Posted on 07/19/2004 11:31:46 AM PDT by veronica
Catholic doctrine has called for a Catholic confessional state as the ideal, and yet Catholicism has learned to adapt to modern religious pluralism in a secular democracy. And since not all Moslems living in western countries are terrorists, then it is certainly possible for Islam to coexist with liberty. And of course more Moslems should speak out against terrorism, and too few have (although it is not the case that none have), but unless they are espousing and promoting terrorism, I don't see how religious liberty, which I am surprised none of the posters here seem to give a darn about, can survive.
Obviously, the practice of any tenets that harm others cannot be tolerated. But that is a very different thing from saying that nothing of that religion should be practiced. Frankly, I'm just disgusted at the antipathy to religous freedom, a core value upon which our nation was founded. True conservatives should know better -- for shame, all of you!!!!!
"Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda. Again, if religious freedom means anything, it is that people are free to practice their religion so long as it does not harm others. If individuals are engaged in fomenting or preparing violent acts of terrorism, then by all means, throw the book at them. Proscribing an entire religion is not narrowly-tailored."
Except that their religion requires them to harm infidels, ie: all people that don't practice Islam and wont convert are to be killed. That would be me.
The first amendment doesn't authorize anybody to kill fellow citizens in the name of God. Any religion that commands it should be banned, and anybody that practices it should be expelled.
Not all Moslems interpret their relgion that way, and if they do not implement violent jihad, then I don't see any grounds to prohibit an entire religion.
The first amendment doesn't authorize anybody to kill fellow citizens in the name of God. Any religion that commands it should be banned, and anybody that practices it should be expelled.
Who ever said the First Amendment authorizes murder? I certainly never said that. If someone is committing a crime by inciting or practicing violent activity against others, then criminal charges hould ensue. The First Amendment allows free exercise of religion so long as no one else is harmed. I think it ridiculous to bar islam tout court rather than outlawing criminal and harmfule activities in a narrowly-tailored way. You are undermining religious freedom and the First Amendment, and believe me, the Left will be gunning for the Christians next once the First Amendment restrictions are gotten rid of.
I agree with you completely. Violence, and conspiring to commit acts of violence, are already against the law. Running roughshod over the Bill of Rights isn't the way to preserve our liberties.
"...to ban a religion is simply going back to the bad old days..."
Crapola! Islam is a dangerous cult, not a religion.
"Not all Moslems espouse the ideology of the Islamists like al Qaeda."
Double crapola. A "good" Muslim is one who hasn't yet killed you because he lacked either an opportunity or a weapon.
What is your intrepetation of the koran as pertaining to infidels?
My interpretation is irrelevant. But we should encourage those with beign interpretation and outlaw the practice of malign interpretations.
So who's interpretation is correct? (In other words, what are you basing your Pro Islam attitude on?)
Islam-list
If people want on or off this list, please let me know.
Got a better list for this one. Thanks!
Obviously!
Then we will just pick and choose what and how much to censor each religion, won't we? ;)
I couldn't agree more with you.
After all, you don't hear fundamentalists decrying the murder of abortion doctors without also saying "Well, they shouldn't have been performing abortions."
There are plenty of bad Christians but many, many more good Christians. There are plenty of bad Muslims but many, many more good Muslims.
"Not all Moslems interpret their relgion that way, and if they do not implement violent jihad, then I don't see any grounds to prohibit an entire religion."
How many Moslem leaders in this country are condemning violent jihad? If it were a significant amount, I might be convinced to agree with you. It isn't.
bttt
"...they want Islam banned in Norway."
Excellent, I'm quite close to wanting it banned in the US. I'm not quite there yet, but I'm real close.
Some Nrwegians showing some sense in this modern world.
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