Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)

Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks and AMEN to all that!

[Timeout]

Presstitutes, Media Wing of the Democrat Party, Lamestream

Don't forget my favorite: MediaCrats

[Mike Fieschko]

Separated 17/2/72, if I recall correctly from his DD214. Go to the KerryEdwards site. It's there.

Thanks. It is there in pdf format, and he was separated 17 Feb 1972.

Kerry met with the VC and DRVN in Paris in 1971 and appeared before the Fulbright committee in 1971. He was still USN then.

[Cboldt]

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html <-- Records

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/combat_reports.html <-- After-action Reports

[MizSterious]

Thank you!

[Timeout]

I seem to recall that he was "Navy Reserve, Inactive" between 1970 and 1972. Then went active in Reserves and was discharged in '78. It's been a while since I looked at the documents, though.

(Chieftain, can you answer this question?)

[Timeout]

What is the difference between "separated in 1970" and "honorably discharged in 1978"? What does that mean?

[txrangerette]

McCain said "dishonorable"; Bush
never even came close to slurring
the Vets personally, just doesn't
like ALL 527s.

He did say he thinks Kerry served
"honorably". That is minimum for
him to comment in his role as the
President, about a Senator and
opponent. The least he could say.
Kerry's records say "honorable";
that's all Bush knows for sure.

If Kerry is NAILED by O'Neill,
the Media etc, where dishonor by
Kerry is proven, he will react in
good time.

Note, nobody has asked him about
Kerry's testimony, pro-enemy acts,
etc. I think he may well use 'em.

[GretchenM]

In another five years, the entire country will be wired.

I don't understand what that means.

[Doohickey]

Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. Unlike HS diplomas, award citations aren't "fill in the blank". The highest award I have is the Navy Achievement Medal. I got five such awards during my thirteen years, and every single citation is different.

[Timeout]

Here's a Kerry Timeline which includes the military records. I haven't checked its accuracy, but it looks pretty thorough.

[Nov3]

Yes he was in the reserves. It is more lies.

[Mike Fieschko]

I seem to recall that he was "Navy Reserve, Inactive" between 1970 and 1972. Then went active in Reserves and was discharged in '78.

The DD214 on the johnkerry.com site (pdf format) states he was separated 'continuing on active duty as Ensign, USNR' on the first page, and on the second page 'released from active duty and transfered to Naval Reserve'.

It's been 30+ years since I looked at a DD214. Is there an inconsistency between what's on page one and what's on page two?

[Cboldt]

Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. Unlike HS diplomas, award citations aren't "fill in the blank". The highest award I have is the Navy Achievement Medal. I got five such awards during my thirteen years, and every single citation is different.

Thank you for your service.

Read on, I've "been corrected," and this thread has lenty of good dialogue on the subject.

[mewzilla]

And they are not used on Silver Star citations -- I called and checked with someone who used to be an Exec to the AF Chief of Staff.

So if Lehman didn't sign it, and it shouldn't have been autopenned....

Oh, boy...

[hiredhand]

Oh yes! ...and I didn't even think of that! :-)

[redrock]

VERY interesting.

I've always wondered how POS Kerry got 3 different versions of his Silver Star Citation...since it is customary to AMEND the original..NOT replace it.

redrock

[Chaguito]

You're right regarding Mr. Bush and "dishonorable" - it was McCain and most recently Glenn. But joining McCain in threats of lawsuits, while it may be for political cover and to keep McCain on the reservation, smacks of agreement with him. My main point is that it risks keeping the demoralized from the polls. I don't think I'm wrong about this, but it's only a gut feeling.

[txrangerette]

Uhhhhh...the "V" does not appear
on any of the 3 differing Silver
Star Citations, so I read. BUT,
Kerry's website lists a "Silver
Star with V" in a listing of his
decorations. Ain't no such thing!

[Mike Fieschko]

What is the difference between "separated in 1970" and "honorably discharged in 1978"? What does that mean?

Separation is a change in the member's active or reserve status. It is the more general term. A member is discharged when all avctive or reserve obligations are complete.