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Susan Estrich Warns of Upcoming Feces from Kerry and DNC on Bush-Cheney (Unhinged DNC alert)
Creators.Com ^ | 09/03/04 | Susan Estrich

Posted on 09/03/2004 10:49:46 AM PDT by WoodstockCat

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To: WoodstockCat
My Democratic friends are mad as hell,

Anger

Anger

Anger.

Liberals are the angriest people on the face of the planet. 

Exactly how does one maintain a constant state of outrage without turning into a lunatic?

Can anyone here remember the last time they actually heard a Democrat say something genuinely nice?

 

41 posted on 09/03/2004 11:07:28 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: WoodstockCat

Interesting site: creators.com

But I liked this one better:


by Oliver North


All newspaper editors want to know what their readers like. If you would like to read this feature in your local newspaper, please do not hesitate to share your enthusiasm with your local newspaper editor.

RELEASE: FRIDAY, AUGUST 27, 2004, AND THEREAFTER



BRING IT ON, JOHN



"Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" -- Sen. John Kerry



Dear John,

As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved.

This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?


42 posted on 09/03/2004 11:08:28 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: WoodstockCat

We can think back to the last 2000 election when just a couple of days before the election, the Democrats unleashed the BUSH Driving under the influence ticket.
Before that, Bush had a probable 3 point lead. That caused Gore to get as close as he did to being President.

My point is that the Democrats are NOT beyond anything.
If they have any BS to throw the weekend before the election, they will.

They are dirty players and I don't expect that behavior to change.


43 posted on 09/03/2004 11:08:52 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: WoodstockCat
all the newspapers and news organizations that investigated the charges of the Swift Boat assassins found them to be full of lies and half-truths
 
Again, I missed where exactly this happened.  I know Tom, Dan and Peetah all told me that this happend, but they were a little light on the specifics.  Can anyone here bring me up to speed as to who investigated what and was shown to be full of lies?
Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

44 posted on 09/03/2004 11:09:15 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (“Thank God for Canadians, they’re just like us, only better.” Michael Moore)
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To: WoodstockCat

The new Democratic strategy.
45 posted on 09/03/2004 11:09:41 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: LibWhacker

woodward must have let her in to see atwater. you don't believe?


46 posted on 09/03/2004 11:10:21 AM PDT by kallisti (just a rest stop on the way to mount pyle)
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To: WoodstockCat
This lady is just purely awful. A few weeks ago, she could debate semi-sensibly. Now, she just opens her mouth and out flows the hatred.

The word on the street is that Kerry himself was ready to fire back the day the story broke, but that his campaign, believing the charges would blow over if they ignored them, counseled restraint.

Didn't Clinton use this same exact tactic? I will search for Clinton's quote.
47 posted on 09/03/2004 11:12:20 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("If you understood what communism was, you would pray that we would be communist." - Jane Fonda)
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To: WoodstockCat
Lee Atwater later apologized to me for that, too, on his deathbed.
And right afterward, Susie finished her paper route on Mars.

48 posted on 09/03/2004 11:13:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: WoodstockCat
"Who seals a perfect driving record?"

And who, I wonder, seals a perfect military service record? Why won't he release them all?

49 posted on 09/03/2004 11:14:03 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: All

by Susan Estrich


All newspaper editors want to know what their readers like. If you would like to read this feature in your local newspaper, please do not hesitate to share your enthusiasm with your local newspaper editor.

RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 2004, AND THEREAFTER



My Democratic friends are mad as hell, and they aren't going to take it any more.

They are worried, having watched as another August smear campaign, full of lies and half-truths, takes its toll in the polls.

They are frustrated, mostly at the Kerry campaign, for naively believing that just because all the newspapers and news organizations that investigated the charges of the Swift Boat assassins found them to be full of lies and half-truths, they wouldn't take their toll. The word on the street is that Kerry himself was ready to fire back the day the story broke, but that his campaign, believing the charges would blow over if they ignored them, counseled restraint.

But most of all, activists Democrats are angry. As one who lived through an August like this, 16 years ago -- replete with rumors that were lies, which the Bush campaign claimed they had nothing to do with and later admitted they had planted -- I'm angry, too. I've been to this movie. I know how it works. Lies move numbers.

Remember the one about Dukakis suffering from depression after he lost the governorship? (Dukakis not crazy, more at 11.) We lost six points over that lie, planted by George W.'s close friend and colleague in the 1988 campaign, Lee Atwater. Or how about the one about Kitty Dukakis burning a flag at an antiwar demonstration, another out-and-out lie, which the Bush campaign denied having anything to do with, except that it turned out to have come from a United States senator via the Republican National Committee? Lee Atwater later apologized to me for that, too, on his deathbed. Did I mention that Lee's wife is connected to the woman running the Swift Boat campaign?

Never again, we said then.

Not again, Democrats are saying now.

What do you do, Democrats keep asking each other.

The answer is not pretty, but everyone knows what it is.

In 1988, in the days before the so-called independent groups, the candidate called the shots. To Michael Dukakis' credit, depending on how you look at it, he absolutely refused to get into the gutter, even to answer the charges. His theory, like that of some on the Kerry staff, was that answering such charges would only elevate them, give them more attention than they deserved. He thought the American people wanted to hear about issues, not watch a mud-wrestling match. In theory, he was right. In practice, the sad truth is that smears work -- that if you throw enough mud, some of it is bound to stick.

You can't just answer the charges. You can't just say it ain't so.

You have to fight fire with fire, mud with mud, dirt with dirt.

The trouble with Democrats, traditionally, is that we're not mean enough. Dukakis wasn't. I wasn't. I don't particularly like destroying people. I got into politics because of issues, not anger. But too much is at stake to play by Dukakis rules, and lose again.

That is the conclusion Democrats have reached. So watch out. Millions of dollars will be on the table. And there are plenty of choices for what to spend it on.

I'm not promising pretty.

What will it be?

Will it be the three, or is it four or five, drunken driving arrests that Bush and Cheney, the two most powerful men in the world, managed to rack up? (Bush's Texas record has been sealed. Now why would that be? Who seals a perfect driving record?)

After Vietnam, nothing is ancient history, and Cheney is still drinking. What their records suggest is not only a serious problem with alcoholism, which Bush but not Cheney has acknowledged, but also an even more serious problem of judgment. Could Dick Cheney get a license to drive a school bus with his record of drunken driving? (I can see the ad now.) A job at a nuclear power plant? Is any alcoholic ever really cured? So why put him in the most stressful job in the world, with a war going south, a thousand Americans already dead and control of weapons capable of destroying the world at his fingertips.

It has been said that in the worst of times, Kissinger gave orders to the military not to obey Nixon if he ordered a first strike. What if Bush were to fall off the wagon? Then what? Has America really faced the fact that we have an alcoholic as our president?

Or how about Dead Texans for Truth, highlighting those who served in Vietnam instead of the privileged draft-dodging president, and ended up as names on the wall instead of members of the Air National Guard. I'm sure there are some mothers out there who are still mourning their sons, and never made that connection. It wouldn't be so hard to find them.

Or maybe it will be Texas National Guardsmen for Truth, who can explain exactly what George W. Bush was doing while John Kerry was putting his life on the line. So far, all W. can do is come up with dental records to prove that he met his obligations. Perhaps with money on the table, or investigators on their trail, we will learn just what kind of wild and crazy things the president was doing while Kerry was saving a man's life, facing enemy fire and serving his country.

Or could it be George Bush's Former Female Friends for Truth. A forthcoming book by Kitty Kelly raises questions about whether the president has practiced what he preaches on the issue of abortion. As Larry Flynt discovered, a million dollars loosens lips. Are there others to be loosened?

Are you shocked? Not fair? Who said anything about fair? Remember President Dukakis? He was very fair. Now he teaches at Northeastern University. John Kerry has been very fair in dealing with the Swift Boat charges. That's why so many of my Democrat friends have decided to stop talking to the campaign, and start putting money together independently.

The arrogant little Republican boys who have been strutting around New York this week, claiming that they have this one won, would do well to take a step back. It could be a long and ugly road to November.

To find out more about Susan Estrich, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at www.creators.com.

COPYRIGHT 2004 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.


50 posted on 09/03/2004 11:14:14 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- AND A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: Lori675
Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten that she ran Dukakis's campaign in '88.

Republican cheating is the only explanation. After all, everyone she knows voted Dukakis.
51 posted on 09/03/2004 11:14:28 AM PDT by The Great Yazoo (Hey, Hey J-K-F, How Many Vets did you Diss Today!)
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To: The_Victor

I have little interest in the overall Swift Boat debate, but you are repeating one small piece of it that I find to be a canard. Do you really believe that releasing the records will "dispel" the charges? Nothing in the official record released to date has had any effect on the debate. To the extent the charges are contradicted by the official record, the stock SBVFT response is that Kerry made up the records. Why would it be any different with additional records?


52 posted on 09/03/2004 11:14:39 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: WoodstockCat
She is such a horses ass. I guess the 250 Swift Boat Vets are lying just to get back at Kerry? No, they believe it in their hearts, I believe them.
53 posted on 09/03/2004 11:15:10 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: bootyist-monk

Yeah, as if democrats have not been slinging mud, like Bush is Hitler, for about a year now. They have still refused to answer one charge yet, and they lose credibility because of it.


54 posted on 09/03/2004 11:15:38 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: petercooper

Aughhhhhhhhhhh.....my eyes! My eyes!!!!! Aughhhhhhhhh!!!!!


55 posted on 09/03/2004 11:16:06 AM PDT by edhammond (I can say "Ketchup" in Five Languages......)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Exactly how does one maintain a constant state of outrage without turning into a lunatic?

Are you insinuating these people aren't lunatics?
56 posted on 09/03/2004 11:16:57 AM PDT by zencat (Magnetic BUSH/CHENEY bumper stickers ---> www.gwbushmagnets.com)
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To: WoodstockCat
but that his campaign, believing the charges would blow over if they ignored them, counseled restraint<<<<

This strategy only works when the "charges" really are lies. If the charges are true, they will not go away.

Are they all buffoons?
57 posted on 09/03/2004 11:18:38 AM PDT by hushpad
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hope for Kitty Kelly to say W used cocaine and paid for an abortion<<<

You'd think spreading that rumor around would endear him to liberals, perhaps it will. We conservatives have heard it all before and its NOT about the past stupid!


58 posted on 09/03/2004 11:20:52 AM PDT by hushpad
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To: WoodstockCat
Kerry himself was ready to fire back the day the story broke...

But didn't when he found that all he had to fire back were spitwads.

59 posted on 09/03/2004 11:23:18 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: petercooper

Y'know what that face reminds me of? "The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started." -- George Orwell, "1984"


60 posted on 09/03/2004 11:24:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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