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Osama being treated by Pak Army
The Times of India ^ | SATURDAY, JULY 24, 2004 12:56:40 PM | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

Posted on 07/24/2004 10:22:28 AM PDT by Cronos

WASHINGTON: Pakistan's intelligence officials knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks, a well-known American analyst has said, based on a ''stunning document'' that he claims was given by a Pakistani source to the 9/11 Commission on the eve of the publication of its report.

The document, from a high-level, but anonymous Pakistani source, also claims that Osama bin Laden has been receiving periodic dialysis in a military hospital in Peshawar, says Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor-at-large of the news agency UPI.

''The imprints of every major act of international Islamist terrorism invariably passes through Pakistan, right from 9/11 - where virtually all the participants had trained, resided or met in, coordinated with, or received funding from or through Pakistan,'' Borchgrave cites the confidential document as saying.

But one does not have to go to Borchgrave's unnamed sources to find Pakistan’s involvement in terrorist activity leading to 9/11. The 9/11 commission report itself nails Pakistan in chapter after chapter, revealing that the Pakistani intelligence was in cahoots with the Taliban and al Qaeda, far more than Iran and Iraq ever were.

Among the inquiry commission's observations, quoted verbatim here

* ''Pak[istan's] intel[ligence service] is in bed with bin Laden and would warn him that the United States was getting ready for a bombing campaign'' – quoting Richard Clarke

* ''Islamabad was behaving like a rogue state in two areas – backing Taliban/bin Laden terror and provoking war with India'' - quoting NSC Bruce Riedel

* Pakistani intelligence officers reportedly introduced bin Laden to Taliban leaders in Kandahar -Commission's own observation.

* Pakistan's military intelligence service, known as the ISID (Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate), was the Taliban's primary patron - Commission's observation

* Pakistan helped nurture the Taliban. The Pakistani army and intelligence services, especially below the top ranks, have long been ambivalent about confronting Islamist extremists. Many in the government have sympathized with or provided support to the extremists - Commission's observation.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; elvisbinladen; nukethem; osama; pakistan; southasia; wipethemoffplanet
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1 posted on 07/24/2004 10:22:29 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

bump


2 posted on 07/24/2004 10:26:16 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Cronos

Why am I not surpirsed?


3 posted on 07/24/2004 10:27:39 AM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: Cronos

Come to think of it, I haven't seen ole Arnaud as a 'talking head' for quite some time. As I remember, he is well connected to the various intell agencies - or, at least, it always seemed that way to me.


4 posted on 07/24/2004 10:29:02 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Fedora

"says Arnaud de Borchgrave"


5 posted on 07/24/2004 10:31:17 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Cronos

The enemies of freedom and liberty are all around us.


6 posted on 07/24/2004 10:31:37 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Cronos

I don't see a lot of love between India and Pakistan here.


7 posted on 07/24/2004 10:31:52 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Cronos
The document, from a high-level, but anonymous Pakistani source, also claims that Osama bin Laden has been receiving periodic dialysis in a military hospital in Peshawar, says Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor-at-large of the news agency UPI.

That seems pretty darn unlikely to me. Al-Qaida has attempted to assassinate Musharraf at least three times in the past 12 months, the army has conducted several major military operations to oust terrorists, and the military has every reason to want bin Laden's head on a platter.

It's true this is a complete turnaround from pre-9/11 days, but Dubya and Pervez had a little "come to Jesus" talk.

8 posted on 07/24/2004 10:33:51 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Plutarch

Last time I checked, Arnaud de Borchgrave wasn't Indian.


9 posted on 07/24/2004 10:36:48 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: Cronos
Best ElvisBinLaden thread is several months!


10 posted on 07/24/2004 10:37:32 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: Dog Gone
That seems pretty darn unlikely to me. Al-Qaida has attempted to assassinate Musharraf at least three times in the past 12 months, the army has conducted several major military operations to oust terrorists, and the military has every reason to want bin Laden's head on a platter.

Mushie hardly rules the place -- his officials would like to be in power too. Also Mush was dealing with AlQ until and well after 9/11, and most of his henchmen like the Nuke "scientist" (in reality just he guy who translated the manual from Chinese to Paki) are still alQ sympthisers.

Mushie is a military dictator over anIslamic land that hasWMD -- nukes, chemical and bio weapons.

Some reports say that more than 80% of the Pakis support alQ against the US
11 posted on 07/24/2004 10:39:22 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos
also claims that Osama bin Laden has been receiving periodic dialysis in a military hospital in Peshawar

I have alot of problems with that line. If true, would not the good guys just meet him there at the ole' military hospital. And if by some stretch of the imagination that this is somehow new info just coming to light for the good guys, didn't this article just blow it big-time by revealing to bin Laden that we know where he is DAILY.

I don't think so - anyway you look at it
12 posted on 07/24/2004 10:39:41 AM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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To: Republican Red
If true, would not the good guys just meet him there at the ole' military hospital

The good guys would be American soldiers -- and our troops are not allowed in Paki land. The Pakis could have rolled up and arrested him, but they're in cahoots with alQ so wouldnt' do that.
13 posted on 07/24/2004 10:41:11 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Dog Gone

Al-Qaeda does have a lot of support within the ISI, but I don't think that this is going to be a great deal of surprise to anyone. As far as Pakistan being more in cahoots with al-Qaeda than Iraq or Iran, color me skeptical. The Pakistanis, whatever their faults, have busted hundreds of al-Qaeda operatives, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, Tawfiq Attash Khallad, et al.

Now bin Laden did probably receive medical treatment in Peshawar (including plastic surgery) after Tora Bora, but that was done at the home of Fazlur Rehman, who is a prominent Pakistani politician, who wasn't part of the government until the pro-Taliban MMA won the elections in the Northwest Frontier Province and Baluchistan in October 2003.


14 posted on 07/24/2004 10:41:58 AM PDT by Angelus Errare
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To: ASA Vet

Aye, well, if we did get a phantom elvis all we'd have would be an obese singer, but if we got OBL........


15 posted on 07/24/2004 10:42:34 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Angelus Errare
The Pakistanis, whatever their faults, have busted hundreds of al-Qaeda operatives, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, Tawfiq Attash Khallad, et al.

The Pakis just seem to be playing us -- statign that they were about to catch some head alQ honcho -- this coincidently happens jus' when we have to give them some more BILLION$$$ in tax payer dollars. Then they catch some minnow and the cycle continues. They're playing us for a sucker
16 posted on 07/24/2004 10:44:33 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Aaron_A
Last time I checked, Arnaud de Borchgrave wasn't Indian.

Yeah, but I’ll bet that CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA writing for the Times of India is, and he doesn't appear particularly surprised at Pakistan's perfidy.

17 posted on 07/24/2004 10:45:03 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Shermy

Interesting. What's your take on du Borchgrave?


18 posted on 07/24/2004 10:45:03 AM PDT by Fedora (The Kerry-Edwards ticket: Oscar Wilde only *wished* he were *this* gay)
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To: Angelus Errare
until the pro-Taliban MMA won the elections in the Northwest Frontier Province and Baluchistan in October 2003.

Yessireee bob, that's the land of our "ally" with theIslamic bombb. The ally who sells nukes to North korea and tried to give them to Iran, Irq, libya and Saudi A but realised that those nations don't speak Chinese so wouldn't be able to decipher the manuals.....
19 posted on 07/24/2004 10:46:03 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Plutarch

true, but the statements were made by Arnaud.....


20 posted on 07/24/2004 10:49:52 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos
Arnaud de Borchgrave is no lightweight.  He's been around for a long time, and I've always found him to be worthy of respect.

de Borchgave  Pronounced: de bor graav


Link to article, more exansive that above.

LINK
21 posted on 07/24/2004 10:50:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fox News is Fair and Balanced. Move-on.org is Bare and Imbalanced.)
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To: Cronos
IMHO we all need to keep in mind that Pakistan (like Afghanistan) isn't all one ethnic group or religious sect, that the Pakistani army is still a third world army, that it recruits from all over the country, and winds up with regional forces instead of a coherent national army. Even in the US armed forces there are sometimes problems with treason -- not only the occasional desertion, but also the case of a couple of "Black Muslims" who sabotaged some piece of equipment on their ship -- which was in the SW Pacific at the time I think -- in solidarity with their "brothers" during the first Gulf War.

The president (and virtual dictator) of Pakistan has been shot at and had things explode around him, surviving a number of assassination attempts. He's trying to maintain control. He can't single out Moslems for investigation, because the country is predominantly (97 per cent) Moslem. Eventually we'll look back on these as the Good Old Days of our relationship with Pakistan. :')

22 posted on 07/24/2004 10:51:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Angelus Errare
WASHINGTON, July 23: Pakistan on Friday denied a report claiming that its intelligence officers knew in advance of the Sept 11, 2001, attacks.

The report by Arnaud de Borchgrave, a journalist awarded by the Zia regime for his reporting on the Afghan war, also claimed that Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was treated at a military hospital in Peshawar.

A spokesman for the Pakistan embassy here denied that Osama had ever been treated "in any military hospital anywhere in Pakistan". "Reports based on unnamed intelligence sources are usually a figment of the writer's imagination," said Pakistan's deputy chief of mission, Mohammed Sadiq.

Asked to comment on the claim that Pakistan was aware of the Sept 11 attacks before they occurred, Mr Sadiq said: "This is basically the recycling of old charges. We have been working very closely with the United States administration and it is important to note that the US administration also has always rejected these charges as false.

No one seems to know these imaginary intelligence sources." Mr de Borchgrave, however, claimed that on the eve of the publication of its report, the 9/11 commission received a document from Pakistan showing that Pakistani intelligence officers knew in advance of the attacks.

The document showed that Osama had been receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a military hospital in Peshawar, he claimed. The document, according to the report, claimed that Pakistani intelligence had been actively facilitating the relocation of Al Qaeda from Afghanistan to Pakistan and that some serving and retired intelligence officers were still helping the network.

Such officers, the report said, had provided money and directions to militant groups, specially the Arab hijackers of 9/11 from Al Qaeda. The document, apparently, failed to impress the authors of the commission's report, who urged the US government to make a long-term commitment to Pakistan to ensure that it remained committed to the fight against terrorism.

Hi Pakistan

23 posted on 07/24/2004 10:51:53 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SunkenCiv
that the Pakistani army is still a third world army

And what does that mean? It still operates English, French and American aircraft, tanks and other weapons.
24 posted on 07/24/2004 10:55:22 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos

An Indian paper accusing Pakistan of misdeeds. Ya have to start with at least a little skepticism, don't you?


25 posted on 07/24/2004 10:57:12 AM PDT by TN4Liberty ("I did not have socks with that document....." S. Berger)
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To: SunkenCiv

There's no such thing as a Third world army -- there is a technically developed army such as ours and the Brits and French and there are other kinds. Canada is a first world country but who do you think would win in a war between Canada and Pakistan in say Africa or even in Pakistan with no other nation helping out?


26 posted on 07/24/2004 10:57:15 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: SunkenCiv
IMHO we all need to keep in mind that Pakistan (like Afghanistan) isn't all one ethnic group or religious sect

The Pakis ACROSS ethnic groups support alQ. They are nearly totally slammies with the Christians a persecuted micro-minority.
27 posted on 07/24/2004 10:58:08 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Dog Gone

Agree.....this report is Camel Chit at best IMO.........Stay safe !


28 posted on 07/24/2004 10:59:13 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: TN4Liberty
An Indian paper accusing Pakistan of misdeeds. Ya have to start with at least a little skepticism, don't you?

Well, you would if the Indian papers were totalitarian mouthpieces, but they aren't. Also, most of the "accusations" have proven true over the years -- about the Pakis getting nukes from China, about the Pakis selling nukes to North Korea, Libya etc.
29 posted on 07/24/2004 11:00:02 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos

Yet ISLAM is NOT our enemy. They ALL protect their own that is why we have NOT KNOWINGLY nailed him yet.


30 posted on 07/24/2004 11:02:52 AM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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To: PISANO
Yet ISLAM is NOT our enemy

Err.. Earth to Pisano -- slam IS our enemy and has been the enemy since the 7th century.
31 posted on 07/24/2004 11:04:26 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos

"high-level, but anonymous Pakistani source"

Keystone cops.


32 posted on 07/24/2004 11:05:19 AM PDT by Iberian
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To: Cronos

This was bounced around last week. Rita Cosby had a brief mention of it on her program. No news, just more rumors. He was said to be "near death" and that increased "chatter" has supposedly confirmed Bin Laden being treated and is in grave condition. Call us when the virgins arrive to take him home.


33 posted on 07/24/2004 11:05:41 AM PDT by TommyDale ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." --Hillary Clinton)
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To: Cronos

Level Pakistan!


34 posted on 07/24/2004 11:07:09 AM PDT by Minutemen (It's A "Religion of Peace")
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To: backhoe

Interesting FYI.


35 posted on 07/24/2004 11:10:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: leadpenny

He was at Newsweek way back when it was a real news mag. He was decidely anti communist. Defended the Vietnam War as the right cause. And always seemed to have an inside source that was usually on the money. He's been out of the mainstream for a while. I think he's associated with WND or Newsmax. I just wonder if he really continues to have sources since the guys he drank with in the hotel bars in Saigon have long since gone fishing.


36 posted on 07/24/2004 11:40:29 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: Cronos
the Pakistani army is still a third world army... And what does that mean?
It means, like most third world countries, Pakistan doesn't have any sense of national identity, only local loyalties based on faith, tribe, language...

37 posted on 07/24/2004 11:43:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Cronos

Hasn't Hitlery been known to kiss Pakastan's leader wife in front of the world?


38 posted on 07/24/2004 11:44:17 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Cronos
The Pakis ACROSS ethnic groups support alQ.
Hmm, maybe that's why I spent a good chunk of my original post talking about how Pakistan's president is trying to do the right thing (except toward Kashmir) but has internal opposition.

39 posted on 07/24/2004 11:46:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Cronos

This is not a surprise. The President of Pakistan has had numerous attempts on his life. Any of us who beleives the countries in that region can take the side of true freedom while the Moslem zealots have guns and bombs in suicidal hands, would be at least mistaken.

The lines are unclear, but the enemy is Bin Laden and the horde that follows him, wherever they are hiding.

Ops4 God Bless America!


40 posted on 07/24/2004 11:48:54 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Cronos
I have no trouble believing this article. However, I think we should also remember that to India, Pakistan is the greatest immediate threat. That is not to say that I disagree with anything in this article. However, I don't think it should be used to downplay the importance of Iraq in our overall anti-terror strategy.

The mass US media feeds us pablum, and seldom discusses the overall world situation. Thank God for the net. Iran has gotten very nervous lately, which indicates to me that they suspect something is coming. Despite President Bush's pronouncements that the war would take many years, beyond even both his terms, I still think many people believe it will be over in time for the Super Bowl. If we re-elect W, Pakistan will reform or undergo regime change. However, there's more than one mission in a war.

41 posted on 07/24/2004 11:50:49 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: xkaydet65

Searching around Yahoo I found this:

http://www.benadorassociates.com/borchgrave.php

Looks like he is still very active. Doesn't say it on the above site but on another it said he had seven (7) tours in Vietnam.


42 posted on 07/24/2004 11:53:58 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Cronos
claims that Osama bin Laden has been receiving periodic dialysis in a military hospital in Peshawar,

Fine, just keep him alive and comfortable until, oh, say about October 20th.

43 posted on 07/24/2004 11:57:18 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Cronos

BULL. Pakistan is our ally, and Mush our trusted valiant friend. Bush said so.

Smacks of Indjan propaganda.

Plus, isn't DeBorchgrave a French name?


44 posted on 07/24/2004 12:03:58 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Dog Gone
That seems pretty darn unlikely to me. Al-Qaida has attempted to assassinate Musharraf at least three times in the past 12 months, the army has conducted several major military operations to oust terrorists, and the military has every reason to want bin Laden's head on a platter.

Except the ISI was a big backer of the Taliban and buds with Osama. They have conducted operations, but funny thing the big fish always get away.

I have no problem believing that a faction , if not a big chunck of the military and ISI is working against us here. Wheels within wheels within wheels....
45 posted on 07/24/2004 12:14:46 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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The Indian and Paki papers are always at each others throats... take this with a grain of salt... that being said, it wouldn't surprise me...


46 posted on 07/24/2004 12:51:37 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Cronos
I take anything in an Indian paper printed about Pakistan with a whole shaker of salt. They have proved that this is not an area of objective reporting.
47 posted on 07/24/2004 1:29:03 PM PDT by sharktrager (The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And the paving contractor lives in Chappaqua.)
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To: swarthyguy

#44

LOL!


48 posted on 07/24/2004 2:08:41 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Reagan Man

It's time to nuke their camel jockey asses.Their reluctance to assist cost American lives in Somalia with their so called armor. Bush/Cheney 2004


49 posted on 07/24/2004 2:10:58 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run)
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To: Cronos

really...? Pakistan is our friend...


50 posted on 07/24/2004 2:17:59 PM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Be part of the solution not part of the problem!)
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