Navy Documents for 1st Purple Heart PROVE Kerry is lying (VANITY)

28 August 2004

[P-Marlowe]

The fact that Kerry thought there might be an enemy there does not mean that there was enemy "action." If an enemy had pointed a gun at Kerry, then yes, he would be responding to enemy "action."

Since there was no after action report, I would have to assume that the round was fired indiscriminately and unnecesarily.

[bluecollarman]

Sure there was enemy action, they were firing at the enemy.
Kerry's m-16 jammed. I agree it was self inflicted.

[Peach]

From the Washington Post, another Kerry lie is revealed:

The Kerry campaign has refused to release Kerry's personal Vietnam archive, including his journals and letters, saying that the senator is contractually bound to grant Brinkley exclusive access to the material. But Brinkley said this week the papers are the property of the senator and in his full control.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201591/posts

[AFPhys]

Sen.Kerry,

Please sign Standard Form 180 so we can get all these questions behind us and start talking about the important issues.
.

[bluecollarman]

No, the Admiral was on board remember? All witnesses say they were firing at the enemy. I have not heard anyone say Kerry just grabbed a m-79 and fired it for no reason. Have you?

[P-Marlowe]

Sure there was enemy action, they were firing at the enemy.

Is that documented some place? Or were they thinking there was an enemy and were they just firing at some movement in the bushes? (i.e, "randomly shooting at civilians, shooting dogs for fun, cutting off ears....."

[bluecollarman]

This was part of the training. To fire on VC running weapons I think. I don't know the answer to your question but have read reports that there were VC there.

Since there is no report available we may never know. Why was there no training report written? Surely there is a log somewhere. The Navy logs everything.

The thing that bothers me about this is that the Admiral says he was on board. Kerry was in fact nicked and yelled at for firing the M-79 too close to the boat. Why didn't the OIC at least make some report of it?

[P-Marlowe]

Why didn't the OIC at least make some report of it?

Probably because filing a report that would include information about a junior officer firing a grenade so close to his own ship that one of his crew was "injured" (even himself) would probably spell the end of the career of that junior officer.

I doubt that that is the kind of mistake that the Navy would want to see repeated. Schachte was probably trying to save Kerry's career.

[bluecollarman]

Is that documented some place? Or were they thinking there was an enemy and were they just firing at some movement in the bushes?

From "Unfit For Command":

Q: Can you describe the mission in which Kerry got his first Purple Heart?
GH: Kerry requested permission to go on a skimmer operation with Lieutenant Schachte, my most senior and trusted lieutenant, using a Boston Whaler to try to interdict a Viet Cong movement of arms and munitions. The next morning at the briefing, I was informed that no enemy fire had been received on that mission. Our units had fired on some VC units running on the beach.

We were all in my office, some of the crew members, I remember Schachte being there. This was thirty-six years ago; it really didn't seem all that important at the time. Here was this lieutenant, junior grade, who was saying ''I got wounded,'' and everybody else, the crew that were present were saying, ''We didn't get any fire. We don't know how he got the scratch.'' Kerry showed me the scratch on his arm. I hadn't been informed that he had any medical treatment. The scratch didn't look like much to me; I've seen worse injuries from a rose thorn.

[P-Marlowe]

Giving Kerry every benefit of the doubt, then I suppose there was "enemy action". The enemy was running away. Technically that could be considered "action."

If Kerry insists on a purple heart for getting a scratch from his own grenade in such a situation, then give it to him. It is a testament to his dishonor that he would even request one for this incident. Let him wear it as a badge of dishonor.

[tillacum]

He needs to do more than apologize to the POW/MIA families..he didn't conceal the files..HE SHREDDED MOST OF THE LIVE SIGHTING FILES! He belongs in jail.

[campfollower]

FYI, it's taken a lot longer than three weeks to get the story out. The story NEVER would have gotten out without the money for the first ads! These guys have been trying since early May to get coverage, which is almost proof right there that there's no big republican backing.

This is completely NOT politics as usual, and the politicians themselves are likely more amazed than anyone about what's transpired.

Thank GOD for the tenacious and brave nature of these men.

Ta-ray-sa Kerry said yesterday that this is hurting the morale of our troops in Iraq, but I can bet you that any news of this is only serving to cement the Swiftees place of true admiration. They exhibit, 35 years later, the kind of unit cohesiveness and fighting spirit that our guys strive for. And to think they're Navy!!!

Semper Fi!!

[kellynla]

Oh, we know that the first PH was erroneously awarded.
No enemy contact on the day Kerry claimed he was WIA.
His crew admitted so and Kerry's C.O. refused Kerry's request for a PH. Kerry spent the next three months looking for someone to "sign off" on the PH. Which someone eventually did...we still don't know who the guilty party was though..
In fact the Kerry campaign this past week so much as admitted that the PH was "accidentally self-inflicted?"
Whatever the hell that means? LOL And Kerry was erroneously awarded the medal.
Kerry knew it was a lie, his crew knew it was a lie, his C.O. knew it was a lie and now you know it was a lie! LMAO


We're working on the second and the third PH now. LOL

Semper Fi,
Kelly

[television is just wrong]

He can't be lying, he's a democrat. (sarcasm) of course.

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[Mike Darancette]

I thought that every Navy ship/boat had a daily Captain's Log.

[RottiBiz]

I don't have a military background, but from what I've learned from O'Neill speaking on TV and reading U.F.C., the situation you describe would be considered a self-inflicted wound and no Purple Heart would be awarded.

[bluecollarman]

The correct answer is "It depends". It is purely a judgment call as to whether or not the man was "grossly negligent" when firing at the tank.

[Uncle Hal]

It is obvious there is something in Kerry's files that he does not want the public to see. They would probably show he lied about certain events or that he was reprimanded severely or something else that makes him unfit to command. I wish there is someway we could get those files out.

[RottiBiz]

"Sure there was enemy action, they were firing at the enemy. Kerry's m-16 jammed. I agree it was self inflicted."

If you read Admiral Schachte's statement on the other thread, you will understand the reason why Kerry was firing.

The operation consisted of allowing the skimmer to drift silently along shorelines or riverbanks to look or listen for sounds of enemy activity. If activity was identified, we would open fire with our automatic weapons, and if we received fire, we would depart the area as quickly as possible, leaving it to air support or mortar fire from a Swift Boat standing off at a distance to carry out an attack.