guys was just how many eyewitnesses actually saw a plane with a ruptured center fuel tank rocketing upward with burning fuel spewing behind it (especially with the center fuel tank being essentially empty at take-off). The CIA cited only 21 witnesses. But as the questioning of CIA Analyst 1 wore on, it became clear there were fewer still. An NTSB investigator finally sighed in frustration, "If it's only one or two of [the eyewitnesses], it's not representative of all of them."

Analyst 1 then pulled out his trump card, his key witness, the man who had seen everything: "That [zoom-climb] is something that a few eyewitnesses saw. The guy on the bridge saw that." As we have documented on these pages before, the man on the bridge saw no such thing. The CIA or the FBI (or both or Richard Clarke) manufactured an interview with this man, Mike Wire of Philadelphia, out of whole cloth. Wire's "second interview" is the most crucial bit of evidence in the entire investigation, the evidence around which the zoom-climb scenario was created, and it's fully and provably counterfeit.

Whether Clarke or O'Neill or the CIA analyst were responsible for the zoom-climb scenario individually or together is not relevant to technicians like Ray Lahr. Nor has he focused on how an FBI middle manager like O'Neill could have breached the historic wall between the two agencies and enlisted the CIA in a project that would take at least 11 months from conception to execution. No, what most troubles Lahr is how three men with no discernible aviation or engineering experience could possibly have used any science whatsoever to arrive at such critical conclusions.

The truth of the matter proves elusive. The CIA analyst lied shamelessly in his testimony. Richard Clarke lies shamelessly throughout his book. The jury is still out on O'Neill, but the evidence is not encouraging. As Weiss well documents, O'Neill maintained a wife and two children in New Jersey and simultaneously cajoled at least three women in three different cities into thinking that he was going to marry them. What is more, despite maintaining two households, O'Neill somehow managed to live extravagantly on a government salary. In an otherwise flattering profile, Weiss concedes of O'Neill, "He always seemed to be lying about some aspect of his life."

Whether O'Neill helped conceal the demise of TWA Flight 800 remains unclear. Although Weiss attributes both the zoom-climb scenario and the final TWA 800 report to O'Neill, no reporter made this connection while he was alive. In her book on the crash investigation, "Deadly Departure," CNN reporter Christine Negroni does not even mention O'Neill. In her FBI-friendly book, "In The Blink of an Eye," AP reporter Pat Milton pays O'Neill little heed, but she does reveal that upon hearing the news of the crash, John O'Neill's first call went to none other than Richard Clarke, and it is O'Neill, Clarke's best friend in the FBI, who plays the role of tragic hero in "Against All Enemies."

Ray Lahr will leave it to other courts to establish who was the architect of the greatest peacetime deception in American history. His interest is the zoom-climb scenario itself, according to Weiss, "the most significant part" of the final case-closing FBI presentation.

"A little basic physics," adds Weiss naively, "helped explain what witnesses saw and heard in the summer skies off Long Island." Lahr is hoping that the federal courts will finally force the NTSB and CIA to explain finally what those "little basic physics" are.




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KEYWORDS: clarke; clarketreason; clarkeweasel; concpiracy; conspiracy; klintonkommies; richardclarke; treason; twa800; twaflight800
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Comment #121 Removed by Moderator

To: CyberAnt

try reading post 102...


122 posted on 07/16/2004 1:35:22 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And if it was friendly fire, friendly fire from where?

You didn't answer my question.

The only answer I have to yours is:


123 posted on 07/16/2004 1:38:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The only answer I have to yours is...

Did you bother to read the article? The "eyewitnesses"? The missile came from shore. No wait, it came from the sea. Oh, no, wait amoment, it was fired by an airplane. It was red. No, it was orange. Wait a minute, it was pink, or was it green? Maybe there were 6 missiles?

124 posted on 07/16/2004 1:41:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: texasbluebell

Thanks, didn't have time to find that this AM.


125 posted on 07/16/2004 1:45:04 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Did you bother to read the article? The "eyewitnesses"? The missile came from shore. No wait, it came from the sea. Oh, no, wait amoment, it was fired by an airplane. It was red. No, it was orange. Wait a minute, it was pink, or was it green? Maybe there were 6 missiles?

There is a common denominator you seem to be discounting.

They all said some missile-like object struck the plane.

Now it's your turn.

Show me evidence of a single spontaneously combusting jet fuel tank, other than TWA Flight 800.

Put up or shut up.

126 posted on 07/16/2004 1:46:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: FreedomPoster; pctech

Yeah, but what if you fired the thing out of
a cessna while flying at at 3000 feet?


127 posted on 07/16/2004 1:49:36 PM PDT by Hanging Chad
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Yeah, sure, but what do you REALLY think?
(seriously, I apppreciate your analysis,
and I found it thoughtful and a good read)


128 posted on 07/16/2004 1:57:31 PM PDT by Hanging Chad
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To: JohnHuang2

BUMP!


129 posted on 07/16/2004 2:21:22 PM PDT by Pagey ((Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou- Socialist))
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Marvelous job. Thank you!


130 posted on 07/16/2004 2:32:54 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So we're faced with a group of publicity shy terrorists?

State sponsored terrorists usually keep their mouths shut. I don't recall any claim of responsibility for the Locherbie Scotland crash.

We spent years figuring that one out.

My guess on Flight 800 is payback from Iran.

131 posted on 07/16/2004 2:32:59 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

I read the first sentence .. and you lost me!!


132 posted on 07/16/2004 2:37:33 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: America is the Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"They all said some missile-like object struck the plane."

Actually, exactly none of them said that. Perhaps TWA 800 conspiracy theorists would be more successful if they didn't insist on making things up to support their theories.

133 posted on 07/16/2004 2:39:51 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Your time line is all off. The Olympic Park Bombing happened in 1996, BEFORE the other bombings in 1997 (clinic and night club) and 1998 (Birmingham).

In 1996, Rudolph was an unknown. That's why they went after Jewell.


134 posted on 07/16/2004 2:42:25 PM PDT by Tazlo (I need to get a tagline)
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To: 1rudeboy

Probably banned for not toeing the party line.


135 posted on 07/16/2004 2:53:48 PM PDT by Critter (...an online gathering place for sissy boy, girlie men, nanny staters.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

I really don't know.


136 posted on 07/16/2004 3:06:10 PM PDT by Melpomene
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To: Atlantic Friend

All along the south shore of Long Island, on beaches, on boats, in waterfront back yards...

My brother was on his boat, he was one of the first boats on the scene, and besides a fishing trawler, was the only metal hulled boat able to navigate the burning debris.

The Coast Guard, and Suffolk PD had fiberglass hulled vessels and had to stay clear. The Navy (proven to have been in the area that night) did not sail to the scene.

My belief is that the Navy knows how the plane was taken down, and knew that no survivors would be found, and therefore did nothing to aid the search.

My bro sailed in and out of the burning wreckage all night, retrieving bodies, mostly still strapped into their seats. He doesn't talk much about it. I imagine it must have been rather horrific.


137 posted on 07/16/2004 3:08:17 PM PDT by Critter (...an online gathering place for sissy boy, girlie men, nanny staters.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump for future reference.


138 posted on 07/16/2004 3:09:03 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Vinnie

>>My guess on Flight 800 is payback from Iran.<<

That's what I've always thought too. Too many people saw a bright light (or two lights) that looked like a flare, rising up from the horizon, followed by a muffled explosion (which they didn't see), to discount their testimony. I don't think a MANPAD was used though, something bigger. Something radar guided, with a proximity fused warhead. Something more in the size range of a SA-6, or Improved Hawk. The firing unit and targeting radar could have been secured to the deck of a relatively small ship and sailed into a pre-selected position in the aircraft's flight path. After the deed was done, the launcher and radar could have been pushed over the side , or in the case of a self-propelled unit like the SA-6, simply put in gear and driven over.

Was there any suspicious ship movement detected in the area that the rising light(s) appeared to come from?


139 posted on 07/16/2004 5:21:34 PM PDT by MarshHawk
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To: Red Badger
I thought the original theory of bundled high voltage wires arcing inside the fuel tank was bogus from the get-go.

There is no HIGH voltage wiring in the fuel tank.

And yes, it's essentially kerosene, and demonstrably will not ignite unless the temperatures are way above ambient, or else the fuel has been turned into an aerosal, such as by an impact, or warhead detonation pressure wave.

140 posted on 07/16/2004 5:39:42 PM PDT by longshadow
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