Posted on 07/16/2004 7:28:46 PM PDT by MikalM
Passengers on a gay cruise were greeted by more than 100 protesters as they stepped off their chartered ship Friday in the Bahamas.
The protesters, led by Christian pastors, gathered in a square in front of the cruise terminal and chanted, "Gay Ways are Not God's Ways!"
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I'm bored. Sorry.
Especially sweaty old men with women's panties on their heads.....and homosexuals pounding out frantic responses. Let us be tolerant.
Most of my friends have had letters to the editor printed, they are active in local politics, chambers of commerce and living their lives. Being "gay" is not what drives them, they either have jobs or run their own businesses.
I've got nothing but respect for Tammy Bruce and what she is doing......
I have to admit there is no greater theater than to see an agenda loathing gay go after one of the activists...you would have to see it to believe it.
These people I describe are out there, but just like any paid activists for any cause, the "in your facers" are dangerous to those who don't toe the line. And many of my friends are afraid for their businesses........and rightly so. So they do what they do without the cameras in their face.
I don't blame any of them - they saw what happened to themselves and to me regarding the issue of smoking bans - every time we made print or broadcast the hate mail and threatening phone calls skyrocketed. There is only so much abuse anyone can take.
My 2 main super politically active gay friends will not sign up for FR because of the viciousness of how homosexuals are treated here..........they read here on a regular basis and are totally amazed about how much abuse I take because of my stand on the issue. And are even more amazed that I am willing to keep doing so.
Wake up and smell the roses, FRiend.
I also have known many people who were afflicted with this disorder, and it is a sad fact that what they say to straight friends and what they really think quite often have little in common.
You are full of Barbra Streisand. You've got no clue.
The very fact that you know he's a homo tells you that he wants *more* than to be left alone.
The fact that you have no idea how I found that out tells me you want to make *more* of something you know nothing about.
There are few things I despise more than a bigot denying the bigotry.
I've got a major thunderstorm rolling in, and my dogs are not happy about it - I bid you goodnight.
The point that is important - even if there is a great silent majority of conservative homosexuals who oppose the radical "gay" agenda - is that the "gay" agenda IS having huge success in transforming the moral climate of not only the US but Europe and ultimately the rest of the world.
Homosexuals in the priesthood resulted in boys getting molested. That's the poster child for the "gay" agenda.
Homosexuality is a disorder, and should not be promoted as normal, benign, or as similar to being black or another (in the US) minority. It is a behavior, and it is a non-benign behavior. And people can change not only their actions but their attractions. It can be done, just as heroin addicts, smokers, and adulterers can change. Not all can, but many can - if one is determined.
Furthermore, it is absolutely wrong for homosexuality to be indoctrinated into kids. I know that is odd grammar but I am too tired to figure out a better way to say it. Homosexual activists are targetting kids in schools with clubs, classroom activity, and here in CA, mandatory K-12 pro-"gay" cirricula.
I do not hate people who act or identify as being homosexual. I do hate the radical "gay" agenda, and if I am condemned by you or others for speaking my mind, then I can only conclude that those who condemn me approve of the "gay" agenda.
I resent you calling disapproval of homosexual promotion 'bigotry". Nothing but Newspeak. Read Orwell and you'll know what I mean.
Considering same sex acts unhealthy, and their promotion wrong, is not bigotry.
Cayman's are changing...
Homosexuals and lesbians
are touring Grand Cayman
more and more.
My daughter manages this place
and the Hyatt's condos.
http://ticondos.com/
As a smoker, you putting me in the same category as heroin addicts, adulterers, and homosexuals costs you much respect in my book.
I will reread your post later........the storms are getting closer and my dogs are getting antsier - I must log off and bid you a goodnight.
I am merely comparing habits which are known to not be benign, and can be changed. I used to be a cigarette smoker, pot smoker, alcoholic, and serious serial fornicator. I am not any more, because I decided I didn't like doing those things any more, and changed.
I am not equating the seriousness of those various habits. Obviously heroin is in a different league than Marlboros, or whatever people smoke nowadays.
LJ,
I have been struggling with witnessing to homosexuals myself. I try to do it at least once a day while at work. At first I was unsuccessful until one day I sat down and really prayed about this. What I realized is that my entire approach was just an argument to whatever the these people were doing or saying.
Now what I do is share what it is like to have "true freedom" under Christ. THEN as they ask...which they usually do....I counter all the lies of their behavior. Which I must say is quite easy because of FReerepublic. I'm lucky because these people have to deal with me everyday at work. LOL...they can't run away and hide so that just have to listen to me when I walk by. I know that I have planted a seed deep in their heart. Hopefully I can get them into a church soon. Just think about the support they would get if we could get them into good church.
They might: if there were some Scripture showing that it is wrong.....
I disagree. Normally I'd agree with you that disrupting someone's vacation would be a waste. However, this was also a very public celebration intended to legitimize what many would consider deviancy. If the demonstrators slightly tainted the celebration of a much publicized vacation of aberrants and deviates, I'd say something was accomplished.
NIV John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.KJV John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.ASV John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.LIT John 3:16
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NIV Genesis 18:21
that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."KJV Genesis 18:21
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.ASV Genesis 18:21
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me. And if not, I will know.
Well, there's Camille Paglia, who is a libertarian gay -- that drives the total to two! But Camille's a libertarian, not a Leftie. She's more a blue-collar, union-label Democrat with a girlfriend. It's the Left tradition, not the libertarian tradition, to bash people over the head and pull all that Saul Alinsky attention-getting crap.
You're right about the cruise -- it's a kind of demonstration. "Hey, look at us, we're lovin' life and havin' fun --- and screw all you hets who aren't HRC-positive!" It definitely has a political dimension. And the Bahamians were well within their rights to object to being made scenery in a gay street play.
One other quibble: "Nazi" does not equal "right wing". The National Socialist German Workers' Party was a Left party -- a socialist party that, with themes of nationalism and national betrayal, reached out to former Army officers as part of their program of power-seeking.
Moosehead: Actually, discussing the Nazis in a context where we are discussing gay-radical politics and propaganda (and the cruise had a propaganda element, otherwise Rosie would have advertised it to lesbians in lesbian media and not gone public about it) is fully appropriate, inasmuch as the founders and leaders of the NSDAP and their "street" wing, the SA, were overwhelmingly homosexual or bisexual. Ernst Roehm, the leader of the SA, was a brutal and sadistic pederast who went through the Hitler Youth like a hot knife through butter, and the SA command staff were all pretty much the same way -- when they weren't catamitizing for Roehm.
There have been lots of fascist movements -- Belgium had one, there were the Falangists in Spain and Mussolini in Italy (his daughter Alessandra is living testament to Il Duce's heterosexuality -- he typically had 10-12 women a day), there were the Silver Shirts in America (the Nazi Club at Harvard was the biggest in America, in 1940 -- and it was big!), and even Britain had Oswald Moseley. But none of them ever remotely approached the viciousness and bloodthirstiness of the Nazi upper crust. The $64,000,000 question is -- did the viciousness of the Nazi leadership have something to do with their homosexuality rather than their political programme? They were studiedly antisemitic -- now why was that? Couldn't have been a way of "getting even" for Leviticus and Judaeo-Christian norms of propriety, could it?
So the next time someone draws a comparison of the "Human Rights Campaign" to the Nazi Party, think before you answer. The tactics are very similar -- hell, Madsen and Kirk told their gay readers in The Guide that they were going to copy Goebbels -- the ferocity is very similar, the Act Up! tactics are very similar, and quite frankly the hatred of mainline, "non-reconciling" Christianity mirrors the ferocity with which the Nazis, in power, bullied dissenting Christians, consigning many of them to concentration camps. And the pink triangles? Homosexuals who wound up in the camps weren't there just because they were homosexual -- oh, no, it wasn't quite that simple. They were homosexuals who didn't toe the Nazi line, gays like Tammy Bruce and Camille Paglia who didn't go along for the ride. That's who got the pink triangles.
The Nazis were objectively evil; their acts personified it. The gay "rights" campaign is doing many of the same things the Nazis did during their rise to power, and I predict that they, too, will attempt to persecute "non-reconciling" congregations and individuals. Fred Phelps may be a cranky circus act, and he may even be a provocateur as someone suggested up the thread -- but if the gays win it all and Hillary becomes president, there's a prison cell in Fred's future.
And if I thought there was a prison cell in my future because of what I believe, I'd be cranky, too!
[You, quoting me] I'd rather spend time arguing with Michael Moore
[You, dumping a shoulder] Then argue with him, dummy. Instead, you argue with me.
I argue with you because you're the kind of Republican who's worse than an enemy. Guys like you give the store away, mumbling "whatever" as you turn over the keys to West Point.
And if you don't go along with him, he'll try to get your job -- or at least get you to shut up, whatever that takes.
Bingo bump.
Then why are you complaining about dsc and not the gay fascists? They started all this, they've been merchandising their cause for 15 years now with heavy, committed media support for the last 10, and it's completely their issue?
And you pick on a defender?
I have no idea where you think I am condemning your for your position on the "gay" agenda, nor where you get the idea that I approve of it. I do neither.
What I do condemn is the broad brush many use to paint all homosexuals as approving the activist agenda. It is no different than saying all Democrats are leftist socialists and all Repbulicans are members of the religious right.
Generalizations in general are not a great way of convincing others of one's position.
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