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Caller ID: Do you really know who's calling?
CNET ^ | 8/30/2004 | Ben Chamy

Posted on 08/31/2004 5:34:50 PM PDT by wjersey

Your Caller ID feature may no longer be telling the truth.

This week, a company is launching technology that will make it possible for someone to choose what appears on phones that have Caller ID, the feature for displaying identifying information about an incoming call.

It could be a different phone number, or even a few words, said Jason Jepson, founder of Star38, which has developed the commercial Caller ID spoofing service.

Sales of Star38 will be limited to licensed private investigators and collection agencies, Jepson said. The service will cost $20 a month plus airtime charges.

The technique for replacing the usual bits of identifying information, such as phone number and name, that accompany inbound calls was discovered a few years ago by hackers. Privacy advocates fear that in the wrong hands, commercial services have the potential to be abused. For instance, telemarketers could use technologies similar to Star38's to trick people into answering a call that looks like a familiar phone number.

Star38 aims to overcome the stigma created by earlier pranksters and thieves.

"Unfortunately, what's happened is some hackers have got to it first and gave it a bad name," Jepson said. "If they step back and see the forest through the trees, they'd realize what they are doing is hard and illegal. What we are doing is neither."

The company plans to explore other markets as well. For example, Jepson said he's begun talks with Musicphone, a San Francisco-based service that lets people send songs, along with personalized messages, to any kind of phone--cellular or standard.

Musicphone wants to use Star38's software to send even more information about certain artists, he said. A Musicphone representative could not immediately be reached for comment.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: callerid; privacy
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To: BullDog108; wjersey; KayEyeDoubleDee
If the collection agencies try using this service they are stepping in deep doo-doo. Consumer Protection laws regarding collection agency practices/behavior forbid use of deceitful or fraudulent acts.

Misrepresenting your identity tends to be a felony called "fraud."

I imagine that, in more than a few localities, there are District Attorneys who might be willing to try such a case.

21 posted on 08/31/2004 5:54:00 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: ProudVet77
Dude, just call them back using 1-800-CALL-ATT!


22 posted on 08/31/2004 5:54:15 PM PDT by xrp
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To: wjersey
"Unfortunately, what's happened is some hackers have got to it first and gave it a bad name," Jepson said.

How do you give misrepresenting who you are and how you can be reached, for commercial gain, a bad name. You can't wet the ocean.

23 posted on 08/31/2004 5:55:28 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: netmilsmom
Hi, Can't get to the phone right now, Please leave your name, number and a brief message and we will get back to you as soon as we can.

I have 4 rings to answer and if I don't recognize the number I don't answer!

24 posted on 08/31/2004 5:55:55 PM PDT by rocksblues (Ah! The smell of toast on a November morning.)
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To: ProudVet77
What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.

I had some drunk calling me several times a week on my cell phone. I finally complained to the phone compan, and they said they couldn't do anything about it except give me a new number. I said that was the stupidest and most unreasonable thing I'd ever heard from a company in a competetive business.

I noticed, however, that the calls stopped immediately.

25 posted on 08/31/2004 5:55:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Larry Lucido

She looks very intellegent and has very nice teeth.
(Just spoke those very words to she who must be obeyed)


26 posted on 08/31/2004 5:56:54 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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To: wjersey

Great.
So this company will let perverts call women listed in the phonebook and by pass their caller ID?


27 posted on 08/31/2004 5:58:08 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: TexasTransplant
Well, let's see if I can get you in more trouble with the "one who must be obeyed."

Nice, um, fingernails.

(Now, what was this thread about again?)

28 posted on 08/31/2004 6:00:27 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: ProudVet77; LibreOuMort
Caught a new trick about a week ago. A company left a message on my cell phone, which when I listened to it called the company back. They had encoded the dialing codes into their message to me. What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.

LibreOuMort, time to get with our rep and write a new bill!!

ProudVet77, could you explain this in more detail? Surely your phone didn't dial from DTMF received in the message? Or did it?

29 posted on 08/31/2004 6:00:47 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Larry Lucido
Great, you just missed a call from Miss Delaware.

#1. Miss Delaware isn't going to be calling me.
#2. If she did and got through, I'd have lots of 'splainin' to do to the lovely, intelligent, well-educated, and far more mature Mrs. Sionnsar.

30 posted on 08/31/2004 6:04:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: sionnsar

Nope. The message was one of several on my cell phone. As I was listening to and deleting the messages, all of a sudden I was talking to someone. She did not expect to hear from me, and neither did I expect to hear her.
From what I can tell (I'm an IT type) they had imbedded the call codes in the message.
I knew that could be done on a regular phone, the phone company makes a call based on tones. Apparently, and it makes sense to me know, the call codes on a cell phone are silent.


31 posted on 08/31/2004 6:09:31 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Proud to be a FReeper)
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To: cyborg

there all elective...my local service is 11.75 a month no buttons and bells just plain old dial tone...


32 posted on 08/31/2004 6:12:11 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Political Junkie Too
This sounds like just another setup for more fees. After they deploy the Star38 product, the phone companies will offer, for a fee, the Star38 Override feature on home phones.

You're absolutely right. And I'll probably be the first in line to pay for it.
33 posted on 08/31/2004 6:12:28 PM PDT by birbear (stew.ybs@verizon.net)
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To: ProudVet77

Hmmm... Interesting. Potential for lots of abuse there...


34 posted on 08/31/2004 6:13:30 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: HAL9000
"I wonder if it could violate the identity theft laws when a "familiar phone number" is used to misrepresent the origin of the call. "

a "hacked cellphone" on "screensavers tv" will display on your caller i.d., "whitehouse, n the real whitehouse #"...

35 posted on 08/31/2004 6:22:40 PM PDT by hoot2
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To: netmilsmom

easily defeated:
"unavailable","out of area" or anyone not recognized=
no answer.
I'm sure Congress will pass a new law to save us all from
the invasion of the privacy snatchers.


36 posted on 08/31/2004 6:25:02 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece)
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To: hoot2

Just saw a link to a company that does just that the other day. You use their service to mask your actual phone number. Was posted right here on FR.
Perhaps the moderator can do a text search for the entry. Key word would be private investigator. I remember that phrase in the text.


37 posted on 08/31/2004 6:28:33 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Proud to be a FReeper)
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To: wjersey
My last name is White so I typically answer the phone "White House". You'd be surprised how many telemarketers hang up immediately. Also, I told my wife if she married me, I promised one day she would live in the White House, and I was true to my word.
38 posted on 08/31/2004 6:45:07 PM PDT by Boiling point (If God had not meant for man to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Now that WILL get me in trouble, we never discuss fingernails, it is an unwritten Law.


39 posted on 08/31/2004 6:53:47 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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To: ProudVet77
Caught a new trick about a week ago. A company left a message on my cell phone, which when I listened to it called the company back.
They had encoded the dialing codes into their message to me. What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.

Save the message and talk to a lawyer.
40 posted on 08/31/2004 9:20:15 PM PDT by NationSoConceived ("Truth bestows no pardon upon error, but wipes it out in the most effectual manner." - M.B.E.)
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