Posted on 08/27/2004 2:01:17 PM PDT by Cincinna
November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation
Stewart Bell National Post ( CANADA)
August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
Only if they had no idea of the geography. It crashed on the western end of the Rockaway peninsula in Belle Harbor. That strip of land is a half mile wide. On the north you will find Jamaica Bay and on the South the Atlantic. To have set a device designed to bring the plane down within that half mile strip is a mighty task. And if successful the result is the destruction of half a dozen suburban homes and a handful of casualties. I would submit that if Al Queda had that capability there are many more high value targets than Beach 124 street in Belle Harbor.
Bingo, you hit the nail on the head.
I think destroying the American economy was a good motive. Remember how wobbly the markets - particularly airlines - were that November?
Remember the early reports by a LOT of people that they had witnessed an explosion? Later it was declared there had been no explosion, just that the wind had mysteriously ripped off the vertical stabilizer.
No way. Within minutes they told us all it was just another isolated incident, move along, nothing to see here...
Can we have a vote of no confidence in the NTSB?
That was a wierd problem with engine propellor imballance, if I remember right. Electra was the basis for the P-3 Orion.
An Electra accident that I saw a presentation over was really interesting. It was a charter flight, well after they had the wing/engine thing fixed.
They proved that it was caused by the fuel filler cover not being fastened correctly. The filler was on the leading edge of the wing root, just slightly low. On the ground, it just hung down, and looked almost closed.
On takeoff roll, stayed down and closed with the slip stream, but as soon as you pulled angle-of-attack, it popped up and open and acted like a small spoiler. That wasn't particularly a big problem, except the disturbed air bounced the horizontal, which in turn bounced the whole airplane. Bad enough that in the accident re-creation video that I saw, flight crew would have been thrown out of their seats without seat belts.
In the accident, the crew apparently was concerned about the old wing problem, and reduced power. It's a long story, but in the end, they flew into rising terrain at night because of disorientation.
During the re-creation, the test pilot crew almost did the same thing, however the flight engineer got their attention about their predicament (in daylight) and they stopped the test.
as I understand it, the pilot performed normal "engine-out" procedure. from where he was, he could not see that #1 had separated, nor was aware of the draining hydralics (he only had about 45 seconds) ... if he had known, he might have reduced lift on the starboard side ... pretty rough
in 587 I recall there were reports of fire near the rear starboard fuselage before the crash.
p.s. yes you noted the pilot's normal engine-out procedure. just restated it.
Hillary and Schumer will now ask Bush for anothe $10 billion in aid for Queens..
Osama said something like, "well that was a lot more spectacular than we expected, Allah be praised," so there are people who will argue that he never actually said Al Qaeda was involved.
To me, high fives, jubilation, congratulations, and saying "it went off better than we planned" is essentially the same as an admission.
The worst part is that people who lost loved ones in the Towers had their homes burned to the ground when the plane hit in Rockaway. A DOUBLE TRAGEDY...
>>Why would Al-Queda knock off a plane full of Dominicans?
That may well be the strongest argument against it, there just is no sense to it.
Okay. That's a sensible explanation. The timing and location, as well as the eyewitness accounts, however, make it hard to trust when you and I both know the gov't couldn't let the airline industry take another hit so soon after 9/11. NOT SAYING I don't believe it's possible it was a catastrophic failure, but the eyewitness accounts don't jive...
Hmmmm... Were there any unidentified or unaccounted for remains from the crash. Was any DNA typing done of the remains of the victims. Anyone know if there was a mysterious "Mohahmed Doe" on the flight who's DNA could be typed against some of Jdey's surviving (assuming he has dropped off the face of the earth) family members. Just thinking out loud.
What I don't like is the fact that there were three aircraft downings which were very apparently "swept under the rug"; TWA 800, AA 587, and that one where the islamic pilot was saying "allah akbar" all the way down (as recorded on the cockpit recorder). Can't remember the flight number of the last one, but I believe all three took off from a NYC airport....
Islamics su*ck, and then they die (trying to take as many "infidels" with them as they can).
They're trying to kill us. Q.E.D.!! In the name of simple self-preservation, PLEASE give me a realistic alternative to killing ALL of them (except true Turks) preemptively. OK, so I'm sounding a bit Machiavelian here, but with all seriousness aside, what choice do we have? These scum prove almost daily that "peace and love" couldn't be further from the truth. They say we are attacking them, as if they are innocent. BS! Everything we're doing is simple justice. THEY are the ones doing stupid muslim death tricks, so THEY are the ones who must and will suffer the consequences OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS.
DOGGONE I wish there were a realistic alternative (anyone have one in mind? Remember, they DO NOT want to talk about peace; they want to kill everyone with whom they don't agree, and especially Jews and Christians).
When a plane is torn apart on impact in a crash, it is not unreasonable to expect composite materials to separate due to the violent force, and therefore be in tattered condition when found. It is unreasonable to expect it to happen in a routine take-off and flight. Just because that section was in bad shape AFTER it wrecked does not mean the crash did not occur for a completely different reason.
Well, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that if he did claim credit for it, it wasn't for quite a few months, and then not directly.
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