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Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard [post 47]
NYTIMES ^ | 09/09/04 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax

September 9, 2004 Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

ASHINGTON, Sept. 8 - President Bush's Vietnam-era service in the National Guard came under renewed scrutiny on Wednesday as newfound documents emerged from his squadron commander's file that suggested favorable treatment.

At the same time, a once powerful Texas Democrat came forward to say that he had "abused my position of power" by helping Mr. Bush and others join the Guard.

Democrats also worked to stoke the issue with a new advertisement by a Texas group that featured a former lieutenant colonel, Bob Mintz, who said he never saw Mr. Bush in the period he transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard.

The documents, obtained by the "60 Minutes" program at CBS News from the personal files of the late Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, Mr. Bush's squadron commander in Texas, suggest that Lieutenant Bush did not meet his performance standards and received favorable treatment.

One document, a "memo to file" dated May 1972 , refers to a conversation between Colonel Killian and Lieutenant Bush when they "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November," because the lieutenant "may not have time."

The memo said the commander had worked to come up with options, "but I think he's also talking to someone upstairs."

Colonel Killian wrote in another report, dated Aug. 1, 1972, that he ordered Lieutenant Bush "suspended from flight status" because he failed to perform to standards of the Air Force and Texas Air National Guard and "failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered."

Colonel Killian also wrote in a memo that his superiors were forcing him to give Lieutenant Bush a favorable review, but that he refused.

"I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," he wrote.

CBS, which reported on the memos on "The CBS Evening News" and "60 Minutes," declined to say how it obtained the documents.

Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director, said in an interview with CBS, the full transcript of which the White House released on Wednesday night, that Mr. Bush had fulfilled his service and received an honorable discharge. Mr. Bartlett did not dispute the authenticity of the memos but said, "When you are talking about a memo to somebody's self - this is a memo to his own file - people are trying to read the mind of somebody who is no longer with us."

He called the release of the files politically motivated.

"Every time President Bush gets near another election, all the innuendo and rumors about President Bush's service in the National Guard come to the forefront," he said.

Separately, former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes of Texas voiced regret for what he said was helping the privileged escape service in Vietnam.

"I'm not particularly proud of what I did," said Mr. Barnes, who in the 1960's was speaker of the Texas House at 26 and lieutenant governor at 30. "While I understand why parents wanted to shield their sons from danger, I abused my position of power by helping only those who knew me or had access to me."

Mr. Barnes, 66, an adviser to Senator John Kerry's campaign and an influential lobbyist with offices in Austin and Washington, said in a interview with The New York Times that he had intervened to get Mr. Bush, as well as other well-connected young men, into the Guard in 1968. He made similar comments on "60 Minutes" on Wednesday.

Mr. Barnes maintained, as he has since 1999, that he had contacted his friend who headed the Texas Air National Guard, Brig. Gen. James Rose, not at the behest of anyone in the Bush family, but rather a Houston businessman, Sidney A. Adger, a friend of the Bushes who has died.

"Yes, I called Rose to get George Bush into the Guard, I've said that," Mr. Barnes said in his office last week in Austin. "I called Rose for other sons of prominent families, and I'm not proud of it now."

Anticipating his remarks, Republicans worked to discredit Mr. Barnes as a partisan Democrat and large contributor to Mr. Kerry. The events created a new round of scrutiny for Mr. Bush, after a month in which Mr. Kerry's Vietnam service dominated the campaign because of veterans with longstanding anger at how Mr. Kerry, who was a decorated veteran, came home and turned against the war. With advertisements, through a book and on talk shows, the group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, leveled largely unsubstantiated accusations about Mr. Kerry's record and his antiwar statements.

Democrats were unabashed about turning the spotlight on Mr. Bush. Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic chairman, said in a conference call with reporters the party would keep Mr. Bush's Guard record before the public.

The events unfolded a day after the Pentagon, prompted by a lawsuit filed by The Associated Press, released a series of records on Mr. Bush's service, even though the White House had said this year that it had released all the records.

Mr. Bartlett said that the documents "demonstrate that he served his country, he logged hundreds and hundreds of hours as a fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard."

Mr. Bartlett rejected the suggestion based on Colonel Killian's files that Mr. Bush did not meet the performance standards. He said Mr. Bush did not have a physical examination because he was not going to be flying planes anymore, because his unit no longer flew the planes that Mr. Bush was trained on.

"Every step of the way, President Bush was meeting his requirements, granted permission to meet his requirements," Mr. Bartlett said.

A new commercial, produced by a group of Democrats, Texans for Truth, is to begin on Monday in five swing states that have lost high numbers of soldiers in Iraq. It features a former lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Guard, Bob Mintz, who lives in Tennessee. He told a columnist for The New York Times, Nicholas D. Kristof, for a column published on Wednesday, that he was actively looking for Lieutenant Bush at the Alabama base in the 1970's, because he had heard that Lieutenant Bush was a fellow bachelor who might like to party with him and other pilots. In the spot, Mr. Mintz said neither he nor his friends ever saw Mr. Bush.

"It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size," he says.

The unit had 20 to 30 pilots.

In a conference call with reporters on Wednesday, Mr. Mintz was pressed about his recollections and whether he might have missed seeing Mr. Bush, possibly because Mr. Bush was no longer flying at that point and was working in an office position. Mr. Mintz said repeatedly he never saw Lieutenant Bush.

Asked for friends' names who could vouch that they never saw Lieutenant Bush, Mr. Mintz declined, saying he did not have their permission to make their names public.

Glenn Smith, the main figure in Texans for Truth, said he wanted to make the spot because he was angry over the Swift Boat veterans.

Steve Schmidt of the Bush campaign said that Texans for Truth was linked to the Kerry campaign in potential violation of campaign finance laws, saying the group was "made possible by contributions" from Moveon.org, another advocacy group that opposes Mr. Bush.

Mr. Smith said that Moveon.org had financed another group that he had founded, Drivedemocracy.org, but that neither had given money to the Texans, though he said that Moveon.org had put a link on its Web site to the Texans and sent e-mail messages to its members in Texas urging them to donate to the Texans.

Mr. Smith said the Texans raised more than $300,000 in 24 hours, with one contribution for $100,000 and most of the rest in $25 donations.

Adding to the picture of Mr. Bush's service, The Boston Globe reported on Wednesday that he fell short of meeting his military requirements and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required drills.

The paper said Mr. Bush signed documents in July 1973, before he left Houston for the Harvard Business School, promising to meet his training commitments or be punished by being called up to active duty.

Mr. Bartlett said on Wednesday that Mr. Bush was given permission to attend Harvard. He said that if there were any requirements Mr. Bush was not meeting, "the National Guard at the federal level, the state level and the local level, they all knew where he was."

Katharine Q. Seelye reported from Washingtonfor this article, and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston. Raymond Bonner contributed reporting from Houston


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To: Buckhead

FR Bttt Award!!!


101 posted on 09/09/2004 11:08:41 PM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: Buckhead
Congratulations! Save this thread for posterity, hang it on the wall. You've done more than most with this one post.

Buckhead's Post #47: It's History!

102 posted on 09/09/2004 11:09:27 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (SPITBALLS?!)
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To: Buckhead; Howlin; TankerKC
Bump! You're famous! Good Job!
;-)

CBS'S BIG BLUNDER? (Credits Free Republic)

Howlin & TankerKC - Take a bow too! ;-)

103 posted on 09/09/2004 11:12:18 PM PDT by Tunehead54 ("I think there has been an exaggeration," Re: Terror Threat: See Beslan for reference. :-()
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To: Buckhead
As for my part, this tsunami would, without any doubt whatsoever, have happened w/o me, so it ain't no big thang.

Ahem, no disrespect intended, but, GET REAL! I dont possess quite as much knowledge about typewriters and the like as you do, but I have enough that I should have spotted this. But I bet I wouldnt have in a million years. And they say we conservatives arent capable of critical thinking. I say that you should apply at CBS as an 'expert', and PRONTO! Accept nothing less than a mid six figure salary, and you work at home and only when you really want to. You are obviously better than anyone they have in house. You da man!!!...JFK

104 posted on 09/09/2004 11:17:22 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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To: Buckhead

THANK YOU BUCKHEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


105 posted on 09/09/2004 11:26:38 PM PDT by ducks1944 (GOD BLESS THE USA ! !)
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To: Sparkles

PING. Check out post 47. It started here.


106 posted on 09/09/2004 11:28:01 PM PDT by tazman3
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To: Pikamax

"Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard"

Do they mean the documents that were typed in msword?


107 posted on 09/09/2004 11:28:02 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: sinkspur

>>Documents from a dead man.
How convenient.<<


Prescient.


108 posted on 09/10/2004 12:01:24 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Senator Kerry is all rice, no shrapnel.)
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To: Buckhead

Congratulations on your well deserved recognition. The fallout from this may be just enough to save the world. If it keeps kerry out of the White House, that's exactly what's been done. And you started the ball rolling. Thank you.


109 posted on 09/10/2004 12:27:59 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Buckhead

Way to go!!!!


110 posted on 09/10/2004 12:39:18 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Buckhead
I am saying these documents are forgeries, ... This should be pursued aggressively.

Congratulations! for 'the post that launched a thousand "Oh $h!t$"'.

111 posted on 09/10/2004 12:49:32 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Buckhead; Jim Robinson
I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

This thread will be one that goes down in history as a turning point in the election of 2004 that assured the survival of freedom. I will be able to tell my grandchildren that I was here on this thread.

I recommend that this thread be locked to preserve it in its original condition!

112 posted on 09/10/2004 1:01:24 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Buckhead

Buckhead, you are a HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


113 posted on 09/10/2004 1:39:27 AM PDT by Aria
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To: Buckhead
I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

Friends and I used to do this very thing to create humorous and imposable parody "newspaper clippings" back in the very late `80s and early `90s. We only ran them about 4 generations, doctoring each generation with whiteout to get rid of the pasteup "lines" from the edges of the different pieces of paper stuck together to create the "article." By the 5th generation it looked ok for just a casual glance.

What is shocking is someone or some people are so juvenile to think this old joke would pass inspection at this level of scrutiny?

Can they REALLY be that stupid?

It sounds cliche but I am genuinely surprised by this.

114 posted on 09/10/2004 2:01:52 AM PDT by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: Swordmaker


Splendid idea...kind of a FR Hall of Fame. The firstFReeper eyewitness report of Challenger's tragic accident would also qualify.


115 posted on 09/10/2004 2:06:53 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Buckhead

TEAR THE ROOF OFF THE SUCKER !!!!!!!!!!


116 posted on 09/10/2004 2:16:13 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: kphockey2

Great find: the Fraudcasters have been busted, thanks to some very sharp people of FR and the rest of the internet.

sKerry's going to be so livid at algore for inventing it.
/


117 posted on 09/10/2004 3:04:26 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; Buckhead
Buckhead, I to heck with the FReeper Award of the hour.

I hope you are nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.
.
118 posted on 09/10/2004 3:08:24 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Buckhead; Howlin; TankerKC
On second thought, and third thought:

Howlin, TankerKC, and Buckhead ought to all be coauthors cited who contributed to this Pulitzer Prize story. Other FReepers were encouraging, and added other information as well. Jim and John Robinson, plus all the others who make FR run are additional cites.

I am NOT KIDDING.
/
119 posted on 09/10/2004 3:17:15 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Pikamax
This shows the conspiracy between CBS and the slimes.......the article was planned so it went ahaed, even though it's clear thaty IT'S PHONEY

NY Slimes call home.......this article has been made irrelvant by THE TRUTH

120 posted on 09/10/2004 3:22:27 AM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: Buckhead

Great catch!

God Bless You!

Deacon Francis


121 posted on 09/10/2004 3:30:47 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Pikamax
He got such special treatment that his commander, who was not a typist, took a time machine thirty years into the future to buy a PC and MS Word and an ink jet printer, to record (for his own person records) his observations about Bush. Then he gave these records to a mysterious confidant who held on to them for another thirty-two years in case George Bush ever ran for president. But not in case he ran for Governor.
122 posted on 09/10/2004 3:32:50 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths")
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To: ThomasMore; TankerKC; Howlin

Ditto on Thomas's comment. And to all -- have a GOOD day!


123 posted on 09/10/2004 4:12:32 AM PDT by bvw
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To: dennisw
TEAR THE ROOF OFF THE SUCKER !!!!!!!!!!

And CBS should GIVE UP THE SKUNK who forged the documents!

124 posted on 09/10/2004 4:16:59 AM PDT by Physicist (Did somebody say 'Clinton'?)
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To: arbee4bush

Freepers make history PING


125 posted on 09/10/2004 4:23:51 AM PDT by arbee4bush ( I expressed myself forcefully and felt better after I did it-VP Cheney)
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To: arbee4bush

This is so COOL! (bump)


126 posted on 09/10/2004 4:30:54 AM PDT by Kennesaw
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To: Buckhead

Thank you is inadequate. Your post appears to be the shot heard round the media. They must realize now that we are watching and we know!


127 posted on 09/10/2004 4:31:54 AM PDT by OldFriend (GIVE EM ZELL)
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To: TLI
I think these docs were "created" by someone incredibly stupid, and also incredibly young. Someone who doesn't know that computers haven't ALWAYS been around and that some people might actually know something about typewriters.

I have to continually remind my kids, ages 16 thru 22, that when I was a kid we had about SEVEN TV channels, we had no cable or Nintendo or VCRs, etc. Of course, they are incredulous when I mention it -- just like we couldn't imagine what the world was like for our parents w/o TV, or refrigerators, or even indoor toilets!

The most interesting thing about all of this is that SeeBS SHOULD have caught these forgeries, but Dan Blather was blinded by his HATRED for Dubya, and conservatives in general, and hastily jumped on this story.

I think that ole Dan should now join his good "friend" Tom Brokaw in retirement.

128 posted on 09/10/2004 4:32:19 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: Buckhead; Howlin
GREAT WORK!!!
129 posted on 09/10/2004 4:32:33 AM PDT by True Capitalist
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To: Buckhead

Very good Freepin' there Buckhead! Congrats!


130 posted on 09/10/2004 4:34:44 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is a sKunk!!)
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To: Buckhead
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winnah!

The Post that silenced Rather's blather.

132 posted on 09/10/2004 5:28:49 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Buckhead
Buckhead,

Little Green Footballs has picked up on your theory and has taken it further. Take a look.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12524_Bush_Guard_Documents-_Forgeries

133 posted on 09/10/2004 5:51:03 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (http://purveyors-of-truth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Buckhead

You rock.


134 posted on 09/10/2004 5:55:33 AM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: Buckhead

Bravo! Congratulations!


135 posted on 09/10/2004 6:33:16 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Buckhead

Well done, Buckhead!


136 posted on 09/10/2004 6:37:29 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Buckhead

You got 'em.

I hope this thread is archived in it's complete form.

Wouldn't want to lose it.


137 posted on 09/10/2004 6:46:11 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Buckhead

Congratulations upon the import of your observations.


138 posted on 09/10/2004 6:52:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Buckhead

An honor to post in the same thread with you.


139 posted on 09/10/2004 7:00:32 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Buckhead

I originally posted this to myself (DUH!)...it was meant for you.

Well, the story seems to have legs, big time.
Your original post was cited at Powerlinblog.com, and it was there in the context of an early (if not the first) Internet discovery of the possible forgery of Rather's documents. I think I can renew my congratulations for your fast eye and keyboard...and my thanks as well.

It also seems that these documents may have originated with Kerry campaign staff, too (that's just developing, so we have to see if it is true).

Have a great day!


140 posted on 09/10/2004 7:01:21 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Buckhead
Congratulations.

Post #47 will go down in Internet history.

You'll be known as a FReeper Hero for life.

141 posted on 09/10/2004 7:08:40 AM PDT by MassExodus (Two words for phony anti-Bush, anti-War Libs ... Slobodan Milosevic )
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To: Buckhead
History making catch.

I noticed something related that may or may not have been brought up yet. Whenever the forger writes 1st Lt Bush or 147th or anything like that, it's always 1 st or 147 th.

It looks like the forger put the space in on purpose to get by the automatic superscripting, but missed a couple.

-Eric

142 posted on 09/10/2004 7:19:27 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Buckhead

Applause!


143 posted on 09/10/2004 7:52:36 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Where I come from, deeds mean more than words. - Zell Miller)
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To: Buckhead

Congrats on being part of the vast right wing conspiracy....

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html

We always favor looking at the content and substance over WHO is offering up the information, but in the war that will ensue about WHO gave CBS the potentially phony documents, it is interesting to Note that the right (Drudge, Fox, right-leaning blogs, others) led the way in pointing out the questions we have all been asking — and they were onto the questions, with remarkable detail, relatively soon after the documents were made public.

Here's part of how this story got here . . . from a little Marc Ambinder back-lurking on the blogs . . .

At 8:00 pm ET Wednesday night, CBS News does the story . . .

at 8:59 ET — before the broadcast is finished!!! — the documents come into question via a poster named Buckhead on the Free Republic Web site: LINK

Buckhead seems well-read on his forensic document examination skills.

"Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts. The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts. I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old."

Well, this is bandied about by dozens of Freepers, as they're called and is picked up at 8:30 am ET and added to by www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ — this little green football guy is a very popular conservative blogger . . .



144 posted on 09/10/2004 8:03:07 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: MassExodus
I'm happy for two reasons

I'm posting on a historical thread,

and I love it when the newsmedia has to mention the FReeper name "BUCKHEAD"! LOL!

145 posted on 09/10/2004 8:18:44 AM PDT by bigjoesaddle (Shrug)
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To: Buckhead

Bumping the 'Deep-Font' post


146 posted on 09/10/2004 8:37:25 AM PDT by rudypoot (Kerry sold out the US for political gain before now and he is doing it again.)
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To: Buckhead

Congrats Buckhead!!!


147 posted on 09/10/2004 8:43:03 AM PDT by presidio9 (Homophobic & Proud!!!)
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To: Buckhead

Great find Buckhead!!!!


148 posted on 09/10/2004 8:46:25 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: Pikamax

test


149 posted on 09/10/2004 9:26:59 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: Pikamax

Never mind!


150 posted on 09/10/2004 9:32:55 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths")
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