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Is preserved a Dutch word for destroyed? Or were you refering only to sciences, the arts, ancient philosophy and literature that agreed with their point of view?
hmmm Jaxter -
somehow this reply is representative of a lot of responses here. It is of a deeply sociopathic (see DSM-IV for this) nature, and says so much, because it is beyond mere cynicism. I probably would aggravate your extreme fear and aggression if I would explain that Islamic culture preserved the sciences, the arts, and ancient philosophy and literature when the western world was a middle-ages madhouse and America was only populated with its Indian people. But I won't infuriate you. You might harm yourself.
When I reread my posts I see absolutely no whining. It's a mix of fact and opinion.
Of course I am not a troll. Funny that this site has a definition of the term entirely different from all other websites, but presumably that is unavoidable when dissenting opinions are unwelcome.
As for the 'evaporation' term: that one is very common with people whose unenviable task it is to count bodies and do identification jobs. People who die as a result of, say, the US 'Daisy Cutter' bombs do not stand much of a chance of having any of their even minutest body parts found after their horrific death. But you guys probably see such weapons as America's gift to the world nowadays.
As for his Presidency, Dubya dug his own grave with the attack on Iraq. And I welcome that.
Good heavens, is there no single American here who can see that Al Qaeda could start its operations from within Iraq AS A RESULT of that war? The citizens of Madrid experienced what the regime change meant for them firsthand.
Keep the debate going, though. It's a highly interesting forum for me.
Not once did GW say anyting about Al-Queda being the reason for this war
Not once did GW Say WMDs were in IRAQ
The reason for the war was because Sadam Huessain was hiding from the UN resolutions and would not abide by them.
We alone inforced the UN resolution that the UN was too scared to do. Get your facts straight...liberal pig.
A) You don't know anything about heaven.
B) Are you too stupid to remember that they 'started their operations' on over 3000 of our fellow citizens?
Your defense of Islam is laughable.
You consider yourself some kind of intellectual, but you defend 7th century barbarism.
Your ideology has robbed you of all ability to reason.
Are you too scared to answer my previous post?
And address the substance, if you have a shred of intellectual honesty.
Please document where Daisy Cutters were used in the invasion of Iraq. We used them in Afghanistan, but I don't recall them being employed in Iraq. ABC's materials says they were not used even during the first "shock & awe" campaign.
All the polls we have seen in this country show W to be ahead of John Fonda Kerry. The 9/11 commission itself has said that there were ties between Iraq and Al Queda.
You don't have to worry about infuriating me. I feel nothing but pity for girly-men who have to be rescued by the USA. Remember Hitler? Obviously not. We should have left Europe and it's smelly citizens to sort out their own messes. It ended up being a cesspool anyway.
Oh. Well, that explains the Taliban, doesn't it?
Please educate yourself.
The Crusades were a response to an Islamic invasion of Europe too so what's your point? What have they done that is worthwhile to humanity since?
Don't be scared now, try to answer the questions. You wanted a free exchange of ideas.
Commonly believed myth, like the "everyone thought the world was flat" myth. Totally untrue, of course.
While some areas of the Islamic subjugated hegemony did permit non-muslim culture to flourish (notably Spain) in spite of Korannic proscriptions, for the most part Islam merely used the existing knowledge without expanding it at all.
Meanwhile, Europe not only preserved previous Western culture, but evolved and expanded on it. The "Dark Ages" weren't dark; that is a Victorian era worldview that has not held up.
Thus, Europe had the Renaissance, while Mecca's adherents remained mired in the tenth century.
And what was so wrong with that? YOU may be steeped in a "middle ages madhouse" mentality -- whips, chains, bondage, etc.
Don't look down your nose at Native Americans.
Very interesting statement, but a half- truth. Islamic culture is still preserved as it was 1,000 years ago. Fortunately, Western Civilization has progress in the last, oh, 1,200 years. The Islamic so-called “culture” has not. One of problems with Islam (amongst many) is that it wants to make the whole of civilization retreat to a time 1,200 years ago. If you are okay with that, move to Afghanistan.
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Is preserved a Dutch word for destroyed? Or were you refering only to sciences, the arts, ancient philosophy and literature that agreed with their point of view?
That's called liberty. Some people are scared of it. We are not bound by law to follow the conventions of every other website on the Net like lemmings or sheep.
People who complain and gripe that they are being excluded from debate here and then refuse to engage in it are called trolls. It is disruptive and rude behavior and generally repugnant to people who value honest intellectual analytical thought.
I guess it passes for higher social intercourse in Dutch coffee houses and adolescent chat rooms on IRC but we, the proud the few the FReepers, here in the U.S. have evolved to a more enlightened level of communication. You stand on your own two feet and prove your case you don't offer up regurgitated rhetoric and complain when no one swallows it.
So far you've given nothing but leftist opinion. Your facts are only leftist opinion. Why don't you back up your misleading opinions with real facts? Prove to me that you are right about all the facts you have stated.
Others here have provided substantial evidence pertaining to terrorist links to Iraq before the war, WMD before and after war, human rights atrocites under Saddam.
No, mister leftist Dutchman....you are a liberal pimp...pawning off, on the unsuspecting, your liberal trash. It is amazing...we spent billions of dollars fighting the USSR and its supporters during the cold war to keep Europe free. And much of Europe has betrayed us by falling into socialism...the same totalitarianism we fought against.
At no time have daisy cutters been employed in Iraq.
Rhetorical tactic--begging the question. In this example two questions. First, America is a Western concept that existed long before this continent was brought to the attention of the kings of Europe. Second, how are Indians considered the original inhabitants when the evidence shows otherwise?
Is there no Dutchman here who cannot see that Al Qaeda was in Iraq and 82 other countries before the war in Iraq?
You're right. It did. That was a thousand years ago.
Europe and America moved forward...the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution. Islam, on the other hand, after taking a lead over the West during the Dark Ages, sat back and grew lazy, content to stay stuck in the 11th Century. And now, with the Wahhabis, they want to turn the clock back even further.
I find leftists such as yourself very funny when they defend militant Islam. You do realize that you're defending a belief system that is opposed to everything you say you stand for? As follows:
- Religious tolerance? All people must forcibly convert to Islam, pay the tax of the dhimmi, or die. Look at Saudi Arabia...no Christian churches allowed at all. Atheists will be the first infidels to get their heads chopped off.
- Women's rights? Women are chattel, property, no better than mules.
- Peace? Islamists believe in spreading Mohammad's word through forcible conquest, not missionary work. Islam has been spread by the sword wherever it's gone. It is a warrior "religion."
- Prisoners' rights? Sure, no problem, just cut their hands off. Or pluck their eyes out. Or just decapitate them. Tell me, what's your opinion on the death penalty? We know what Islam's is.
The contortions you types twist yourself into to defend Islam are laughable.
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