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1 posted on 08/13/2004 5:24:44 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras

Good. If that was the rule, it's the rule.

This is Rush Limbaugh's blind spot. Anti-smoking laws are not a liberals-only issue.


2 posted on 08/13/2004 5:25:47 AM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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The way I see it, she didn't go to jail for smoking around the kids; she went to jail for defying a court order.


3 posted on 08/13/2004 5:27:06 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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She should know better, but smoking is not against the law.


4 posted on 08/13/2004 5:27:47 AM PDT by cavereric (John Kerry - The Enemy's Choice In Iraq!!!!)
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I doubt she'd be in jail if she'd let her children surf the net unsupervised.

We're so concerned about the poisons that enter our mortal bodies, but so indifferent to the poisons that enter our immortal souls.

5 posted on 08/13/2004 5:29:54 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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A judge upheld the order in January, citing medical evidence of the effects of secondhand smoke on children. Silvius has appealed to the Virginia Court of Appeals.

If it was about defying the court order, the judge shouldn't have found it necessary to quote this evidence.

The medical studies are, as yet, inconclusive and sometimes contradictory. At the very least, they don't rise to the level at which legal decisions should be based on them.

That said, I think it's reprehensible to expose your kids to smoking.

I don't think she should be going to jail. I think the husband should haul her into court to change the custody agreement based on her potentially endangering the kids. They can argue the merits there.

6 posted on 08/13/2004 5:33:10 AM PDT by Egon (Kerry in 1970: Don't suppose he voted FOR assasinating our leaders, before voting against it...)
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It was defying the court order that got her arrested, not the smoking. The smoking was the basis of the court order, however the judge had already ruled on it. Therefore she OUTRIGHT DEFIED THE JUDGE. She may not see it that way, as people rationalize whatever they want to rationalize. I dare say her defiant, disobedient and arrogance is why she is divorced in first place. Some people don't want rules, the children suffer.

If she had been told not to drink around the children, and she defied it...everyone here would be up in arms over that kind of behavior...smoking is also dangerous just not as severe. HOwever the real issue here is she refused to obey a court order.


8 posted on 08/13/2004 5:34:30 AM PDT by Kackikat (,Kerry=the counterfeit, GWBush is the real deal!)
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What can you say? Judges are notoriously picky about court orders.


9 posted on 08/13/2004 5:35:13 AM PDT by Wolfie
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In reading the article, it does not define what "smoking around the children" means. For all we know, she had the kids, and stepped outside to smoke, yet still go in trouble.

All that aside, this custody settlement is ridiculous, and I cannot believe her lawyer let it stand. It appears the ex husband is doing everything he can to keep her away from the children.

I would say there is far more to this divorce than meets the eye, and the smoking issue is a symptom of the divorce. I mean, can you imagine? An 8 and a 10 year old would have no problem telling daddy "Mom was smoking again!!"


11 posted on 08/13/2004 5:35:39 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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If she couldn't abide by the terms of the custody agreement, she shouldn't have signed on to the custody agreement.


12 posted on 08/13/2004 5:36:34 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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Regarding the second-hand smoke issue...my grandparents each smoked 3 packs of menthol cigarettes a day. Neither my mother, nor my uncle, nor any of the grandchildren have suffered any long term health problems due to their smoking. I spent a lot of time with my grandparents and it never bothered me. I never said "I don't want to go to Nana and Grandpa's because they smoke."

However, the mother in this case shouldn't have agreed to the demand by her ex-husband if she didn't intend to comply.


18 posted on 08/13/2004 5:40:40 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (A proud member of the bourgeoisie since 1966)
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She got what she deserved. The issue isn't the her smoking. She agreed not to smoke as a condition of the custody agreement, then broke the rules.





19 posted on 08/13/2004 5:42:16 AM PDT by Jaysun (Let me take yet another opportunity to tell the "moderates" to shove it ....... then twist it.)
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She only smoked twice in a year with the kids, I think hubby is out to get her. He is probably a self rightous son of a gun.


21 posted on 08/13/2004 5:45:21 AM PDT by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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Mom sent to jail for doing something legal in front of her kids?

Weird.

34 posted on 08/13/2004 6:10:54 AM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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Puff


43 posted on 08/13/2004 6:27:32 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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If the mother agreed to this during the custody arrangements then the father should take her to court.
The judicial system got involved where it shouldn't have, IMO.
The judge issues an injunction against the mother because she SMOKES while she has temporary custody of her children. If the judge can PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, with scientific peer reviewed studies, that ETS is an immediate danger, THEN he should issue an injunction.

Of course what this is all about is the father wanting to get back at the mother for something. At least IMO.

45 posted on 08/13/2004 6:47:43 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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We better authorize the government to monitor the diets of all children and use the force of government guns to make sure that parents are only feeding the chilrrruuuunnnn approved food groups!

The camel's nose is under the tent with much celebration by many Freepers!


49 posted on 08/13/2004 6:57:14 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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Yeah, Give me a break.


51 posted on 08/13/2004 6:59:57 AM PDT by freekitty
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Yeah, she was sent to jail for defying the court order -- however, she should have more basic responsibility ***AND COMMON SENSE*** than to smoke around her kids, if the issue here is that she was close enough for them to breathe that disgusting, vile, carcinogen.

It's one thing to have total lack of respect for yourself, as well as disregard for your own health (Americans should continue to have the right to do stupid things...I strongly advocate that!)....however, to heap that on your children who may have no choice but to breathe your smoke is intolerable.

On this site, we get so up in arms about the abortion issue. I myself, do not condone abortion as it is a horrible practice.

By the same token, shouldn't we also stand up for the vulnerable children who HAVE BEEN brought into this world? When that world is a smoky, cancer-causing cesspool, I applaud that man for having the balls to have the "no smoking around the kids" clause put into the divorce decree.

I think he exhibited admirable courage to stand up for his kids' health.

Argue with it all you want....but just as we are fighting to get our President four more years - through all the lies being spun up by the left and THEIR denial of the basic truths WE know to be apparent - let's not get caught up in our OWN denial of the hard truth that smoking is a one-way dead end street -- and it DOES affect more than just the smoker!!!




52 posted on 08/13/2004 7:14:40 AM PDT by Don Simmons (Against ALL Enemies -- Foreign AND Domestic)
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The person who needs to be in Jail is that idiot Judge who gave her the order.

Tobacco is a legal product, and until it is made ILLEGAL, that sorry sack of skunk crap has no business telling anyone what they can do with a legal substance.


60 posted on 08/13/2004 7:45:58 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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So, doesn't anyone see this as legislating from the bench?

We are supposed to be a nation of laws.

What LAW was broken? Show me the LAW passed by the LEGISLATURE that makes smoking around your own children a crime.

75 posted on 08/13/2004 8:24:13 AM PDT by houeto
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