Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)

Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

[Grampa Dave]

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[Cboldt]

This rewritten citation is completely out of the norm, yet you want to see it as a simple administrative "sanfu". That is your right, but among those who know, it makes you look ignorant.

I will STFU forthwith, sir.

Thank you for your service.

[mwl1]

Drudge has the story up

[LuckyHat]

Kerry is a crazy DUMBA$$ to think that he could forge the Secretay of the Navy's signature and then Kerry wrote his own citation in his name.

Why would he post this on his website?
Did he think Lehman wouldn't see it?

Even if you forgive the crazy part of it, this is just stupid.

EVEN THE COMMUNIST ARE TAKING [HIM AND KENNEDY] OUT OF THIER WAR HEROS MUSEUM!!

(i just can't believe this crazy dumba$$ lost America the war in Vietnam, altered the course of history, and caused the death of millions!)

[Momto2]

"There seems to be a pattern!!"

I AGREE..... OBSESSION is the word. If there were only one little change - it might be explained away by any number of excuses.... But look at the whole picture - IMHO - taking his movie camera along to document himself starts it all - then he adds things to his record - even as recently as 2001 - And that story about the license plate (PH3) Is that for real???? This reminds me of 2000 when all those lies told by Gore starting coming out ....

[Travis McGee]

You can bet that some MSM reporters are tired of playing "catch up" to the new media, and are smelling Pulitzers in this story. THeir MSM editors will not be able to stop them now. The story will come out.

[Grampa Dave]

"My. It appears the Viet Cong's favorite liberal congressman has a fake silver star to go along with his status as "war hero."

"Kerry's "patriotism" obviously consists of being a fake and a fraud who fights for the other side."

How about: "John Fraud Kerry, the pathological serial liar and traitor!"

[Republican Red]

From another thread. An article by Kate O'Beirne on Kerry's comments on Adm Boorda's suicide:

Veterans said yesterday that although they would take offense at someone falsely wearing a "V" combat pin, they couldn't see how this could drive Navy Adm. Jeremy Michael Boorda to suicide.

“Is it wrong? Yes, it is very wrong. Sufficient to question his leadership position? The answer is yes, which he clearly understood,” said Sen. John Kerry, a Navy combat veteran who served in Vietnam.

Citing uncertainty of whether Boorda deliberately wore the pins improperly, Kerry added: “If he made a mistake, in my judgment it wasn't worth his life, so I'm very sad about it.” And let us consult the Boston Globe for the same day:

“The military is a rigorous culture that places a high premium on battlefield accomplishment,” said Sen. John F. Kerry, who received numerous decorations, including a Bronze Star with a "V" pin, as a Navy lieutenant in Vietnam.

“In a sense, there's nothing that says more about your career than when you fought, where you fought and how you fought,” Kerry said.

link to thread

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I just heard on FOX that there is nothing to the Swift Vets claims and that Kerry has not been hurt by it.

Who said that???

[Mo1]

I now watch that reporter from the Sun Times acting like it was all him who made the connection. (at least it is now out in the MWDP)

In all fairness .. Thomas Lipscomb has been on this story since the Dem Primaries started

Majority of the MSM ignored his articles and questions

[festus]

The Sun Times is a Chicago paper so yah its not exactly Right Wing. Its one of two major Chicago papers, the Tribune being the other. The suburbs also have the Daily Herald.

[Salvation]

**Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.**

Hmmmmm

[Grampa Dave]

"I have a feeling we are again going to hear about Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971."

If our side has anything more on that, they will probably allow Kerry the option of resigning for personal reason before coming out with it.

[PISANO]

Isn't it a Federal crime to alter military documents?

YES!! But there is an EXCEPTION. If the person who is the receipient of the alteration or if the person actually doing the alteration is a Democrat the statute does NOT apply.

[Mo1]

I was quoting SkyPilot. Lehman was SecNav 1981 to 1987, I believe, and Kerry wasn't in the Senate until 1984. Unless all Senators are 'powerful Senators', a first term Senator ought not necessarily be called powerful.

Gee and who helped Kerry get into the Senate???

His old buddy Teddy Kennedy ???

[AFPhys]

...you would know that the Lehman-autopen-signed citation contains no padding.

Please look again at the final sentence of the "Silver star" citations... after you do, you may wish to request that the Moderators remove this post, by hitting the "Abuse" button on yourself. This is too important for confusion.

[Bob]

Kerry earned all four: two on the Gridley and two on Swift Boats.

Check the campaign dates. He earned one for his Gridley cruise and the first part of his Swift time. They were both within one campaign period. A transition date between campaigns, Jan 29/30, 1968, fell during his time on the Swifts. The end of his Swift time was in that second campaign period.

He only qualified for two of them. He was wearing only two when he appeared on Meet the Press in 1971.

[mabelkitty]

He isn't.
Pay no attention to what they are saying - watch what the candidates are doing - they have internal polling that says it all.
They were wrong in 2000, they were wrong in 2002 (which, by the way, was a huge blowout for us), and they are wrong about 2004.

[Grampa Dave]

Someone should photoshop Kerry's ugly head into that photo.

[Bob]

4 bronze stars - one for each month.

That's not how they're awarded. See my previous post.