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Ronnie Reagan says Gore won every single media recount in Florida 2000
MSNBC Live from the Donkey Convention | July 26, 2004

Posted on 07/26/2004 5:49:57 PM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA

I was flipping through the coverage of the jack@ss convention and came across Ronnie Reagan telling Chris Mathews that President Bush and the SCOTUS stole the election from Al Gore. The former ballerina, claimed that every single vote recount in Florida by the media resulted in Gore winning the popular vote in Florida and therfore the National Electorial College majority in 2000.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2000; absalom; algore; dncconvention; floridarecount; lyinghomoballerina; ronreaganjr; twinkletoes; vampireteeth
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1 posted on 07/26/2004 5:49:58 PM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

The media won't confront such a lie ... it would be inconvenient for them to do that.


2 posted on 07/26/2004 5:51:39 PM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

did anyone correct him (why am I asking this, its MSNBC)?


3 posted on 07/26/2004 5:52:14 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Did Matthews correct him, or was he complicit in the lie?


4 posted on 07/26/2004 5:52:31 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

and I bet ole Chrissy didn't tell him that he was wrong either.


5 posted on 07/26/2004 5:52:33 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
Ms. Tutu has got gonorrhea of the brain.
6 posted on 07/26/2004 5:53:01 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Just to set the record straight (unlike Ron) didn't President Bush win every recount?


7 posted on 07/26/2004 5:53:23 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

The truth is Matthews DID challenge him seriously on this.


9 posted on 07/26/2004 5:53:44 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

You know, refering to this abomination as a "former ballerina" really doesn't acknowledge his outstanding work as a dog show commentator.


10 posted on 07/26/2004 5:54:29 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Chris asked Ronnie for more details, but he did not correct Ronnie.


11 posted on 07/26/2004 5:54:38 PM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA (John Kerry supported JFK & LBJ policy in Vietnam before he supported Communism & Socialism today.)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

What is a "media" recount?


12 posted on 07/26/2004 5:54:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
Seems like Alzheimers is genetic.

May Ronnie Jr. forget where his butt ends and his mouth starts!

13 posted on 07/26/2004 5:55:01 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
The former ballerina, claimed that every single vote recount in Florida by the media resulted in Gore winning the popular vote in Florida

Did twinkle toes say this while in fairyland?

14 posted on 07/26/2004 5:55:08 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

All the newspapers, TV, etc. got together, pooled assets and the pool decided that GOre LOST by, what was it, 523 votes!?!?!


15 posted on 07/26/2004 5:55:24 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Did he? I would think he would.


As much as a blowhard Matthews is for the left, he'll let spin go, but he will challenge outright lies.


16 posted on 07/26/2004 5:55:25 PM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Now that his father is dead, I expect little Ronnie to crawl out of the closet he was never really in.


17 posted on 07/26/2004 5:55:30 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

That's a blazing lie!


18 posted on 07/26/2004 5:55:33 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Just like a 'rat to ignore the facts. Throw enough lies at the wall and some are bound to stick. Must be the talking points. Drama queen Algore spent a quarter of his speech commiserating about election 2000, then said he's not there to talk about the past. Two minutes later he's exhorting everyone to not go back to 2000 and let the Supreme Court select the President, and don't let Bush select the Supreme Court.

Ron...Al...We still have a Constitution. It covers elections. Read it. Move on.

The media is having fun interviewing delegates who repeat over and over their anger at the "stolen election." They were too stupid to cheat by a sufficient margin. I'm sure they'll try harder this time.


19 posted on 07/26/2004 5:56:12 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

The truth is exactly opposite,
& Matthews knows it. Only G_d
knows what Baby Ronnie knows...


20 posted on 07/26/2004 5:56:21 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: pfflier

He won the vast majority - and the specific recounts that Gore wanted. Whether this counting would have come out the same way with a bunch of partisan Democrat hacks in a backroom doing the counting is a rather more dubious distinction of course.

The heart of the matter though is that frankly Bush won after the automated recount confirmed his status as winner. All the other recounts were in violation of Florida law - even if abetted by a rogue FL SC.


21 posted on 07/26/2004 5:57:23 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France. -Duke Wellington)
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To: oceanview

I thought I had the audio saved, but, I deleted it.


22 posted on 07/26/2004 5:57:59 PM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA (John Kerry supported JFK & LBJ policy in Vietnam before he supported Communism & Socialism today.)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

So Matthews is also a liar.

I had some respect for him once.


23 posted on 07/26/2004 5:58:05 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: BenLurkin

News agencies combined their talents together and looked at results for several months. When their research was concluded, Bush won every scenario.


24 posted on 07/26/2004 5:58:30 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: pfflier

I believe he did win every valid recount (i.e. with reasonable counting standards).

Florida recount study: Bush still wins: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm

BUSH WINS MASSIVE HERALD RECOUNT: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aca62e46722.htm


25 posted on 07/26/2004 5:58:42 PM PDT by theophilusscribe ("America is too great for small dreams." óRonald Wilson Reagan)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
Lil Ronnie is a BALD-FACED LIAR.


Pigs Sleep

26 posted on 07/26/2004 5:59:17 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: swilhelm73

You just watch the Democrats use Ron Reagan. It's going to be a painful experience, but they'll run him until the wheels fall off, just to tarnish the namesake of Ronald Wilson Reagan. It won't work. Ron Reagan will end up a broken pip-squeak, crying because he sold out his dad's beliefs.


27 posted on 07/26/2004 5:59:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fox News is Fair and Balanced. Move-on.org is Bare and Imbalanced.)
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To: MindBender26

Bush's Media Recount margin grew
to 1600 votes, using Gore ballot-
assessing standards.


28 posted on 07/26/2004 6:00:55 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
Perhaps Ronnie Jr. should read this: (From: Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11 By Dave Kopel)

A six-month study by a consortium including the New York Times, Washington Post and CNN disproves Fahrenheit's claim that Gore won under any scenario.

As USA Today summarized, on May 11, 2001:

Who would have won if Al Gore had gotten manual counts he requested in four counties? Answer: George W. Bush."

"Who would have won if the U.S. Supreme Court had not stopped the hand recount of undervotes, which are ballots that registered no machine-readable vote for president? Answer: Bush, under three of four standards."

"Who would have won if all disputed ballots — including those rejected by machines because they had more than one vote for president — had been recounted by hand? Answer: Bush, under the two most widely used standards; Gore, under the two least used."

Throughout the Florida election controversy, the focus was on "undervotes"--ballots which were disqualified because the voter had not properly indicated a candidate, such as by punching out a small piece of paper on the paper ballot. The recounts attempted to discern voter intentions from improperly-marked ballots. Thus, if a ballot had a "hanging chad," a recount official might decide that the voter intended to vote for the candidate, but failed to properly punch out the chad; so the recounter would award the candidate a vote from the "spoiled" ballot. Gore was seeking additional recounts only of undervotes. The only scenario by which Gore would have won Florida would have involved recounts of "overvotes"--ballots which were spoiled because the voter voted for more than one candidate (such as by marking two names, or by punching out two chads). Most of the overvotes which were recoverable were those on which the voter had punched out a chad (or made a check mark) and had also written the candidate's name on the write-in line. Gore's lawsuits never sought a recount of overvotes, so even if the Supreme Court had allowed a Florida recount to continue past the legal deadline, Bush still would have won the additional recount which Gore sought.

A very interesting web widget published by the New York Times allows readers to crunch the data any way they want: what standards for counting ballots, whose counting system to apply, and how to treat overvotes. It's certainly possible under some of the variable scenarios to produce a Gore victory. But it's undeniably dishonest for Fahrenheit to assert that Gore would win under any scenario.

Moore amplifies the deceit with a montage of newspaper headlines, purporting to show that Gore really won. One article shows a date of December 19, 2001, with a large headline reading, "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won Election." The article supposedly comes from The Pantagraph, a daily newspaper in Bloomington, Illinois. But actually, the headline is merely for a letter to the editor--not a news article. The letter to the editor headline is significantly enlarged to make it look like an article headline. The letter ran on December 5, not December 19. The Pantagraph has contacted Moore's office to ask for an explanation, but the office has refused to comment.

[Moore response: Cites articles consistent with my explanation. Fails to acknowledge that the only scenarios for a Gore victory involved recounting methods which Gore never requested in his lawsuits. To tell viewers that Gore would have won "under every scenario" is absurd.]

29 posted on 07/26/2004 6:01:27 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
I saw that too. Young Ron has it bassackwards. In NO Florida recount, did Gore ever have more votes than Bush. This guy is truly pathetic.

This raises the nature vs. nurture argument. Here you have the flesh and blood son of the greatest president in our lifetimes, and he's a girlie-man. Apparently, he didn't even vote for his father.

Then, you have Michael - the adopted son. Now, he is the one who learned from his father and who understands the things his father taught him.

Nature vs. nurture....

30 posted on 07/26/2004 6:01:56 PM PDT by Mean Spirited
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To: pfflier

I think there was one out of 15 scenerios were Gore could have won. IIR it was one of the scenerios were their where the judges had to decide how the voter meant to vote because their were either no votes for President or votes for more than one candidate.


31 posted on 07/26/2004 6:02:15 PM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA (John Kerry supported JFK & LBJ policy in Vietnam before he supported Communism & Socialism today.)
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To: demlosers
Ms. Tutu has got gonorrhea of the brain.

Wrong STD.
32 posted on 07/26/2004 6:03:00 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: MindBender26
All the newspapers, TV, etc. got together, pooled assets and the pool decided that GOre LOST by, what was it, 523 votes!?!?! </>

So, Ronnie tells this lie, and then other people see they can say it, and before long it's gospel truth. Before long, they'll be telling us how Halliburton thugs removed Gore from the Oval Office at gunpoint.

33 posted on 07/26/2004 6:04:33 PM PDT by cincy29
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To: DoughtyOne

"Ron Reagan will end up a broken pip-squeak, crying because he sold out his dad's beliefs."

No he won't. Ronnie and Patty are still mad at their parents for being public figures. They never grew up.


34 posted on 07/26/2004 6:05:13 PM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Good. I wish I wasn't surprised.


35 posted on 07/26/2004 6:05:18 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

I'll bet that Mr. Dog Show Host forgot to mention that the media even declared that Al Gore WON Florida before the polls CLOSED there.


36 posted on 07/26/2004 6:06:33 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Christian4Bush; A_Niceguy_in_CA
I don't hate to say this, as much as I probably should...but the wrong Reagan died a month ago.

You're so right, and that rumbling under our chairs? That's the Gipper rolling in his grave.

What a spoiled, self centered, ungrateful, little(ooops, wouldn't want to say that-it's a hatecrime) princess...

37 posted on 07/26/2004 6:06:44 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: swilhelm73
All the other recounts were in violation of Florida law - even if abetted by a rogue FL SC.

He's talking about the recounts done by news organizations as well as groups such as the Pew Foundation. These were examinations of the ballots. They were not illegal recounts. They also discovered that Algore lost, no matter which way any recount that Algore could have wanted (in a few counties or statewide) was done.
38 posted on 07/26/2004 6:08:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: nkycincinnatikid

>The truth is Matthews DID challenge him seriously on this.<

He absolutely did not.He raised an eyebrow.


39 posted on 07/26/2004 6:08:22 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
I used to tell my kids when they were competing in karate tournaments that the only victory was a decisive victory. If the difference between Gore and Bush in Florida in 2004 was a handful of votes then let the strongest man take the office.

And he did. :)

40 posted on 07/26/2004 6:08:30 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Mean Spirited

I recall a Reagon quote that was something like "Its not that Liberals aren't smart - its just that what they know just ain't so."


41 posted on 07/26/2004 6:09:30 PM PDT by geopyg (Peace..................through decisive and ultimate VICTORY. (Democracy, whiskey, sexy))
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA
When Brit Hume or Sean Hannity get major speaking roles at the Republican Convention, I may think about watching Widdle Wonnie Weagan on PMSNBC.
42 posted on 07/26/2004 6:11:32 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (Ta-Ray-Zuh : Your meds are showing.)
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To: Blessed

I have e-mailed the hardball blog about this.See if they correct it.Maybe everyone should send an e-mail that says Ron Jr. lied.


43 posted on 07/26/2004 6:11:40 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: DoughtyOne

Ron Reagan is so pathetic, he's not worth giving a second thought.


44 posted on 07/26/2004 6:13:16 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: swilhelm73
"So what has changed?" said former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot, a Republican. "The only count that really counts is the one conducted under the rule of law."
 
Ashbrook Center - And the Winner Is... Still George Bush
Editorial discusses results from a recount by the Miami Herald showing that even with the most liberal standards favoring Gore, Bush still won the election in Florida.
 
PRESIDENT
CANDIDATE VOTE TOTAL PERCENT
BUSH (REP) 2911872 49%
GORE (DEM) 2910942 49%
NADER (GRN) 97419 2%
BUCHANAN (RFM) 17472 0%
BROWNE (LIB) 16102 0%
HAGELIN (NTL) 2274 0%
MOOREHEAD (WWD) 1815 0%
PHILLIPS (CST) 1378 0%
MCREYNOLDS (SOC) 618 0%
HARRIS (SW ) 594 0%

% of precincts reporting: 100
 
Newspaper: Bush Would Have Won Florida - ABC News
Results of an unofficial analysis of the undervotes in Florida show that George W. Bush would have won even if hand-counted votes were accepted.

45 posted on 07/26/2004 6:13:35 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Blessed

Hard ball Blog

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5511380/?#040726d


46 posted on 07/26/2004 6:13:37 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Matthews said "Gore would have won Florida if he had gotten
a state wide recount, instead of being cute in three couties".

that is NOT rebutting the basic lie that the consortium proved
that Gore won Florida.

ballerina-boy lied. matthews let him lie.


47 posted on 07/26/2004 6:13:54 PM PDT by smonk
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To: rogue yam

Damn those dog show commentators.


48 posted on 07/26/2004 6:13:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

The ballerina and his sister did not show up when the Ronald Reagan came in. They were invited along with Nancy and Michael and just didn't show up.


49 posted on 07/26/2004 6:14:09 PM PDT by Merry
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Ron: Shut Up And Mince.


50 posted on 07/26/2004 6:14:11 PM PDT by gg188
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