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Did anti-war protestors actually PROLONG the VietNam War?
auzerais
Posted on 08/25/2004 8:55:55 PM PDT by auzerais
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I tried doing a search of Giap and anti-war demonstrations, but couldn't come up with anything.
With Kerry now claiming that he and his anti-war group "helped end the Vietnam War", it may be the time to re-open this debate and get some clarity for ourselves and especially talkshow hosts to counter the leftists' claims.
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posted on
08/25/2004 8:55:56 PM PDT
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auzerais
To: auzerais
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posted on
08/25/2004 8:59:19 PM PDT
by
quantim
(Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
To: auzerais
At www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/samples.asp, look at the video clip of James Warner, POW (at bottom of page) for his thoughts on this.
To: auzerais
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:02:38 PM PDT
by
highlander_UW
(" Just bear in mind that there is no Botox for the soul.". - Sam Smith)
To: auzerais
Kerry and his group, VVAW, helped colour public opinion against the war. We had made promises to support the Republic of Vietnam, but Kerry, et al made Vietnam such a hot potato that Congress decided not to fund the Republic of Vietnam. The Northern regime, however, was supported by both the PRC and USSR. Without political, economic, and military support, the RVN collapsed when the the Northern regime invaded. When they had only a few month's worth of supplies and POL reserves, the handwriting was on the wall. The oppression of the South rests on the head of Kerry and his fellow travelers.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:03:10 PM PDT
by
Army Air Corps
(Kerry lied while people died)
To: highlander_UW
guess I did better with the link than I thought.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:03:36 PM PDT
by
highlander_UW
(" Just bear in mind that there is no Botox for the soul.". - Sam Smith)
To: auzerais
The groups pro-longed the war, and helped bring about our loss, by tying up American military resources at home (to quell violent demonstrations and to prevent more complaining about troops being deployed) and making a big political fuss whenever the Johnson or Nixon administration tried to do anything to help bring the war to a successful end.
To: Army Air Corps
The invasion to which I made reference was the 1975 campaign.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:04:24 PM PDT
by
Army Air Corps
(Kerry lied while people died)
To: auzerais
Only liberals can try and twist Un-American activity into something positive.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:04:37 PM PDT
by
TheLion
To: auzerais
Of course it helped prolong the war, Generals from North Korea have stated not only that it prolonged the war, but his (Kerry's) words and actions helped them win the war. Yes, there are N. Korean generals on the Record stating that the N. was losing the war, and they had no chance of winning and that Kerry's comments before Congress were the turning point that allowed them to win.
Kerry is a Turncoat and a traitor, period.
I think someone needs to spit in Kerry's face and call him a Baby Killer sometime during this campaign so he can taste a bit of his own medicine.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:07:25 PM PDT
by
HamiltonJay
("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
To: Army Air Corps
Well said - I was in-country from '66-'69 and in SEA till '76 - we kicked their a$$ even with our hands tied.
And then Mr. Kerry gave them what they needed.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:08:56 PM PDT
by
Bobibutu
To: auzerais
See this thread. they did 2 more mini tets and had to use NVA to work VC duty, because they were essentially destroyed as an effective fighting force. It would have ended with their defeat, or surrender soon after that had the leftists in the US not aided the N by forcing troop reductions and severely limiting actions taken against the invading N.
The statement you're looking for is Lt Col O. North's summarization of Giap's conclusions based on an NVA gen staff col's validation in his '86 book.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:12:36 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: auzerais
I think the general conclusion that can be drawn is that the Viet Cong figured if they could kill as many GIs as possible, hold on as long as they could, the US would fold and they would win. They bet the farm on the anti-war types to win the war for them. With Kerry, Fonda and the media, the VC won. The US lost the public support so Nixon ran on 'get us out of Viet Nam'. The lefties then tarred Nixon with the failure brush.
One interesting thing is Kerry actually met with the VC peace delegation in Paris and drew up surrender terms for the US. Yeah, same guy who wants to command the troops now. What a POS.
They VC were essentially defeated during the Tet offensive and they knew it. Read Giaps book. It gives a good account.
So when you hear how screwed we are in the present war in Iraq, just remember, the leftists did it in Viet Nam first. Now it's deja vu in Iraq. You might even notice it's the same leftists players on stage spreading the lies.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:13:49 PM PDT
by
snooker
To: auzerais
Of course the prolong the war. When our enemies see dissension on the home front, it only encourages them to continue thinking (unfortunately, knowing) that they have a chance of breaking our will. The same thing is happening in Iraq. Our enemies see the backbiting and second guessing of our President and our war policy and it encourages them to continue the fight. Unfortunately, they are aided by the press, foreign and domestic, that spins the debate and makes appear that our will is even weaker than it may be. They all have the blood of out troops on their hands.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:15:11 PM PDT
by
paul51
To: auzerais
Just look at Iraq for your answer. The "insurgency" began when all of the negative stories about Bush "lying us into war" came into being and it has fed on that ever since.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:15:16 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(God can send you to hell but he can't sue you. He can't find a lawyer.)
To: paul51
Apologies for the grammar and spelling. I get excited
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:16:48 PM PDT
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paul51
To: auzerais
Kerry an company helped jepardize and weaken American resolve while giving hope and comfort to North Viet Nam. I credit Bob McNamara for loosing the war.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:19:12 PM PDT
by
oyez
(¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
To: auzerais
However, because the anti-war demonstrations were truly getting massive in the US at that point,.....Not exactly. The demonstrations were getting massive press coverage. The TV press had decided that Vietnam was a lost cause and began to make it so. Film footage was broadcast over and over.
As well, Lyndon Johnson did not do anybody any favors when he declined a second term. Though I hate LBJ's guts, his backing out of the '68 election sent another message to the Viet Cong that encouraged their struggle. LBJ "started" Vietnam to insure his second term, then turned coward when the going got tough (actually, I think he wanted the Democrats to "beg" him to run again).
What Kerry's testimony did was to turn duty in Vietnam into individual struggles of survival for each American soldier. The effect of Kerry's Senate testimony was; "Every man for himself". Not unlike Kerry.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:19:21 PM PDT
by
elbucko
(A Feral Republican)
To: LibFreeOrDie
wow, check out these videos. more very honest, very average joes that were worked over by Traitor John, and they speak so simply that you know it is from the heart.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:21:05 PM PDT
by
bitt
To: Army Air Corps
The oppression of the South rests on the head of Kerry and his fellow travelers.It certainly does.
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posted on
08/25/2004 9:21:29 PM PDT
by
elbucko
(A Feral Republican)
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