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U.S. to Give Border Patrol New Powers to Deport Illegal Aliens
NY Times ^ | August 10, 2004 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 08/10/2004 6:04:26 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: potlatch

There will always be someone to game the system.


41 posted on 08/10/2004 10:56:16 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Ajnin

"This may seem like a step in the right direction but what it actually does is take away punishment..."

Good point. I didn't realise that illegals were being held for as long as a year. And yet, we still have this major problem.


42 posted on 08/11/2004 1:21:25 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Why watch sitcoms? Just listen to Rush talk about left wing wackos and surf the FR.)
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To: bayourod

"Without increasing immigrant labor our economy would contract..."

Please don't get the following comparison wrong. Your argument is for more global freedom, not less. But economically speaking, history disagrees.

The South said the same thing about slavery. 'Without slaves, where would agriculture go? It would no longer be profitable. Bla-bla-bla.' Same argument.


43 posted on 08/11/2004 1:26:07 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Why watch sitcoms? Just listen to Rush talk about left wing wackos and surf the FR.)
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To: HiJinx
......but it's looking like too little, too late.

You took the words right out of my mouth. The article started out good but.......

44 posted on 08/11/2004 1:26:22 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: neverdem
"The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex."

This is a farce with a potential for NUMEROUS discrimination lawsuits.

45 posted on 08/11/2004 3:33:50 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: neverdem

BUMP

BTW Illegals have no right to a lawyer AT THE BORDER. This has been the rule loooooooong before 9/11.

Most major metropolitan airports have immigration courts with a judge ON PREMISIS.

THIS IS GOOD.

BTWW: Most ALL who are stopped at the airports go back voluntarily.


46 posted on 08/11/2004 4:32:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: neverdem

A good beginning, but unfortunately, Mexican illegal invaders are exempted from this edict.


47 posted on 08/11/2004 4:34:51 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: neverdem

About dayum time!

Frontiers? Fontiers? What about those in El Paso (population 563,000), Laredo (pop 176,000), and McAllen (pop 132,000) where that woman was arrested the other day. FYI, there are border patrol offices in nearly every big city in the US no matter if it's in the middle of Kansas.


48 posted on 08/11/2004 4:46:04 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: DustyMoment
Bush is in Vicente Fox's back pocket

Yep.

49 posted on 08/11/2004 4:47:57 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Make me feel warm and fuzzy just reading it!


50 posted on 08/11/2004 4:57:01 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: ml/nj

ping


51 posted on 08/11/2004 5:02:05 AM PDT by upier (Stop Child abuse - Teach your children English!)
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To: neverdem

I was really happy....until I read this part: "The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians.."

Why not deport ALL illegals??


52 posted on 08/11/2004 5:05:13 AM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: upier
Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens from the frontiers abutting Mexico and Canada without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

Well isn't this nice!

People who cross our borders at other than official checkpoints are invaders and should be treated as such. The things that should be given to border patrol agents are machine guns, bullets, and marksmanship training.

ML/NJ

53 posted on 08/11/2004 5:28:44 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Liberty Valance

I'm not too thrilled with your insinuations. If you read more of the news on this topic, you will know that Fox has largely established Bush's "hands off" immigration policy on the southern border. Fox has encouraged his own people to cross the border illegally and Bush goes along with it.

If you want to go along with a liberal outfit like the AP, that's your choice, but I strongly suggest you do more research on the topic. Bush's amnesty plan has done nothing but embolden even more illegals into crossing the border.

Do some research and see what Bush's immigration policy has caused in Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas and Florida. Illegal immigration has driven those states' budgets (except Florida's - so far) into the dumper and his lack of a strong immigration policy has driven the illegals to demand official documentation and rights in this country. They're called "illegal immigrants" for a reason - they are not here legally, and Bush is doing nothing but pushing Fox's policies to encourage more to come here - ILLEGALLY.


54 posted on 08/11/2004 7:45:03 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Good point. I didn't realise that illegals were being held for as long as a year. And yet, we still have this major problem.

Actually the vast majority are not, they are simply released on their own reconnaissance never to be seen again. Unless they are from a special interest country or are identified criminals most are set free in what has become known as the catch and release program.

This has been a serious problem for the Border Patrol as smuggling organizations game the system. They would push through a large group of OTMs knowing that there is no room in the detention facility to hold them. They instruct the aliens to simply give up to the Patrol Officers.

The officers would spent 2 to 3 hours processing the aliens for an O/R release and the group of aliens simply walk to a predetermined location and are picked up again by the smuggler, only now guess what, they are legal with papers pending their removal proceedings and free to travel through the BP check points to anywhere in the country they want to go. It’s been a long running scam that has demoralized the BP agents.

I give the administration credit on this one, but much remains to be done.

55 posted on 08/11/2004 7:59:11 AM PDT by usurper
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To: traumer

Still haven't seen mass deportations. WAITING.....
In California, we are overloaded with illegals of all backgrounds (mostly mexicans though).


56 posted on 08/11/2004 8:01:29 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: sixmil

I did hear that on the news. It is hardly enough to put a dent in the numbers of people here.

I read an article, will try to look for it. I think it was on American Patrol that states the numbers of illegals may be closer to 28 million, not 7 million nationwide.


57 posted on 08/11/2004 8:05:13 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The IRS thing isn't an outright bounty but at least it leans in the right direction.

Has anyone tried simply mailing copies of the form to employers?

If the IRS form becomes well known,I wouldn't be surprised to even see illegals stampeding to turn in lawbreakers for the financial reward.

58 posted on 08/11/2004 8:22:54 AM PDT by Free Trapper (ALF & ELF - Future Bog People)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The "except for Mexicans" is a hole big enough through which to herd a million illegals a year. It's a bait and switch with that clause in it. All the Mexicans get a free pass to free service and food, it's only the rest that need to be found and moved out. Guess how easy it is to gussy up an arab as a Mexican?
59 posted on 08/11/2004 9:09:21 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"The South said the same thing about slavery. 'Without slaves, where would agriculture go?"

And the South was right. Look what happened to cotton production and the economy of the South after the war. Were it not for the horse collar and mechanization of farming the South would still be a third world area.

60 posted on 08/11/2004 9:37:06 AM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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