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Speech: Shaken President Putin: "We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten."
My Way News ^ | Sep 4, 8:21 PM (ET) | By MIKE ECKEL

Posted on 09/05/2004 1:16:11 AM PDT by N. Beaujon

BESLAN, Russia (AP) - A shaken President Vladimir Putin made a rare and candid admission of Russian weakness Saturday in the face of an "all-out war" by terrorists after more than 340 people - nearly half of them children - were killed in a hostage-taking at a southern school.

Putin went on national television to tell Russians they must mobilize against terrorism. He promised wide-ranging reforms to toughen security forces and purge corruption.

"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," he said in a speech aimed at addressing the grief, shock and anger felt by many after a string of attacks that have killed some 450 people in the past two weeks, apparently in connection with the war in Chechnya.

Shocked relatives wandered among row after row of bodies lined up in black or clear plastic body bags on the pavement at a morgue in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, where the dead from the school standoff in the town of Beslan were taken. In some open bags lay the contorted, thin bodies of children, some monstrously charred.

In Beslan, people scoured lists of names to see if their loved ones survived the chaos of the day before, when the standoff turned violent Friday as militants set off explosives in the school and commandos moved in to seize the building.

Beslan residents were allowed to enter the burned-out husk that was once the gymnasium of School No. 1, where more than 1,000 hostages were held during the 62-hour ordeal that started Wednesday. The gym's roof was destroyed, windows shattered, walls pocked with bullet holes.

Regional Emergency Situations Minister Boris Dzgoyev said 323 people, including 156 children, were killed. More than 540 people were wounded - mostly children. Medical officials said 448 people, including 248 children, remained hospitalized Saturday evening.

Dzgoyev also said 35 attackers - heavily-armed and explosive-laden men and women reportedly demanding independence for the Chechen republic - were killed in 10 hours of battles that shook the area around the school with gunfire and explosions.

Putin made a quick visit to the town before dawn Saturday, meeting local officials and touring a hospital to speak with wounded. He stopped to stroke the head of an injured child.

But some in the region were unimpressed, as grief turned to anger, both at the militants and the government response.

Marat Avsarayev, a 44-year-old taxi driver in Vladikavkaz, questioned why Putin and other politicians didn't "even think about fulfilling the (militants') demands to save the lives of the children. Probably because it wasn't their children here."

During his visit to Beslan, Putin stressed that security officials had not planned to storm the school - trying to fend off potential criticism that the government side provoked the bloodshed. He ordered the region's borders closed while officials searched for anyone connected to the attack.

"What happened was a terrorist act that was inhuman and unprecedented in its cruelty," Putin said in his televised speech later. "It is a challenge not to the president, the parliament and the government but a challenge to all of Russia, to all of our people. It is an attack on our nation."

Including the school disaster, more than 450 people have been killed in the past two weeks in violence. Two planes crashed nearly simultaneously on Aug. 24, killing 90 people, and a suicide bomber killed eight people in Moscow on Tuesday. Chechen separatists are suspected in both attacks.

Putin took a defiant tone, acknowledging Russia's weaknesses but blaming it on the fall of the Soviet Union, foreign foes seeking to tear apart Russia and on corrupt officials. He said Russians could no longer live "carefree" and must all confront terrorism.

Measures would be taken, Putin promised, to overhaul the law enforcement organs, which he acknowledged had been infected by corruption, and tighten borders.

"We are obliged to create a much more effective security system and to demand action from our law enforcement organs that would be adequate to the level and scale of the new threats," he said.

An unidentified intelligence official was quoted by the ITAR-Tass news agency as saying the school assault was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, an Arab who allegedly represents al-Qaida in Chechnya, and masterminded by Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.

Also, the Federal Security Service chief in North Ossetia, Valery Andreyev, said Saturday that investigators were looking into whether militants had smuggled explosives and weapons into the school and hid them during a renovation this summer.

It was still unclear exactly how the standoff fell apart into bloodshed at 1 p.m. on Friday. Officials say security forces were forced to act when hostage-takers set off explosives. But some questioned that version.

The militants seized the school on the first day of classes Wednesday, herding hundreds of children, parents who had been dropping their kids off, and other adults into the gymnasium, which the militants promptly wired with explosives - including bombs hanging from the basketball hoops. The packed gym became sweltering, and the hostage-takers refused to allow in food or water.

One survivor, Sima Albegova, told the Kommersant newspaper she asked the militants why the captives were taken. "Because you vote for your Putin," one militant told her, she said.

Another freed hostage said a militant told her, "If Putin doesn't withdraw forces from Chechnya and doesn't free our arrested brothers, we'll blow everything up," according to the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.

Russian officials said the violence began when explosions were apparently set off by the militants - possibly by accident - as emergency workers entered the school courtyard to collect the bodies of hostages killed in the initial raid Wednesday.

Diana Gadzhinova, 14, said the militants ordered her and other hostages to lie face down in the gymnasium as the bodies were collected.

"They told us that there were going to be talks," she was quoted as telling Iszvestia. Others also told of how militants appeared to be confused and surprised at the initial explosions.

Hostages fled during the blasts, and the militants shot at them, prompting security forces to open fire and commandos to move in, officials said.

The explosions tore through the roof of the gymnasium, sending wreckage down on hostages and killing many. Many survivors emerged naked, covered in ashes and soot, their feet bloody from jumping barefoot out of broken windows to escape.

With families gathering for wakes for the dead Saturday, some were vowing vengeance.

"Fathers will bury their children, and after 40 days (the Orthodox mourning period) ... they will take up weapons and seek revenge," said Alan Kargiyev, a 20-year-old university student in Vladikavkaz.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chechan; chechnya; fascists; islamo; islamonuts; ossetia; putin; retribution; speech; vladimir
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A dramatic speech,a powerful article, hopefully marking a dramatic turn of events. Is it possible that this is a "tipping point"? Will the world (Europe) finally wake up? ARE THEY EVEN ANY MORAL STIRRINGS OUT THERE FROM OUR GREAT ALLIES? Has Kerry even mentioned this once or is he still out there whining about health care and scaring the seniors in nursing homes or drumming up class warfare in the rust belt over jobs? Haven't heard him mention a word.
1 posted on 09/05/2004 1:16:12 AM PDT by N. Beaujon
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To: N. Beaujon

Good post.


2 posted on 09/05/2004 1:20:10 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: N. Beaujon
"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten,"

Wow ... there's no way Kerry can mention this ... it makes the case against a pacifist like Kerry.

3 posted on 09/05/2004 1:20:46 AM PDT by Gerasimov (www.totels.com/Bush04 <-- Montgomery County Ohio for Bush!)
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To: N. Beaujon

"He promised wide-ranging reforms to toughen security forces and purge corruption." That worries me for the Russian people. Putin could use this as a way of going back to the old ways.
On the other hand I wish him luck on taking out terrorists. Perhaps he could squeeze Iran. Not sure what else he can do, the Russian Army has already proven they can't win in Chechnya.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 1:22:47 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It ain't over till the TRex throws out TF'n)
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To: N. Beaujon
Marat Avsarayev, a 44-year-old taxi driver in Vladikavkaz, questioned why Putin and other politicians didn't "even think about fulfilling the (militants') demands to save the lives of the children. Probably because it wasn't their children here."

I never would have guessed that's a French name.

5 posted on 09/05/2004 1:23:37 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: N. Beaujon

President Putin: Welcome to the real world


6 posted on 09/05/2004 1:23:39 AM PDT by Cincinna (GREETINGS from the home of the REPUBLICAN CONVENTION)
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To: N. Beaujon; DoughtyOne

Measures would be taken, Putin promised, to overhaul the law enforcement organs, which he acknowledged had been infected by corruption, and tighten borders.



This border stuff sounds all-too-familiar somehow.

Lord God, Please help Vladmir keep it together and find the right way for his people. Help him see his way clear to form new alliances and protect the future generations. Help the Russian people in their hours and days of grief, and bring them renewed hope.

Lord help us to see our future, if we don't stay the course to protect ourselves and the world from the terrible scourge of this murderous and deadly false religion. Help us get the bad guys, before they kill the innocent, not just here, but wherever they lurk and scheme to take innocent lives.

Protect the borders. keep the killers out.


7 posted on 09/05/2004 1:23:50 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Robert the "RINO")
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To: Robert_Paulson2

Diversity run amuk, and open borders...

No problem...


8 posted on 09/05/2004 1:26:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: ProudVet77

The Russian Army has been resistant to changing from a Cold War configuration to confronting the new threats of the 21st Century. It needs to shed its manpower and become a professional, mobile all-volunteer force. Perhaps the horror of Beslan will begin to bring about the necessary changes.


9 posted on 09/05/2004 1:28:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Your point is well taken, they have a very entrenched bunch of generals. But I also doubt they can afford to pay for a modern Army. And Putin seems to like to play with submarines from the cold war era. Maybe this will change his mind.


10 posted on 09/05/2004 1:32:32 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It ain't over till the TRex throws out TF'n)
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To: N. Beaujon
Marat Avsarayev, a 44-year-old taxi driver in Vladikavkaz, questioned why Putin and other politicians didn't "even think about fulfilling the (militants') demands to save the lives of the children. Probably because it wasn't their children here."

Wonder how many dozens of people this guy had to interview before he got the quote he wanted.

11 posted on 09/05/2004 1:33:17 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: N. Beaujon

Vlad must become the Impaler.


12 posted on 09/05/2004 1:33:52 AM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: N. Beaujon
financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, an Arab

What a surprise. Wonder what his "religion" is?

We pussyfoot around "sacred" shrines, while those inside plot ways to murder children in schools.

13 posted on 09/05/2004 1:34:18 AM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: N. Beaujon
"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten,"

The thing I noticed in the various pictures of Putin visiting the survivors in the hospital is that he didn't show any emotion at all. Maybe he was trying to project strength or maybe he only cares about the victims in as far as it will affect his own political position. I wonder how this plays in Russia.

14 posted on 09/05/2004 1:34:26 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: ProudVet77

Russia is still hankering for the lost days when it was a superpower under the Soviet Union. They have to rethink their military strategy and come to terms with the fact they no longer are the equal of the United States in terms of sheer military power. Today Russia has worse enemies and America is the least on the minds of the men who rule in The Kremlin now.


15 posted on 09/05/2004 1:37:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ProudVet77

Maybe this will change his mind.



yup.
Russia's most precious possessions, their pride and joy were murdered right before the world this week. It is sickening that monsters like that are breathing in this world. Jeffrey Dhamer's on steriods, and wearing the masks of Islamic Chechnyans. Scum of the planet islamists.

Nothing like a few hundred children dead and a thousand or so wounded to wake a nation up. Russia will be consulting with the Israelis on these border incursion problems we have heard... early next week. A wall won't do what needs to be done to these nations that sponsor terrorism of the islamic variety.

Anywhere you have muslims, you have problems of this nature.
And with very few exceptions, wherever you have these sort of problems, the muzzies are right there, exacerbating it for the greater glory of allah. My how they love to lick up the blood of little children, unarmed women and the elderly.

The world is getting it's wakeup call, one nation at a time.
Look at Spain's reaction. We will look at Russia's this next few weeks. And look at ours. We are not doing enough to stop these goons, and it is going to have to become the TOP priortity in every nation's fiscal budget for the forseeable future.

Russia needs a "new national defense" focus. You couldn't be more correct than that. How fast can they be up to speed?

The Chechens have basically kissed their own asses goodbye. And when they are dealt with, the world will turn a silent ear to their "woe is us, poor islamics" whine. They will reap exactly what has been sown.

The jig is up.
all those little kids.
God help.


16 posted on 09/05/2004 1:44:47 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Robert the "RINO")
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To: N. Beaujon

On Sunday, Putin should declare Chechnya a free and independent country and on Monday declare war and utterly destroy it.


17 posted on 09/05/2004 1:49:48 AM PDT by RonnG
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To: N. Beaujon

Methinks Putin has rejected Kerry's advice about running a more sensitive War on Terror. I'm looking forward to Russia's insensitive response to this outrage against civilization.


18 posted on 09/05/2004 1:50:01 AM PDT by AZLiberty (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Gerasimov

You are so right. If that man gets elected we all need to put bomb shelters in our yards and never come out.


19 posted on 09/05/2004 1:52:05 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: wideminded
The thing I noticed in the various pictures of Putin visiting the survivors in the hospital is that he didn't show any emotion at all. Maybe he was trying to project strength or maybe he only cares about the victims in as far as it will affect his own political position. I wonder how this plays in Russia.



I noticed it, too. I notice that in all pictures of Putin. He has no soul. I happen to think Putin is your classic KGB sociopath, hence my comments earlier to the effect that he betrayed us on the war on terror (or something to that effect). Someone argued that it wasnt a betrayal but that he just didnt want to get involved in Iraq, (or something like that,) I forget the exact give and take but my point was that Bush left that meeting with Putin believing he had an ally ("I looked into his soul...") I'm sure you recall that comment. It turned out, imo, that Putin had no soul, that Russia was as complicit in placating Saddam as the French and the Germans and his reasons for not joining up were the same: corruption, cowardice, lack of humanity.

Saddam was a terrorist threat in his own right, and what he and his sons were doing to his people were well known to all world leaders and any real student of foreign policy. We all knew of Uday's torture chambers and his other son's butchery. CNN certainly knew (talk about sociopathy. Liberal media moral relativism and opportunism at its unbelievable worst.) Putin knew what was going on in this part of the world but he was taking money from Saddam for oil. He was a part of the corruption. Yet he looked Bush right in the eye as if he were an ally.

I have no idea what motivates Putin other than this was an affront to his manhood. That's what I think drives Putin, pure self absorbtion. Because I do not think he cares about his people, I dont think he cares about much except himself. What is in it for himself now, I cant say. To keep his job? I doubt at this point he needs the cash. What do you think motivated this speech? Remnants of the old, "No one steps on the KGB"?
20 posted on 09/05/2004 2:07:31 AM PDT by N. Beaujon (sera@ix.netcom.com)
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