Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7
During the 1980s, renowned radio commentator Paul Harvey said something that I’ve quoted often to my friends. Opining about various wars and upheavals — in the Middle East, Central and South America, Northern Ireland, and Cambodia — Harvey said, “Sometimes you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”
During this election year — while the country is at war with shadowy terrorist networks, both here and abroad — Paul Harvey’s advice seems especially appropriate. Americans have already come up with various combinations of “Berger & Ketchup” to describe the relationship between former Clinton Administration national-security advisor Sandy Berger and presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (who is married to ketchup-fortune heiress Teresa Heinz-Kerry). Adding to that, I will say that Berger’s recently-abdicated title as an “informal advisor” to the Kerry campaign is starting to look a lot like the “unofficial spokesman” on the Wendy’s Hamburgers TV commercials. (Oddly, the Wendy’s theme has shown up in another of my articles about the Flight 800 mystery.)
The recent revelation by Sandy Berger that he removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives, and then “lost” them, has numerous implications during this election season. Berger was the national-security advisor to Bill Clinton, who is the most scandal-laden president in US history. Flight 800 was destroyed in mid-air during the 1996 re-election campaign of Bill Clinton. Another high-level Clinton insider — former White House chief of staff, turned ABC-TV news analyst, George Stephanopoulos — referred to the bombing of Flight 800 on the air. With that remark — and his associated description of being inside the “other situation room” in the White House at the time of the Flight 800 disaster — a direct link was made between Clinton and Flight 800. This link was, of course, overlooked by the “mainstream” news media.
So, what does this link between Bill Clinton and Flight 800 have to do with the current John Kerry presidential campaign? Well, perhaps nothing, except thatJohn Kerry also referred to Flight 800 as a terrorist incident in a televised interview. The problem is that, with the upcoming release of the final report of the “9-11” Commission, the general public will have the opportunity to refresh their memory about the link between Flight 800 and terrorism. Having spent years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, it is now impossible for Kerry to deny that he had access to information about any link between Flight 800 and terrorist acts. Therefore, if such a link is proven, then a line can be drawn between the downing of Flight 800 in 1996 and the “9-11” attacks in 2001. Again, because of his committee experience and his televised interview, Kerry cannot now distance himself from his comments about “9-11”. Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.
What is known is that there are numerous pieces of evidence that point to the involvement of a missile in the TWA Flight 800 disaster. What is known is that President Clinton issued an executive order that was targeted to silence the Navy SEALs that were on scene at the Flight 800 debris field in the Atlantic Ocean. What is known is that the FBI was very embarrassed when news of Bureau interest in missile technology became public. (Read the portion about the Teledyne fax to Dee Muma.) What is known is that the Navy SEALs are following the Flight 800 story. What is known is that there were other terrorist plots on US soil between 1996 and 2001. What is known is that the Clinton Administration ignored warnings about Operation Bojinka, and thus paved the way for the “9-11” attacks. What is known is that Clinton wanted to cover his tracks about the probable Bojinka—“9-11” link. What is known is that Berger is a close ally of both Clinton and Kerry. What is known is that Berger removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives. What is known is that those documents were related to information examined by the 9-11 Commission about the extent of terrorist operations in America prior to 11 September 2001. (operations that apparently continue today) What is known is that Bill Clinton and his ilk will do anything to gain and retain political power. And, just recently, it became known that Operation Iraqi Freedom had more justification than Kerry has admitted.
As this article is being written, a Federal appeals court is in session in Massachusetts. The topic is the secrecy over autopsy reports of the Flight 800 crash victims. As I reported last week, independent researcher and electrical engineer Graeme Sephton — vice-president of FIRO, and founding president of FOIAC — is winning so far in his lawsuit against the FBI. The suit is trying to force the Bureau to release autopsy reports, which allegedly contain proof of missile shrapnel in the bodies of Flight 800 victims. If the lawsuit is successful, then the official Clinton Administration story about Flight 800 will be blown to bits. The political explosion, however, will not only affect the elusive “Clinton legacy”. The fireball would also burn up the chances of John Kerry to become elected as President of the United States. And, with that would come the destruction of any potential pardons of criminal charges for culpability in a Flight 800 cover-up. And, the shrapnel from this explosion would also shred the hopes of other Democratic Party candidates, especially in Massachusetts. The timing of Berger’s revelation that he “lost” valuable documents — coming in between last week’s article about the lawsuit, and today’s court hearing — seems quite suspicious. And, the fact that the hearing is being held in Kerry’s home state certainly adds fuel to the speculation — especially considering that a Fox-TV news item mentioned the lawsuit on the Flight 800 anniversary last Saturday. It appears to me that Berger’s revelations about illegal activity are designed to take heat off Kerry, in the same way that Janet Reno’s raid on the compound outside Waco seemed timed to take media attention away from the indictment of Hillary Clinton.
Because of my own experience in the Air Force, I know that it might never be possible to determine which documents disappeared at the hands of Sandy Berger. When documents reach a certain level of classification, even the table of contents listing the documents is classified. Therefore, only people with that level of clearance, and a specific “need to know”, may be granted access to even the table of contents. Most members of the public do not realize that there are actually several layers of classification above Top Secret. If the Clinton White House did, in fact, engage in a cover-up of the shoot-down of Flight 800, then the most likely “classification authority” would have been Sandy Berger. He would have been under great incentive to hide the proof under the highest classification possible. Thus, even proof that such documents ever existed would be difficult to access.
Were the missing documents shredded, and/or burned? If so, then did Berger “fry” any records of the truth about the downing of Flight 800? (I had to make a joke about it, because, “Sometimes, you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”)
THAT to me is the most damning of his actions.
We need to see the missing docs, the millenium memo, etc. I want to know what was in them.
"Wardrobe Malfunction"
bttt
Another,....Los Clintonos Lab.....policy.....?
/sarcasm
More than pathetic... if we are to take their word for it, a bumbling idiot ran national security for 8 years. And if they are to deny that he is a fool then why exactly did he do it? The Democrats are boxed in. How stupid do they think the public is? Answer: Very very stupid. After all, oral sex isn't sex and perjury about an affair isn't a lie... and the Senate acquitted him?
Berger is a traitor, no matter what party he belongs to. He planned this and executed it and he needs jail time, lots of it.
I personally heard Kerry say that TWA 800 was a terrorist attack.
Supposedly Berg-ler took ALL the copies of a particular report.
What shocks me more than anything: we're dealing with PAPER apparently! Why aren't these documents digitized? .PDF format? Why are there no backups at a secure facility in Colorado?
It appears that if Sandy Berger "got to" every copy at the National Archive, then (perhaps) some of this information could be lost forever! HELLLLLOOOOOO! It's the 21st Century! It just shouldn't be possible.
We're also now hearing that the documents discussed airport perimeter security....
Our leaders refusal to prosecute the Clintons and their minons for anything meaningfull is in itself ridiculous....
No heads will roll over this either...the trail of bodies from Iran Contra Mena are nothing to our leaders...
Ok City, TWA flight 800, 09-11....some of those responsible are dead, others never got caught and went home to make more terror...too others have been set free....those who left the door open for them are still in power or waiting in the wings for more power...
Anyone who will claim otherwise...is simply viewed as a tin foil head...it will all go away...wait for the 'we the people' to simply 'foh ghetta boud it'...short attention spans coupled with a need for entertainment...plus a ton of disinformation fade many an evil deed into obscurity..
This too shall pass.....flushed down the memory hole
imo
You are making an assumption that may or may not be true as to whether all documents are digitized and stored elsewhere.
And guess what date is THE national day of Iraq, a holiday, celebrating Saddam's Baath party coup?
July 17th was also recently celebrated by Saddam holdouts in Iraq with massive car bomb attacks.
Read on:
"The White House is absolutely panicked that TWA Flight 800 might have been downed by a missile, because there is no defense; even Air Force One is vulnerable," observes Keating, the author of "The Final Jihad", a novel about international terrorism that employs predictive analysis.
"My sources within the intelligence community tell me government authorities may call it a bomb when indeed they know it was a missile that destroyed Flight 800."
Keating cites media sources which reported that more than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed separately told virtually the same story -- a bright plume of flame ascending rapidly from the surface which impacted an airplane.
A massive cover up is being perpetrated by the left and their cohorts in the media.
Assume the worst because the risk to Berger was far too great for this to be something simple.
How is it that a person can use their cell phone while looking over top secret documents? What are the procedures regarding top secret docs?
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......Cell Phone Cameras......and Box-Cutter-Knife-Cameras......?
/sarcasm
From the article: Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.
I am intrigued by the cover-up of what really happened to Flight 800. I clearly recall the initial reports and interviews of witnesses on CNN like it was yesterday and will always believe that Flight 800 was brought down by a missle of some sort.
My problem is that I am still having a rough time connecting the dots that lead directly to the Kerry camp. There appears to be a little bit of a leap here. Yes, I've heard John Kerry's and George Stephanopolis' (as well as others) reference to terrorism in regards to Flight 800 and Bill Clinton's immediate appointment of Algore to lead a committee to investigate and review airport security in the aftermath of Flight 800 is very telling. But, without knowing just what documents Sandy Berger "accidently" removed and subsequently "accidently" lost, this all appears to be spit in the wind. Everyone who has had a bone to pick with the Clinton administration seems to be using this opportunity to justify their conspiracies.
I am also a firm believer, based on evidence I have seen and read, that Vince Foster did not kill himself (at least, not at Fort Marcy Park) but how long will it be before somebody supposes that Sandy Berger was trying to remove documentation pertaining to Vince Foster's knowledge of Bill Clinton's campaign against terrorism because they have an affidavit from somebody testifying to seeing Vince Foster opining to a beggar on the street about the lack of effort in the administration to push through an anti-terrorism bill?
The point is that if people find out John Kerry knew that Flight 800 was shot down by a terrorist with shoulder launched missle, we are too far removed from the event for the majority of America to care. He's already on tape admitting to "atrocities" in Vietnam and a couple of dozen or so Vietnam era officers are on record as saying that based on their experience with Kerry, he is not fit to lead the country, what makes anyone think that Tom Brokaw and company are going to throw in the towel based on this new damning revelation?
I really want to disagree with you, but I've been making the same point on other threads myself. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we're wrong.
Now, try this analysis on for size:
The Clinton administration, facing an election in the coming months of 1996, have a choice:
i) Admit to a terrorist act and face the consequences of pursuing the truth; or
ii) Lie like a politician, claim it was an accident, and run on peace and prosperity.
Knowing what you know now about Clinton, Burger, Reno, Clarke, advisers Carville, Stephanopoulos and others, what do you think they chose?
Exactly.
Good background on how they use the research facility:
I think about all of the lives impacted by Flt. 800 as well as those involved in what has always looked like a cover up. A single murder demands justice, but this is murder on a grand scale.
And not just murder in terms of human life, but also of truth, of justice, of the integrity of our trusted intitutions like the FAA, the NTSB, the FBI and CIA, etc., as well as of reputations of companies like Boeing.
And all to protect the sorry butt of one man: Bill Clinton. A man whose legacy still needs to be written.
Whoops- forgot to thank you for the link- copied, saved, and already used.
Indeed - also, what type of cell phone does Berger have? One can obtain units that have photographic capability. Did Berger send photos of the documents to another person's e-mail account? This is possibly a situation of 1950s technology - archived "papers" - meeting up with 2004 technology for ill purposes. My reading of this so far is that the Clintons, Kerry, and their democrat mouthpieces(the media of course fall into the latter category) were involved in a national security compromise and now a major cover-up of profound interest given the clear and present dangers of today.
One problem with digitized docs and microfiche - they are more easily accessed and/or concealed by unauthorized people. In terms of digitization, they are also more easily erased.
Physical security of the computer itself is moot if the computer is connected to a network.
Electronic copies of paper originals (i.e.: the notes hand-written in the margins) would be an excellent idea, but not without security risk.
Mitigating the security risks is not easy, and not cheap -- but at Sandy Berger's level, it should be routine. The idea that one guy can stuff a few copies of a memo down his pants and "poof!" all knowledge of such a memo is forever gone is just shocking. I do not know what procedures are followed at the National Archives, and perhaps they are smart enough so that nothing was actually "lost" -- but the news coverage seems to indicate that Berger did some irrepairable damage to the Archives. All I'm saying: relying on paper is barbaric.
I wonder if the Saudis will ever admit that the downing of their flight over Newfoundland was a terrorist act...
There is no way, ever, that TWA 800 becomes about Kerry, and only a remote possibility that it becomes about Clinton.
It has always seemed to me that flight 800 was downed by a missile, but if so, then President Bush ought to know, and therefore ought to know about a Clinton coverup of same. Nobody on this thread is asking, let alone answering, the obvious question: if all this is true, why is Bush continuing the coverup?
And that committee came up with very stringent measures for airport security and the Airlines screamed bloody murder until Gore backed down and let them off only to have 9/11 happen. I think Tommy Daschle's wife had her hand in this also...
Bergers insane actions scream for a House investigation! As we speak, House Republicans are gearing up for this if more information is not forthcoming.
The Dems are working 24/7 to deflect Bergers damning actions. This life-long bureaucratic leech would not throw his career away for nothing!
Bingo! I believe you are right. It's the only thing that makes any sense in all this.
Out of all the 747s flying all these years, one suddenly blows up from an endemic wiring problem? What are the odds of that??? From what I've heard, the wiring design Boeing used is not unique to the 747, so how is it that only this one airplane has had the fuel tank exploding problem??? The official story is a nice story, but how about the truth this time?
House investigation??? Since when is the top secret records contained in the National Archives a House issue? This should be prosecuted by the appropriate authorities and if Berger is found guilty, he should get the appropriate sentence.
There was one "story" floating around that an off shore Navy ship was doing some "practice" rounds with missles and one missle was inadvertently fired by mistake resulting in the 800 flight tragedy....never heard anything after that. Strange how these stories seem to surface and then dip back down into the strange deep blue sea as the others....
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I don't close the door on any real evidence---bonmb, missile, whatever. But neither do I (as many Freepers do) believe it "HAD TO BE" a bomb or a missle. Sh*t happens, andsometimes a lot of people die when it does.
When you get into virtually any of the "conspiracy theories" about anything---JFK, OK City---it comes down to the fact that people don't want to accept that one or two individuals are capable of truly heinous acts without "outside support." Again, for the third time, if there is solid evidence, I have no problem with that. But to constantly accuse the FBI of "covering up" gets old, especially when two different administrations (one of which would have EVERYTHING to gain by revealing the "cover up") continue to stand by the report.
I agree with you vis-a-vis (pardon my french) the methods of securing digital data, and the fact it should have been done. I find it unconscionable if this putz-berger managed to delete from the national record even one scintilla of info. But, and it's almost as big as Hillary's, the klintoon admin was known for its obsessive need for approval, which in turn necessitated the need to make some things erasable (when you're going to write down something that may haunt you, do it in pencil - right?).
So, aside from a bad string of puns, I think this may be the end of a very, very long thread of conscious, deliberate decisions made in the klintoon admin that compromise national security. The neglectful method of storage of these drafts may have been the proverbial "pencil" that made the info erasable.
Now, where's my tin foil hat?
IMHO and knowing what I know about Aircraft, that plane was shot down. It's by who, just because we say terrorist, do we assume they are mid eastern men between 20 and 45 yrs?
GMTA
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