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Yes, it's an abortion
Herald Sun ^ | 8th August 2004 | Andrew Bolt

Posted on 08/07/2004 6:42:40 PM PDT by naturalman1975

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To: contessa machiaveli

I've read a bunch of your posts & you're about as conservative as John Kerry.


21 posted on 08/07/2004 10:27:45 PM PDT by lara
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To: contessa machiaveli
An abortion is only 'safe' for 50% of the people who go into the clinic.

I'd also love to have you explain what you mean by 'entitled to' as well.

L

22 posted on 08/07/2004 10:32:54 PM PDT by Lurker ( Rope, tree, liberal. Adult assembly required.)
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To: naturalman1975; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921369/posts
Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND)
Citizen magazine ^ | June 2003 | Karla Dial
This is the Stealth Bomber that is going to zoom in under the pro-death crowd's radar and nuke them... once a woman sees what is really in her womb, it ceases to be a "tissue mass" and becomes... a baby.
 Her baby.
 

23 posted on 08/08/2004 1:34:40 AM PDT by backhoe (If it's not a ' baby,' then you aren't Pregnant...)
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To: naturalman1975

bttt


24 posted on 08/08/2004 2:42:39 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: naturalman1975
In Darwin, a 22-week-old fetus - a girl - was aborted, still alive, and left to die in a steel dish. That took 80 minutes, and nurses later told a coroner they could hear her cry and cry, but no one held or helped her. And the democrap party in the U.S. tells us this rite they worship is 'for the children'. The typical democrat cannot hear the cries of the children, obviously, especially the ones the democrat leadership favors killing to empower the party.
25 posted on 08/08/2004 5:36:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Thanks for posting those pictures! It's good to know he's alive and well.


26 posted on 08/08/2004 10:07:54 AM PDT by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: I still care
Do they have more lax standards as far as violence goes? I mean, are they more likely to show a brutal act on the news than we are?

I'm not really sure, but I heard that the shots of people jumping out of the WTC were shown in Europe.

27 posted on 08/08/2004 10:12:29 AM PDT by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: naturalman1975
It's so very simple....

A picture is worth a thousand words.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Pictures not only reach folks on a visceral, gut level....

..they can also change or help change minds!

Just recently our nation was put through weeks & weeks of dialog on what happened at the infamous prison in Iraq.

But what really got our attention were the pictures.

Somebody....someone...wanted those pictures out there for the whole world to see, because it would change minds, opinions, create dialog.---and create anger!

This is what the Planned Parenthood gang have zealously guarded for decades.....decades...

They don't want you to see the pictures!

It might just change your mind.
And you might get angry!!

28 posted on 08/08/2004 10:24:46 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: cpforlife.org
#11...I am very familiar with information you just presented, and have seen Hard Truth..(actually have a copy).

Fourteen years ago many of us--(in Right to Life)- were traipsing from church to church, kindly asking the minister if there was any time, place, meeting where a pro-life video could be shown to anyone in the congregation who was interested.

Very few churches..said 'yes'....

..but there were a few who did.

And believe me, the video, at the time, was not a hardline abortion video....
..but, from a Biblical perspective, presented the facts of choosing life.
Many churches did not want to be involved, get involved, and would rather play it safe.
Many of them today have played it so safe, they are rotting from within.

The truth will come out someday, but the legacy of Margaret Sanger thrives in our present society.

This is & will be an ongoing battle until Planned Parenthood and its ilk is exposed for the absolute lying, deceiving, evil institution it is.

29 posted on 08/08/2004 10:44:04 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: contessa machiaveli
she was on the floor, blood seeping from her body.

Why did this woman *need* to attempt an abortion on herself? Couldn't she have just carried the child to term and found a good home for the child?

30 posted on 08/08/2004 11:43:14 AM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: agrarianlady

for hundreds of years women have paid the price for bearing a child out of wedlock, the fallen woman, whore epitaphs, the snickering behind her back even if giving the child up for adoption.

yes, times have changed....there's no stigma for being a single mother.

men haven't really had to share the shame.

i don't believe abortion is murder. have you ever known someone who's had an abortion? i'm asking anyone on this thread for their opinion of how you felt about this person. were you close at any time? did the friendship/relationship suffer? was it a daughter, aunt, sister, niece, or cousin?


31 posted on 08/08/2004 12:32:58 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: contessa machiaveli

You opined, "i don't believe abortion is murder." In a legalese sense, it is not murder until the child has taken breath outside the woman's body, well, except where states have offered to grant the alive little ones human being status such that someone assaulting their mother or them in utero (as long as the mother doesn't want to hire the killing) is committing a criminal act. May I ask you when you believe the unborn little ones achieve human being status, in your understanding?


32 posted on 08/08/2004 1:27:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Please add me to your pro-life ping list. Thanks!


33 posted on 08/08/2004 1:36:35 PM PDT by Blue Eyes (Tagline not operational. Press any key to reboot.)
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To: Blue Eyes
Welcome to the Pro-Life Ping List!

Also, please take time to visit my websites:

CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE at:
http://www.CpForLife.org

NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL at:
http://www.CpForLife.org/Memorial

Knights For Life at
http://www.KnightsForLife.org

Thanks,

Kevin

34 posted on 08/08/2004 1:54:32 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) a part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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To: cpforlife.org

I'll take a look at your websites. I have three daughters, ages 15, 14 and 11, and I will most likely be pointing them in the direction of the information that you have provided.


35 posted on 08/08/2004 1:59:12 PM PDT by Blue Eyes (Tagline not operational. Press any key to reboot.)
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To: contessa machiaveli

Yes, it's true that women have paid the price historically for bearing children out of wedlock. Well, poor women. The rich and powerful ones usually got away with it.

Don't forget the children who suffered in these cases as well.

It's acceptable that unborn children pay with their lives to make up for historical shame borne by women?

If abortion isn't murder, then what is it? There is a human heart beating in there at 6 weeks. Small fingers and toes at about the same time. At 20 weeks, we've got kicking and sucking thumbs. Babies are surviving outside the womb at younger and younger ages. Was that 20-week-old crying girl laying in the pan a living human?

If a still-living aborted baby girl isn't human, then what is she? She had her own unique DNA. She was a totally unique genetic creation from her mother and father.


36 posted on 08/08/2004 7:39:37 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: MHGinTN

i believe when viable on it's own...outside the woman's body.

do you believe menstrual extraction is wrong? (at this point in time it's probably obsolete because of the availability of morning after pills.)that's done before a woman misses her period with only the possiblity that birth control failed.


37 posted on 08/08/2004 8:16:10 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: contessa machiaveli
CONTESSA MACHIAVELI WROTE:

"for hundreds of years women have paid the price for bearing a child out of wedlock, the fallen woman, whore epitaphs, the snickering behind her back even if giving the child up for adoption."

"yes, times have changed....there's no stigma for being a single mother."

"men haven't really had to share the shame."

"i don't believe abortion is murder. have you ever known someone who's had an abortion? i'm asking anyone on this thread for their opinion of how you felt about this person. were you close at any time? did the friendship/relationship suffer? was it a daughter, aunt, sister, niece, or cousin?"

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It is unfortunate that there ISN'T still a stigma about out-of-wedlock births. I wish it still existed.

I know several "single mothers." I do not dispise them, but I'm sure not confused as to how they got that way. Amazingly, some people KEEP making the SAME mistake. God created sex---for MARRIED men and women---for a reason: kids NEED BOTH a mother and father, or at least a mother and father figure (in the case of premature death).

I also know someone very close to me who got his girlfriend (and future first wife) pregnant out-of-wedlock. I did not know about it at the time (around 1973-74), and they got an abortion. I didn't know anything about it until probably 1998.

I became Pro-Life in 1974 and have remained very Pro-Life ever since. Had I known about the pregnancy and abortion prior to becoming Pro-Life, however, I would probably have suggested the abortion myself.

I do not hate or dispise or condemn the two people involved for having made their decision. Knowing what I know now, however, I would certainly strongly urge against abortion if it were to have happened today.

You know, if girls and boys were REQUIRED today to be taught about ABSTINENCE and the CONSEQUENCES of premarital sex, instead of "if it feels good, do it, and here's a condom," and they were REQUIRED to see an abortion video (like they are required to see a bloody accident video to get their driver's license), and the stigma were revived again, I believe the number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies would greatly decrease.

38 posted on 08/09/2004 10:26:25 PM PDT by Concerned
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To: contessa machiaveli

First, one must answer whether the one on life support is a human being. Then, the question of hiring the killing of such an individual has nothing to do with 'viability' since our laws already deal with protecting the aliveness of individuals on life support. Granting a special right to hire a killing of an individual on life support due to the actions of the one hiring the killing is absurd on the face of it.


39 posted on 08/10/2004 7:41:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Concerned

equal time education BTTT


40 posted on 08/10/2004 7:46:06 AM PDT by cyborg
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