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Who is Ghengis Khan?
Footprints + ^ | September 2, 2004 | MIne, Mine

Posted on 09/02/2004 1:08:33 PM PDT by OESY

Despite some recent FReeper posts, one question that has not been satisfactorily answered is, What did Kerry mean when he testified before Congress that our troops in Vietnam "razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan"? Who is Ghengis Khan?

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Genghis Kahn, or Ghengis Khan (interpreted as either "precious warrior" or "spirit of light") as he is more widely known, was born about the year 1162. On a hunting trip when young, he was ambushed by an enemy tribe and taken prisoner. While prisoner he killed his guard and escaped. The enemy searched, but excellent survival skills kept him alive until he could meet up with his own tribe. This act of courage spread his name to all parts of the Mongolian plains. By age 17, he had thousands of supporters under his command. By 1204, he had defeated all rival Mongol clans. He was given the honorary name of "Khan of Khans" (King of Kings).

"The greatest happiness is
to vanquish your enemies,
to chase them before you,
to rob them of their wealth,
to see those dear to them
bathed in tears, to clasp to
your bosom their wives
and daughters."
--Ghengis Khan

In 1207 he began a crusade to conquer the lands of China, taking Beijing in 1215. With northern China under his control he now turned his attention westward. After a Mongolian caravan was slaughtered by the Persian Shah, Ghengis led an attack force of 90,000 men from the north and sent a general with 30,000 men to attack from the east. Though he was outnumbered by the Shah's army more than 400,000 men, Ghengis's army was victorious, allowing a full scale invasion and occupation of the several empires. From this campaign the Mongols acquired the knowledge of burning arrows, the "fire that flies". With subsequent victories, other new methods of warfare were acquired that made his armies stronger and more deadly.

In 1223, 20,000 Mongol warriors devastated a Russian army of 80,000, beginning the period of the ‘Tatar Yoke.’ The Mongols quickly fought their way across Russia and into Europe, destroying entire cities in Russia, Hungary and Poland in their wake. In 1227, Ghengis Khan, a master horse rider, fell from his horse during a hunt and died shortly after.


With Heaven's aid I have conquered for you a huge empire.
But my life was too short to achieve the conquest of the world.
That is left for you.
--Ghengis Khan, to his sons who proceeded to conquer southern China


Upon his death the main expansionist phase of Mongol conquest ended as the armies returned home to elect a new Khan. While normally thought of as a despot Ghengis Khan was also generous and loyal, highly charismatic, and expected loyalty from everyone.

Mongols did not invent tactics, such as the feigned retreat which they used to great effectiveness, but Ghengis's great contribution was a highly organized military command system which cut across lineages and ensured loyalty to the leader. Initially, nobility was an advantage, but he promoted based on ability and loyalty. Commanders were indeed "Mongol", but the soldiers were drawn from allies and conquered areas. Engineers from conquered pacified populations were put into action as siege experts, and even the cavalry was a mixture of Mongol and other nomadic groups.

The outstanding success of the Mongol conquests has been attributed to a network of spies which provided extensive information on an enemy before battle. Also, psychological warfare was a major factor as cities in Central Asia met with total destruction. However, if a city capitulated, Ghengis was usually content to let them be, once their defenses had been pulled down. Only those who resisted faced the sword. This not only wiped out resistance, but more importantly, word quickly spread of the wrath of Ghengis Khan, breaking the will to resist.


All who surrender will be spared;
whoever does not surrender
but opposes with struggle and dissension,
shall be annihilated.
--Ghengis Khan


Ghengis Khan followed the Mongol religion, which centered on the worship of a sky god, the "Eternal Blue Heaven" as did his sons and successors, but he allowed freedom of religion in the lands they conquered. Nevertheless, 30 million Chinese were slaughtered, a couple of million Russians and other Europeans, as well as another couple of million Muslims at a time when the Arabs were rising to the peak of their power.

Thus, Ghengis Khan's legacy is one of hordes who attacked on horseback, defeated huge armies, razed many cities, while leaving smoking ruins and eventuallly 35-50 million dead. The Mongols won nearly every battle they fought, and toppled the mighty Persian empire and other middle eastern empires. They nearly obliterated Islam, and pushed as far west as Africa.

Is this the Ghengis Khan John Kerry intended to associate with our troops in Vietnam? We can be certain that America's enemies used Kerry's words to brand our troops as murderous hordes that killed and burned villages wantonly. It was also the rationale our enemy use to justify killing our troops or torturing the POWs they held.

In my opinion, this constitutes further evidence that John Kerry is unfit to be president, the commander in chief of our armed forces, and moral leader of the Western world. How could the troops under his command who must fight the War on Terror ever have confidence or loyalty to a such commander as John Kerry who has been so reckless with the truth and so irresponsible in Judgment? How could we, the American people?

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Sources: http://www.greenkiwi.co.nz/footprints/mongolia/ghengis_history.htm

FReeper posts:
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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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1 posted on 09/02/2004 1:08:35 PM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY
Not to be overly pedantic, but it's spelled (and pronounced) Jen-jis Khan.
 
I should know, I went to a fancy pants Swiss Boarding School.
 
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

2 posted on 09/02/2004 1:11:23 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (“Thank God for Canadians, they’re just like us, only better.” Michael Moore)
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To: OESY

That's "Jengis Khan"


3 posted on 09/02/2004 1:11:37 PM PDT by narby (Zell Miller - NOT a girlie-man)
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To: narby

Wasn't he Madelline Kahn's father?


4 posted on 09/02/2004 1:12:27 PM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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To: OESY

Excellent post. Thanks.


5 posted on 09/02/2004 1:15:30 PM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL.


6 posted on 09/02/2004 1:16:06 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Owl_Eagle

Bwahahaha!


7 posted on 09/02/2004 1:16:39 PM PDT by Constitution Day ("The Democratic tent has shrunk to the size of a dunce cap." - Zell Miller)
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To: capt. norm
... And lover.
8 posted on 09/02/2004 1:17:24 PM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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To: OESY

Temujin!


9 posted on 09/02/2004 1:19:05 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: OESY

KAAAAAAAAAAHHHHNNN!-kirk


10 posted on 09/02/2004 1:19:50 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Hal Jordan returns!)
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To: OESY

Shaka Khan?


11 posted on 09/02/2004 1:20:05 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I'm Conspiracy Guy and I approve this message. "John Kerry is a liar!")
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To: OESY

I am looking at some CHINGGIS KHAN Mongolian Vodka right now. When I was there, they were just rediscovering their history and everthing was named Chinggis Kahn.

Great people, would like to visit them again sometime.


12 posted on 09/02/2004 1:20:22 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

It's pronounced "Ghengis" here.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but to pronounce it the common way isn't wrong either.

The fact that Kerry pronounces it the sissy European way tells me a lot about him.


13 posted on 09/02/2004 1:20:59 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: OESY

Okay where's the Captain Kirk 'KHAAAANNN!!' web link? :-)


14 posted on 09/02/2004 1:22:39 PM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: OESY
God bless Genghis Khan. It was his hoards which stopped Arab imperialistic expansion and caused a severe crisis of confidence among the Muslims.

About a third of his commanders were Christians. (Nestorians I believe.) If the Organized Christians (Catholics and Orthodox) weren't such jackasses they would have welcomed the Christian Mongols and put an end to the evil that is Islam.

15 posted on 09/02/2004 1:23:36 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Guillermo

I'm with you. Sissy boy's pronunciation only makes me more apt to use the Americanized version, with hard G's.


16 posted on 09/02/2004 1:24:28 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("I'm John Kerry, and I approved this outright lie.")
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Chaka Kahn


17 posted on 09/02/2004 1:24:53 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I'm Conspiracy Guy and I approve this message. "John Kerry is a liar!")
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To: OESY
"They nearly obliterated Islam, "

I can't stand it when people don't finish their jobs and leave it for someone else to do.
18 posted on 09/02/2004 1:24:54 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: OESY

Wasn't he one of Captain James T. Kirks old running buddys?


19 posted on 09/02/2004 1:25:44 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Khan Artist?


20 posted on 09/02/2004 1:27:24 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: OESY
More importantly, he inspired this fine film...
21 posted on 09/02/2004 1:27:37 PM PDT by j_k_l
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Is Shaka Khan Shaka Zulu's sister?


22 posted on 09/02/2004 1:28:30 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: OESY
Chingis Khan means Khan between the oceans (in other words, ruler of the whole steppe.)
He was never given the title of Khan-Khan (or Khagan) as Temujin was not of one of the royal/priestly lines among the Turks and other Altaic peoples. The only Khaganates were that of the Tibetans, Uyghurs, Kok-Turkut, and Khazars (the later two being ruled by the same Asina clan).

Temujin was a Tengrist who saw monotheism as the basis of autocracy. He famously said that as there is a great Sky God in the heavens (Tengri), so to there should be one ruler on the earth.
23 posted on 09/02/2004 1:29:08 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: OESY
According to my friends:

GHENGIS KHAN: A barbarian with political beliefs just to the left of Caipirabob.

What is this "Jen-jis" crap Kerry said in his treason film against the nation? If you pay an extra 20K per college credit you get to reinvent the names of historical figures? Did I miss something or do I now have to pronounce "Ghosts" as "Joests"?

24 posted on 09/02/2004 1:29:17 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: OESY
Who is Ghengis Khan?

John Wayne's WORST screen role. An incredible bit of miscasting. However, there was even worse miscasting in another John Wayne role when Janet Leigh portrayed a Russian female pilot in Jet Pilot without even the hint of an accent. Also the jets in the movie (made around 1949) were already obsolete when Howard Hughs released it around 1958. The plot also made no sense. Somehow John Wayne "defected" to the commies and landed with Janet Leigh in Siberia. The security of the commies was so poor that Wayne and Leigh easily stole a jet plane in Siberia and came back to the states for a steak dinner (I kid you not).

25 posted on 09/02/2004 1:34:57 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: OESY
Ghengis Khan is actually a title. The full title is "Ghengis Kha Khan" meaning roughly "Lord over the whole earth." The actual name of the first Khan was Temujin. If you want to read an excellent book on this subject, I recommend Harold Lamb's "Ghengis Khan."

Ghengis Khan stopped the crusades by his conquering of the Arabic, Turkish and Persian empires. The first major battle won by him was when he defended himself against his feudal lord, Prestor John of Mongolia. The first major battle lost by his armies were when they were defeated by the Mamelukes of Egypt.

While he was generally pretty merciful to conquered enemies, he had no use for rebellion. He especially despised the Muslim rulers of India because of their treatment of his envoys. Not to mention that he considered the Indians to be deceitufl and untrustworthy. To keep the Muslims off balance, he wiped out entire cities and regions in India.

Marco Polo had the privilege of meeting the last of the great original Khans in Xanadu.

Temujin's armies were generally much smaller than his enemies' were, but they were much better disciplined and able to communicate during the heat of battle much better.
26 posted on 09/02/2004 1:40:27 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: OESY
KAHN!!!


27 posted on 09/02/2004 1:45:42 PM PDT by capydick ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

Ah, the old Harold Lamb biography! I read it in junior high school way back in 1960! I had petty much forgotten it until you mentioned it. A good biography of its time (I think it was actually written in the '30s or '40s).


28 posted on 09/02/2004 1:47:10 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: narby
That's "Jengis Khan"

Nyet... that's "Jengis Con" !!! ;-))

.

29 posted on 09/02/2004 1:52:43 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: OESY
Laralee's Ghengis Khan "Temujin"


30 posted on 09/02/2004 1:59:00 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: OESY
Jen - Giss Kahnnnnnnnnnn!
31 posted on 09/02/2004 2:06:33 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: OESY

I don't like Kerry.

But I heartily apporve of Genghis' way of dealing with people who create problems.

We could learn a lot from him.

As for Kerry - he's just another liberal Democratic Gurlie Man.


32 posted on 09/02/2004 2:08:40 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns)
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To: capt. norm

founder of Khan's Mongolian BBQ and
Gengis Formal Wear.


33 posted on 09/02/2004 2:10:02 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece)
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To: OESY
"The greatest happiness is
to vanquish your enemies,
to chase them before you,
to rob them of their wealth,
to see those dear to them
bathed in tears, to clasp to
your bosom their wives
and daughters."
--Ghengis Khan


No. No. No. It's

"To crush yuh enemies...
To see zem driven befoe you...
And to heah ze lamentation of dere vomen."

34 posted on 09/02/2004 2:13:47 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: OESY

BTTT


35 posted on 09/02/2004 2:15:27 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: OESY
James Khan

36 posted on 09/02/2004 2:17:47 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: GeekDejure

No, its "dyenquis ghan".


37 posted on 09/02/2004 2:18:00 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: OESY
Laralee's Ghengis Khan "Temujin"


38 posted on 09/02/2004 2:19:40 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: OESY
Laralee's Ghengis Khan "Temujin"


39 posted on 09/02/2004 2:19:40 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: OESY
Laralee's Ghengis Khan "Temujin"


40 posted on 09/02/2004 2:19:41 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

41 posted on 09/02/2004 2:21:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: Guillermo; Owl_Eagle
It's pronounced "Ghengis" here. I'm not saying you're wrong, but to pronounce it the common way isn't wrong either.

No, Owl_Eagle's pronunciation is the one true and correct pronunciation. He is a graduate of L'Universite Coulottes Fancee in Bern and is quite brilliant. When my daughter needed help in her third grade Aristotlean Pangyrrhic Dialectics class, Owl coaxed her through some rough reading and assignments and spurred her on to earning a solid B+ that others had trouble simply passing.

At Tufts, Owl majored in Classical Dental History and wrote a thesis entitled "Jinjis Khan: Man of Destiny and Bleeding Gums" in which he proved that the pain suffered by the otherwise pacifist Mongol due to his gum condition led to his episodic fits of aggression that led him to concquer much of the known world.

If any one on FR knows the proper pronunciation of Khan's name, it is certainly Owl_Eagle, Ph.D.

42 posted on 09/02/2004 2:25:53 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: OESY

I believe anyone who would vote for Kerry to be president should be put in an institution or be taken out behind the shed and shot and eliminated from the gene pool.

We can NOT have a traitor and war criminal as Commander in Chief.


43 posted on 09/02/2004 2:25:56 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
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To: OESY; Howlin; Timesink; Mr. Silverback; Utah Girl; Happy2BMe; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; mhking; ...
Crush your enemies see them driven before you and enjoy the Lamentations of their women !

Conan the Barbarian= Arnold Schwarzenegger
44 posted on 09/02/2004 2:40:17 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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To: All
What is best in life
45 posted on 09/02/2004 2:46:59 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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To: OESY
After the family moved to the US, they westernized the spelling and went into formalwear rental:

46 posted on 09/02/2004 2:48:22 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: Mr.Atos; rintense

Looks like rintense's pooch!

47 posted on 09/02/2004 2:59:16 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Owl_Eagle

"Not to be overly pedantic, but it's spelled (and pronounced) Jen-jis Khan."


Wow! I didn't know they wrote in English. :)


48 posted on 09/02/2004 3:00:23 PM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Thanks for the book recommendation.

This book was also been well received, though it
is a travel narrative and only tangentially historical:


In the Empire of Genghis Khan: An Amazing Odyssey Through the Lands of
the Most Feared Conquerors in History, by Stanley Stewart, 2004, 266 pages

In this personal, witty account of travels across Mongolia by horse, Stewart mixes anecdote and history, capturing the warmth and spirit of the many people he encountered. He begins his journey in Istanbul, making his way by tramp steamer across the Black Sea, rattle-trap train from Volograd to Almaty, and a short hop by air to western Mongolia. From there he sets out across the steppes to Dadal, a thousand miles to the east. The book won the Thomas Cook Travel Award in 2001, the second Cook award for the British journalist and travel writer. ($14.95)


Many of you are correct that Ghengis Khan (a title) was born with the name of Temujin which means ’iron worker’ in his native language. When Temujin was born his fist was clutching a blood clot which was declared an omen that he was destined to become a heroic warrior.


This map reflects the Mongol Empire in 1227, when Genghis Khan died. His descendants expanded into Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and all of China. (Some accounts differ.)

The Museum of Mongolian History writes: In the West, Mongolia evokes the name of Chinggis Khan (also known by the Persianized spelling of his name, Genghis Khan) and his thirteenth century conquest of the most of the known world. His empire extended from the Mediterranean Sea to the Pacific Ocean, and the reputation of Chinggis' ruthless hordes of soldiers has endured until today.

Landlocked and strategically located between Russia, China, and Tibet, Mongolia has played a significant role in Inner Asian history. After the death of Chinggis, his grandson Khubilai Khan was the first ruler in the Yuan dynasty, a period of Mongol rule of China which lasted nearly one hundred years. Following the Yuan dynasty, various Mongolian khans attempted to recreate Chinggis's empire and dreamt of a new Mongolian age. In the sixteenth century, the Buddhist-based relationship between Tibet and Mongolia created by Khubilai was reestablished, giving rise to a renaissance in the arts, literature, political and religious structures of Mongolia.

The Mongolian lady is wearing a traditional costume outside of
Ghengis Khan's mausoleum. They await the arrival of John F. Kerry.

49 posted on 09/02/2004 3:05:46 PM PDT by OESY
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To: SkyPilot; All
Geez! Geez! Geez!

Sorry about that trrriple post. I will check my machine for hiccups!

50 posted on 09/02/2004 3:07:01 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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