Poll on Pro-abortion Catholics and communion

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[everlast]

Do you think the Catholic church should bar abortion rights supporters from taking Communion?

[everlast]

The "No" vote is ahead. Abortion is murder. I can not understand how any Catholic could support abortion.

[Andy from Beaverton]

I thought you might have had a typo: communiSM

[Defender2]

I definitely Voted YES!!!!

[samiam1972]

I voted yes...trying to get my lurking husband to vote, too. Come on sweetie! *kisses*

[familyop]

People say that the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.


"President Of Feminist For Life Of America To Address Sacred Heart"
Sacred Heart University
[Read the third paragraph for the surprise!  It reports that Feminists
for Life (oxymoron) helps to make laws against fathers, and therefore,
laws against families instead of laws against abortion!]


But who will lobby and publish to punish murdering women and murdering doctors for killing children? And how much has murdering fatherhood lowered the abortion rate so far?

[okalready]

Why single out abortion-- should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

[Defender2]

Thanks for posting, everlast, your title is better than mine was, Best FReegards, D2

I Did Vote Yes!!!!

[BlessedBeGod]

FReeped!

[drq]

Troll........

[BlessedBeGod]

...should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

Why should they do that? The death penalty and the war in Iraq are not against the doctrine of the Church.

[Antoninus]

People say that the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.

The Catholic Church IS anti-abortion, bub. Do we have wicked Catholics in our midst who do their best to undermine this tenet of the Church? Yes, absolutely. As does every Christian group. The weeds will grow up with the wheat, but rather than tear them all up and risk tearing out some of the wheat too, we'll have to wait for the Lord to separate the good from the bad.

[Antoninus]

Why single out abortion-- should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

When the Pope writes an encyclical about the death penalty describing it as always wrong and sinful and does likewise for the Iraq war, then maybe. Until then, we have Humanae Vitae and the issue of abortion is defined as a grave evil as plain as day.

That's why abortion is singled out. The moral equivalency argument doesn't work. Sorry.

[Antoninus]

Poing.

[familyop]

How can any organization be pro-feminist but anti-abortion? Keeping any part of feminism (of which parts, all is for "sexual freedom") will continue a high rate of abortions. And I agree with you very much regarding "every Christian group."

[Mark17]

should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

NO. That is what Demon Rats believe.

[NeoCaveman]

Why single out abortion-- should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

Didn't you get the memo, the "seamless garment" died with Bernardin.

[Coleus]

Yes		49%	412 Votes
No		50%	427 Votes
			Total:  839

[familyop]

"Why single out abortion-- should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?"

...because abortion is murder. Self-defense in war is alright. And the death penalty has virtually always been with us.

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:9-16, KJV).

[steplock]

I wish these idiot "polls" would actually ask a valid question!

THe question should be:

Should the Catholic Church be allowed to enforce its dogmas without government regulation?

[familyop]

...Poll Freeped, BTW--and by a Protestant!

Yes 49% 429 Votes
No 50% 440 Votes

...shame that Protestant churches don't do the same.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Yes, because the death penalty, and war can be justly applied, while there is never a justification for abortion.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

BTTT

Do you think the Catholic church should bar abortion rights supporters from taking Communion?
Yes
49% 487 Votes
No
50% 496

[joyce11111]

Yes
49% 498 Votes
No
50% 506 Votes

[fatima]

okalready,We could vote if you are an ass.You know like a mule or a donkey.

[ppaul]

Why single out abortion-- should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

Are you for real or just trying to get everyone's hackles up?

[ppaul]

I can not understand how any Catholic could support abortion.

That's because no Catholic does support abortion.
Those who support the murder of babies are not truly Catholics.
They are supporting the work of Satan.
What do you call someone who does that?

[ppaul]

The last word:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?
-- St. Paul (II Corinthians 6:14)

[Vigilanteman]

The Yes votes have pulled ahead 779-768. Keep Freeping.

[Peelod]

bttt

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Do you think the Catholic church should bar abortion rights supporters from taking Communion?

Yes.

But the opinions of poorly educated modern Americans on this subject are quite irrelevant. It gets down to the ontological matter of what defines a Catholic in a true sense. A sincere and truly believing and faithful Catholic simply cannot possibly support and promote the kinds of kooky nightmarish policies on abortion and embryonic stem cells in the manner of John Kerry.

I think you really need to employ Old Testament type terminology and categories on these issues. "Unclean" and "abomination" come to mind. Serious heavy-duty extra-strength scary horrifying very-old-time religion wailing-&-gnashing-of-teeth fire and brimstone stuff.

IHS+

Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

[TYVets]

Yes 1,083

No 1,127

It needs your vote.

[Dominick]

This isn't a poll of Catholics and people not in the Church really are not able to render an opinion. You need to understand the meaning of Communion, and the principle that procuring or helping to procure an abortion is excommunicatable.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 2272:
Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

[chimera]

FWIW, I voted "Yes", which is slightly in the minority at this point.

While an interesting exercise in assessing public opinion, we should all bear in mind that polls like this on issues of grave moral import are somewhat specious. Popularity should not be the determinant on questions of the moral rightness or wrongness of a position. History teaches us that skilled manipulators of public opinion can often sway whole populations to support actions of horrendous moral consequence. Abortion is but the latest (although a particularly cruel and barbaric one) in a long line of moral questions that human societies have often erred on in formulating public policy and legal theory.

Furthermore, the position of the Church is clear on this subject. As such, it isn't a valid issue for determination by plebiscite. Catholics who consciously choose to hold a position at odds with accepted Church doctrine place themselves in a position of conflict with recognized spiritual authority. That carries a measure of risk that they must recognize and take into account when formation of conscience occurs. As one who takes his faith seriously, that is a position I would not be comfortable with.

[George from New England]

Yes has now taken the lead.

[SuziQ]

Why single out abortion-- should the church refuse to give communiun to anyone supporting the death penalty, or even the war in Iraq?

Because the Church does not have universal teachings about the death penalty and the war in Iraq. The Pope has spoken out against the war, but you'll notice he hasn't said that taking part in it is immoral, or against the teachings of the Church.

Same with the death penalty. The Church teaches that States have the right to impose it, but that it should only be used when there is no other way to make sure that the person will not cause no more deaths. For example, a drug lord who is in prison for murder could still cause more deaths by his command from prison; he could be executed according to the Church to save more people. Just about anyone else could be contained by life in prison with no parole.

Abortion, fetal stem cell research, and cloning are three of the non-negotiable issues. You'll notice all of these are 'life' issues, which are at the base of all natural law.