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Tribes enlist Arnie's help in fishing feud
The Scotsman ^ | July 24, 2004 | JAMES DOW

Posted on 07/24/2004 2:35:05 AM PDT by MadIvan

Native Americans demonstrating in Edinburgh yesterday Fish rotting in the Klamath river. The tribesmen are calling for fish ladders or other measures to allow salmon to move upstream. Picture: David Moir

NATIVE Americans embroiled in a dispute with the energy company ScottishPower have pledged to take their case to the governor of the State of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The tribesmen were in Edinburgh yesterday to demonstrate at ScottishPower’s annual meeting. They say dams owned by a subsidiary of the company have damaged their fishing grounds.

They publicly challenged the chief executive of ScottishPower, Ian Russell, to make a personal commitment to resolving the long-running feud.

Mr Russell, who held private talks with the tribes on Thursday, promised to take charge of the company’s negotiations.

But the chairman of the delegation representing the tribes, Leaf Miller, said he would bring further pressure to bear on the company by seeking Mr Schwarzenegger’s support.

Mr Schwarzenegger is one of only a small number of people with the power to intervene in the dispute and force a solution.

The row concerns six dams in the north of California owned by ScottishPower’s US subsidiary, PacifiCorp. Four tribes - the Klamath, Karuk, Yurok and Hoopa - say the dams have devastated the salmon stock in the Klamath river basin.

The salmon are an important part of their economy, religion and history, and the tribes are trying to persuade ScottishPower to modify or remove its dams to allow fish to migrate up-river.

A member of the Indians’ delegation - whose native American name is Mohiswaqs but who introduced himself at the shareholders’ meeting as Jeff Mitchell - made an impassioned plea for support from the mostly Scottish audience.

He said: "I want to thank you, the people of Scotland, for your hospitality and for allowing us to come into your homelands to speak to you in this way.

"My people have suffered enormous harm. We would like to see a full range of alternatives - consistent with our principles - to address the issues we have raised. I will come back here again and again until we find a solution."

Mr Russell replied that the tribes had his "absolute commitment" to finding an answer to their dispute. He said: "We completely respect the sovereign nations who are represented here today. They have behaved with great dignity."

ScottishPower is currently seeking a new licence to operate the dams from the US water regulator. The tribes are pressuring the regulator to insert a clause in the licence requiring ScottishPower to provide solutions such as fish ladders - which allow salmon to leap upstream.

Scottish & Southern Energy, the Perth-based rival to ScottishPower, has installed similar devices on some rivers in Scotland. Some of the Californian dams are too tall, however, to accommodate fish ladders, requiring different solutions.

As governor of the state of California, Mr Schwarzenegger can demand the regulator inserts guarantees to protect the tribes’ interests. Mr Schwarzenegger’s office was unavailable yesterday to comment on its intentions in the case.

Mr Miller said he would press for the governor’s support shortly. "We have had an initial contact with the governor’s office and I will take a campaign to them when I return to the US," he said.

"In fact, we believe we already have strong support from some of the state’s agencies, such as the Water Resource Control Board."

Mr Russell told The Scotsman he was unwilling to set a deadline to resolve the discussion. "Some of these licence applications can take up to ten years," he said.

Mr Mitchell said he hoped the company would report at its annual meeting in 2005 that the two sides had agreed a solution.

ScottishPower shareholders heard that the Indian tribes had spent more than three years in negotiations with the company’s American subsidiary. They have been pressuring it to add - of its own volition - the desired clauses into its licence application.

But when the company recently submitted its draft application to the US water regulator, there was no mention of the salmon issue. The document is understood to weigh 80lb and stand three-and-a-half feet high.

Mr Mitchell said: "My people have spent years in meetings with PacifiCorp, one week of every month. We have committed enormous resources and hard work. The company’s interest in the dams is a very small fraction of their energy production."

He said ScottishPower’s commitment to the environment on issues such as green energy was "impressive". Such concerns were in the interests of shareholders, he said, and he asked them to press the company to extend its consideration to California.

Molly White, from the Karuk tribe, who had travelled to the protest with her 14-month-old son, Nicknekich, said: "We hope the shareholders hear our message and we hope it has an effect, because the fish are dying and we cannot live without our fish."

The chief executive of PacifiCorp, Judi Johansen, said she was "100 per cent committed" to finding a solution to the tribes’ requests. She had joined Mr Russell in the talks with the delegation on Thursday.

Mr Schwarzenegger - also known as Conan the Republican and The Governator in American political circles - pledged recently to "fight like a warrior" for the people of California.


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To: fish hawk

When I complained to the Forest Service guy in Willow Creek, he just laughed and said it happened all the time, and there was nothing he could do. This was only one of quite a few lousey confrontations on that weekend. I learned my lesson, I stay away from the Klamath area and go over to the Sierras. The Maidus over there seem always kind and friendly.


21 posted on 07/24/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Can't the Dems ever offer a candidate that isn't a lawyer!!)
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To: Happygal; MadIvan

MadIvan, it's so good to see you!!

Happygal, yes, we had some "flareups" over this a few years ago, and this is just a step in the tribes* neverending plot to take over as much land as they can. Salmon was selling for $1.98 a pound and there are more fish than ever in the rivers. They want the damns breached. Period. There is alot of documentation of these
"indians" taking pickup loads of fish, mostly wasted, just because they can and that they have different laws than the rest of us regarding game, and well, most everything.

*tribes....okay, for example, the Klamath numbered around 800 when white man first encountered them. There are thousands now, and by their own admission, they invite anyone they want to be a tribe member. I'm more native indian than most of them. They've been paid off a number of times for their land, water rights, etc., but they just keep coming back. The US governement over the last 200 years has turned the "sovereign" indian tribes into a bunch of welfare whinners.

It's past time that this country and it's "Indian" affairs came into the 21st century. We should all be living under the same laws. This nonsense should not be happening in the USA.

You can find out more about this battle at www.klamathbasincrisis.org.


22 posted on 07/24/2004 10:54:37 AM PDT by AuntB ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own set of facts.’ R.Reagan)
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To: tertiary01

OBTW, my ex could pass as a full blood. His father had Tlingit reservation rights.


23 posted on 07/24/2004 10:56:14 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Can't the Dems ever offer a candidate that isn't a lawyer!!)
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To: fish hawk

"None of these tribes mentioned are "Casino Rich""

What about the casino on Hwy 97 just north of Klamath Falls?
Klaymoyah, or something like that.


24 posted on 07/24/2004 10:59:09 AM PDT by AuntB ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own set of facts.’ R.Reagan)
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To: AuntB
Thanks for the refresher on this AuntB. I can remember reading a lot about it a couple of years ago, when irrigation of farmland reached critical point.

When I was in Canada last year I understood that native Canadians had extended fishing rights over salmon stocks. (At least the Gitsan tribe did in BC where I was). While Canadians could only rod fish (I think) some of the tribes were netting salmon as they went up-river to spawn. I can understand them having fishing rights over their 'native lands', but jeopardising future stocks is not smart.

25 posted on 07/24/2004 11:00:17 AM PDT by Happygal (Kerry has a chin that could chop cabbage in a glass!)
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To: Jeff Head; redrock; Washington_minuteman; MadameAxe; amom; marsh2; forester; Grampa Dave; ...

Take a look at this one.


26 posted on 07/24/2004 11:01:10 AM PDT by AuntB ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own set of facts.’ R.Reagan)
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To: MadIvan; hubel458; Ben Ficklin; snopercod; forester; sasquatch
Now that the NAS has proven that the higher flow rates the Tribes demand from Klamath and Iron Gate dams do more harm to fish than good (because the water from those lakes is so warm), the jig on that gambit is up. It is now proven that there are no benefits to fish by breaching the dam. So, the tribes just change venues thinking the State of California and Arnold are a bigger bunch of patsies than even the Feds are.

The tribesmen were in Edinburgh yesterday to demonstrate at ScottishPower’s annual meeting. They say dams owned by a subsidiary of the company have damaged their fishing grounds.

Scottish Power has a generating facility near Klamath Falls that runs on methane from cow dung. It's an economic loser, but heck, they get Kyoto credits for consuming the methane. To get a nice fat return on that new plant, there's nothing quite like getting rid of the Klamath Lakes hydro station to abet an increasingly severe power shortage to bump that return.

It has been obvious since before the California Power Crisis that Scottish Power might look for an excuse to breach that dam. What is truly sad is that bird habitat will take a serious hit if they do, just as cutting back water to the farmers has done because the farmers used to feed the birds on their crop residues. Removing that dam will have serious environmental consequences for bird life on the Pacific flyway, unless there's an available substitute.

I would hazard that The Nature Conservancy (heavily bankrolled by British royals) is thoroughly behind this. As I understand it, TNC has been swiping water upstream of Klamath for a bird santuary of their own for quite some time now (probably illegally).

27 posted on 07/24/2004 11:50:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: AuntB

The loony left are working over time.


28 posted on 07/24/2004 11:58:03 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Interesting. You amaze me at how you are able to pull all these threads together.


29 posted on 07/24/2004 12:13:23 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend; snopercod
We owe a lot to Ed Hubel for his insightful comments from inside this mess. I just wish he could tell us where he gets this information. Consider his posts on this oldie.
30 posted on 07/24/2004 12:53:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I never see his posts and I have lost contact with him privately.


31 posted on 07/24/2004 12:58:01 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

His last post was in September, 2003.


32 posted on 07/24/2004 1:06:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Well I have an old address. Maybe I will try again.


33 posted on 07/24/2004 1:11:19 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: MadIvan

The fish die off that occurred several years back was due to parasitic infections (Colunaris and Ich.)The Klamath system is universally hot and apparently there were insufficient temperature cues to move the migrating salmon upriver, so they stacked up in large densities trying in a geological bottleneck. It was also a naturally low flow year, (but not the lowest on record.) A major portion of the colder Trinity River is diverted to the central valley (this should change in the future.) Emergency flow releases from the Trinity were used in subsequent years to prevent these die offs. This tear may be another critical year.

On May 10, sick and dying juevenile fish began to appear in fish screw traps on the Klamath River. A comprehensive fish survey was done on an 87 mile stretch of river from Klamath River to below Big Bar. Fish appeared to lack energy, some had bloated abdomens and showed signs of having disease. In samples taken above the Scott River’s confluence with the Klamath River, 0-50% of the fish showed signs of having parasitic Ceratomyxa Shasta and 60-95% showed signs of having Parvicapsula (kidney disease.) The natural incidence of these parasitic diseases in Klamath River fish is unknown. Studies are being done to learn more about it. It appears to be a substantial factor effecting fish population trends.

As for the dams, there is a large bass lake (Copco) behind Iron Gate. Removal of the dams would drain the lake. A lot of retirees have settled around the lake and their homes would be devalued by millions of dollars. There are also resorts in the downriver canyon which would be affected and white water rafting in the upriver canyon which would be affected.

Approximately 20% of Siskiyou County's tax income comes from the dams and PacifiCorp property in Siskiyou County. There is also the issue of sediment release from a breach of the dam and what that would do downriver. PacifiCorp studies also show that it is unlikely that salmon would survive very far above the current lake.

There are seven dams on the Klamath. Energy facilities are used to privide "peak" power when needed the most by consumers. Iron gate dam was built because the peaking operation made the river fluctuate wildly and killed several fishermen. If you ripped out Iron Gate, you would have to eliminate the upriver peaking facilities as well.

Siskiyou County is supporting efforts such as trucking or bypasses to bring the fish around Iron gate and Copco to see if they will re-establish using adaptive management techniques. This would minimize the damage to other people and the Copunty from ripping out the dams.

There is some information that without the dams, the natural flow of the Klamath became reduced to a much smaller volume of waterin the summer. This follows a similar hydrograph with other rivers in the system.

On the issue of sovereignty, the tribes are domestic dependent nations. Under Public Law 280, they are subject to the General and criminal laws of the State of California. They have the sovereignty to pass their own civil laws, similar to County government.

The Karuk are currently in the process of contracting with the Governor for a casino in Yreka.

I recently traveled through Hoopa and had a flat tire on a Sunday in a County car. A very nice young man and his mother helped me change the tire. They were very friendly. I have worked on several federal committees with the tribal fisheries representatives and, although we have butted heads once in a while, I believe we are beginning to develop a deeper respect for eachother's point of view.

The Upper Basin Farmers are caught between biological opinions requiring minimum lake levels for endangered sucker fish and flows for threatened coho. The NAR National Academy of Science -Research group) determined that hot water flows from the upper basin were not helpful. They are still currently required, none-the-less.

The lake and flow requirments have left farmers with a deficit of water for irrigation. So much so, that a few years back the Byreau of Reclamation cut off their water. Protests were held at the canal headgates, ceasing with a small release of water and the advent of 9/11. Many of the farmers and businesses went bankrupt or suffered heavy losses. Inadequate water allocations continue to plague the farmers.

Well that about sums it up.


34 posted on 07/24/2004 1:16:31 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Carry_Okie
Speaking of oldies, do you recall that Scottishpower is a willing participant in the World Bank Prototype Carbon Fund.

It's so funny that they are selling high-priced electricity to California and funneling the "profits" to Sri Lanka and Red China.

ScottishPower, Calif DWR Sign 10Yr Pwr Deal For About $1B

35 posted on 07/24/2004 1:36:21 PM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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To: snopercod
Speaking of oldies, do you recall that Scottishpower is a willing participant in the World Bank Prototype Carbon Fund.

To which I referred above. IIRC, they can only pull that in Oregon where they have a totally unconstitutional Kyoto compliance provision, but I little doubt that California pays into that fund when we buy power generated in Oregon.

36 posted on 07/24/2004 1:48:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: AuntB
Aunt B, the tribes around Klamath Falls Oregon are not really on the Klamath river. That is the Klamath Lakes area where the big fight went on about the sucker fish and the ranchers. I was only speaking of the tribes in the article. The Yurok, Karuk, and Hoopa. Yes there are casinos just about everywhere there are Indians now days but hardly any in isolated areas. For casinos to flourish there has to be population or major highways with tourists etc. Aloha
37 posted on 07/24/2004 2:09:29 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk; tertiary01
Very good people and peaceful.

Very true.
We're headed for the river next week for a week or so. Hope you're well.
We may head West for a while this Fall.
Aloha,
S.
38 posted on 07/24/2004 2:59:13 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: marsh2; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; Iconoclast2; Grampa Dave; Issaquahking; AuntB; Jeff Head; ...
"Siskiyou County is supporting efforts such as trucking or bypasses to bring the fish around Iron gate and Copco to see if they will re-establish using adaptive management techniques. This would minimize the damage to other people and the Copunty from ripping out the dams."

Geeze! I saw a fish "elevator" at the mouth of the Klamath in the 1970's while on vacation!!!

It was an ingenius contraption being used by an American Indian. He had his Ford tractor hooked to a cable which in turn was hooked to a huge net that extend clean across the river that elevated all the fish that happened to be blocked, waiting to get around the net... RIGHT UP THE BANK AND INTO HIS PICKUP TRUCK!!!

Who the heck needs fish "ladders?" Just put a big net at the base of each dam, hooked to a large crane and lift 'em over!!!

Arnold could have a great "Photo Op" busting a can of compressed envirobullshit repellant over the bow of the crane!!!

So let's see now... If we breach the dams and drain upper Klamath Lake, the endangered short nosed sucker fish ALL die and migratory waterfoul get stranded and the Klamath dries up to a trickle each September/October.

The farmers then all go to the cities and live on taxpayer money and vote for Democrats to keep the money flowing. The rafters and power companies are all left up a well known tributary without the necessary accessories and CA industry shuts down without enough affordable energy at peak periods and the $15 Billion bondage defaults...

Have I got the scenario figured out yet??? If not... Will one of you please straighten me out???

39 posted on 07/24/2004 3:55:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp (LEGALIZE TRADITIONAL AMERICAN FREEDOM!!! Oh! And legalize liberty, too! While you're at it!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Fish elevators are in use on the Columbia. They work.


40 posted on 07/24/2004 4:04:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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