November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation

NATIONAL POST ( CANADA) ^ | 8/27/04 | Stewart Bell

[kylaka]

The F-117 does not have a vertical stabilizer. The stabilators (partially) separated because of an airframe failure. Very different stuff.

[COEXERJ145]

Sure, the bolts on the tail just suddenly came loose, just like a spark burned through the fuel tank and caused an explosion.

Of course N14053 had suffered damage to its tail several years earlier. Previous damage to the tail of aircraft have been responsible for other accidents including one that killed 524 people.

[COEXERJ145]

Ok, then why was the 747 not grounded after JAL 123 crashed following the inflight lose of its tail?

[Rutles4Ever]

The facts are that multiple eyewitnesses at street level who told investigators (and public media outlets) that they saw an explosion followed by fire near the engine that came off BEFORE the tail section.

The fact is, the gov't refused to release the tollbooth video which would have shown the smoking wing-section and an intact tail section. To respond with "we don't believe this is terrorism" within HOURS of arriving at the site where human remains were still being tagged was the height of stupidity. Planes with detaching tail sections are grounded and/or re-designed. When a DC-10 went down at O'Hare in 1979 because of cracks in the engine pylons (the engine fell off during takeoff), the entire nationwide fleet was grounded for MONTHS for full inspections. No public company would take the risk of a repeat accident happening without an intensive review of the design and potential flaws. This never happened. Not by Airbus, not by American Airlines.

With the additional Richard Reid event over the Atlantic Ocean, just two months later, it would not be a leap to say that Reid, who specifically requested a seat over the wing section of his plane, failed to accomplish what was accomplished in NY in October.

[PaleoPal]

Yeah, did they EVER come up with a cause for that Pittsburgh crash? After years and years, there was no official verdict. Yet, the plane in Queens was still burning and they "knew" it wasn't terrorism.

If only one plane had crashed 9/11, we'd be told it was "pilot error".

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DITTO TWA800

Looks like the republican big ole' guns are beginning to fire.....fast and loud.

Wonder what's next? Oh boy!!! ;o)

Since Kerry's campaign is imploding...this is getting fun!!!

[somemoreequalthanothers]

Kind of makes you want to know if the plane you are about to board has sufferred previous damage, eh?

[HitmanLV]

Well this is a legit Bush coverup he needs to own up to now.

[Rutles4Ever]

Chicago, 1979. American 191. That's exactly what happened.

Not quite. It had help from maintenance crews in Tulsa that were servicing engines by using a fork-lift to remove them from the pylons instead of the Boeing-recommended method. They ended up cracking the pylons in numerous DC-10's, which would have shared the same fate as 191 if the fleet was not entirely grounded for intensive inspections.

[ncpatriot]

Have there been any commercial airline crashes in US since the AA flight 587 in Queens NY in Nov 2001?

[1L]

Unless AQ designed and manufactured the Airbus, this is near impossible.

Its much easier to believe an Airbus lost its rudder and fell out of the sky than to believe AQ had anything to do with it. Besides, this isn't the Clinton administration that was trying to keep from dealing with terrorism and foreign policy at all costs. If AQ was behind this, the Bush admin would know it and use it as another justification to destroy them.

[alrea]

passenger list

[COEXERJ145]

nah, the engines just fell off by themselves ... happens all the time ... [/sarcasm]

On May 25, 1979, an American Airlines DC-10-10, Registry N110AA crashed due to just that. As the aircraft began its rotation, the Number 1 (port) engine and pylon separated from the aircraft. It flew up and over the wing ripping out fuel and hydraulic lines. This caused the slats on the left wing to retract. When the crew followed the standard procedure for an engine failure, they reduced power on engines 2 & 3. This caused airspeed to drop and due to the asymmetrical slats caused by the engine tearing away, the left wing stalled and N110AA fell to earth killing all 270 people on board and 2 on the ground.

[Henchman]

DITTO all that stuff. This guy Jday is on the plane, attributed to Al=Quada, he is no where to be found, hundreds of witnesses say it was an explosion and a crash; the FBI issued a satement saying it was an accident, WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU WANT¿

[RightthinkinAmerican]

The headline. It's misleading.

[RightWhale]

a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin

The event was near the tail. They can't spin this much harder.

[RightthinkinAmerican]

They should have said "XXX claims it was al-Qaeda operation.

[johnb838]

On the day of the wreck, while it was still burning, NTSB officials were jumping up and down and screaming that it wasn't terrorism.

Hmmmm... this was what caused the downfall of the Spanish government, wasn't it. It just hit me that if Richard Reid had been successful, it would have been just another isolated incident. This really gets under my skin.

[PaleoPal]

Another thing that bothers me: Why isn't the flight attendant who stopped the "shoe bomber" a household name? What an incredible act of heroism! Yes, it was a British flight, but why was that story denied by our government, then glossed over?

[Rutles4Ever]

Improper repair of the bulkhead while being supervised by Boeing engineers after a tail strike in 1978.

Boeing knew this specific plane had previous damage repair done to the tail section. There was no reason to assume that it was a design flaw.