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Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard [post 47]
NYTIMES ^ | 09/09/04 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax

September 9, 2004 Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

ASHINGTON, Sept. 8 - President Bush's Vietnam-era service in the National Guard came under renewed scrutiny on Wednesday as newfound documents emerged from his squadron commander's file that suggested favorable treatment.

At the same time, a once powerful Texas Democrat came forward to say that he had "abused my position of power" by helping Mr. Bush and others join the Guard.

Democrats also worked to stoke the issue with a new advertisement by a Texas group that featured a former lieutenant colonel, Bob Mintz, who said he never saw Mr. Bush in the period he transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard.

The documents, obtained by the "60 Minutes" program at CBS News from the personal files of the late Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, Mr. Bush's squadron commander in Texas, suggest that Lieutenant Bush did not meet his performance standards and received favorable treatment.

One document, a "memo to file" dated May 1972 , refers to a conversation between Colonel Killian and Lieutenant Bush when they "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November," because the lieutenant "may not have time."

The memo said the commander had worked to come up with options, "but I think he's also talking to someone upstairs."

Colonel Killian wrote in another report, dated Aug. 1, 1972, that he ordered Lieutenant Bush "suspended from flight status" because he failed to perform to standards of the Air Force and Texas Air National Guard and "failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered."

Colonel Killian also wrote in a memo that his superiors were forcing him to give Lieutenant Bush a favorable review, but that he refused.

"I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," he wrote.

CBS, which reported on the memos on "The CBS Evening News" and "60 Minutes," declined to say how it obtained the documents.

Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director, said in an interview with CBS, the full transcript of which the White House released on Wednesday night, that Mr. Bush had fulfilled his service and received an honorable discharge. Mr. Bartlett did not dispute the authenticity of the memos but said, "When you are talking about a memo to somebody's self - this is a memo to his own file - people are trying to read the mind of somebody who is no longer with us."

He called the release of the files politically motivated.

"Every time President Bush gets near another election, all the innuendo and rumors about President Bush's service in the National Guard come to the forefront," he said.

Separately, former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes of Texas voiced regret for what he said was helping the privileged escape service in Vietnam.

"I'm not particularly proud of what I did," said Mr. Barnes, who in the 1960's was speaker of the Texas House at 26 and lieutenant governor at 30. "While I understand why parents wanted to shield their sons from danger, I abused my position of power by helping only those who knew me or had access to me."

Mr. Barnes, 66, an adviser to Senator John Kerry's campaign and an influential lobbyist with offices in Austin and Washington, said in a interview with The New York Times that he had intervened to get Mr. Bush, as well as other well-connected young men, into the Guard in 1968. He made similar comments on "60 Minutes" on Wednesday.

Mr. Barnes maintained, as he has since 1999, that he had contacted his friend who headed the Texas Air National Guard, Brig. Gen. James Rose, not at the behest of anyone in the Bush family, but rather a Houston businessman, Sidney A. Adger, a friend of the Bushes who has died.

"Yes, I called Rose to get George Bush into the Guard, I've said that," Mr. Barnes said in his office last week in Austin. "I called Rose for other sons of prominent families, and I'm not proud of it now."

Anticipating his remarks, Republicans worked to discredit Mr. Barnes as a partisan Democrat and large contributor to Mr. Kerry. The events created a new round of scrutiny for Mr. Bush, after a month in which Mr. Kerry's Vietnam service dominated the campaign because of veterans with longstanding anger at how Mr. Kerry, who was a decorated veteran, came home and turned against the war. With advertisements, through a book and on talk shows, the group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, leveled largely unsubstantiated accusations about Mr. Kerry's record and his antiwar statements.

Democrats were unabashed about turning the spotlight on Mr. Bush. Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic chairman, said in a conference call with reporters the party would keep Mr. Bush's Guard record before the public.

The events unfolded a day after the Pentagon, prompted by a lawsuit filed by The Associated Press, released a series of records on Mr. Bush's service, even though the White House had said this year that it had released all the records.

Mr. Bartlett said that the documents "demonstrate that he served his country, he logged hundreds and hundreds of hours as a fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard."

Mr. Bartlett rejected the suggestion based on Colonel Killian's files that Mr. Bush did not meet the performance standards. He said Mr. Bush did not have a physical examination because he was not going to be flying planes anymore, because his unit no longer flew the planes that Mr. Bush was trained on.

"Every step of the way, President Bush was meeting his requirements, granted permission to meet his requirements," Mr. Bartlett said.

A new commercial, produced by a group of Democrats, Texans for Truth, is to begin on Monday in five swing states that have lost high numbers of soldiers in Iraq. It features a former lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Guard, Bob Mintz, who lives in Tennessee. He told a columnist for The New York Times, Nicholas D. Kristof, for a column published on Wednesday, that he was actively looking for Lieutenant Bush at the Alabama base in the 1970's, because he had heard that Lieutenant Bush was a fellow bachelor who might like to party with him and other pilots. In the spot, Mr. Mintz said neither he nor his friends ever saw Mr. Bush.

"It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size," he says.

The unit had 20 to 30 pilots.

In a conference call with reporters on Wednesday, Mr. Mintz was pressed about his recollections and whether he might have missed seeing Mr. Bush, possibly because Mr. Bush was no longer flying at that point and was working in an office position. Mr. Mintz said repeatedly he never saw Lieutenant Bush.

Asked for friends' names who could vouch that they never saw Lieutenant Bush, Mr. Mintz declined, saying he did not have their permission to make their names public.

Glenn Smith, the main figure in Texans for Truth, said he wanted to make the spot because he was angry over the Swift Boat veterans.

Steve Schmidt of the Bush campaign said that Texans for Truth was linked to the Kerry campaign in potential violation of campaign finance laws, saying the group was "made possible by contributions" from Moveon.org, another advocacy group that opposes Mr. Bush.

Mr. Smith said that Moveon.org had financed another group that he had founded, Drivedemocracy.org, but that neither had given money to the Texans, though he said that Moveon.org had put a link on its Web site to the Texans and sent e-mail messages to its members in Texas urging them to donate to the Texans.

Mr. Smith said the Texans raised more than $300,000 in 24 hours, with one contribution for $100,000 and most of the rest in $25 donations.

Adding to the picture of Mr. Bush's service, The Boston Globe reported on Wednesday that he fell short of meeting his military requirements and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required drills.

The paper said Mr. Bush signed documents in July 1973, before he left Houston for the Harvard Business School, promising to meet his training commitments or be punished by being called up to active duty.

Mr. Bartlett said on Wednesday that Mr. Bush was given permission to attend Harvard. He said that if there were any requirements Mr. Bush was not meeting, "the National Guard at the federal level, the state level and the local level, they all knew where he was."

Katharine Q. Seelye reported from Washingtonfor this article, and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston. Raymond Bonner contributed reporting from Houston


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1 posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

More like "media suggests..."


2 posted on 09/08/2004 8:13:27 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Pikamax

The ability of so many losers to do nothing but dwell in the past simply amazes me.


3 posted on 09/08/2004 8:13:39 PM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: xrp
WHERE IS JOHN KERRY'S MILITARY RECOIRDS? WHY WONT KERRY RELEASE HIS MINITARY RECORDS, WHAT IS HE HIDING?
4 posted on 09/08/2004 8:15:13 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: Pikamax
If the New York Times would dig into terrorism as deeply as the president's service record, they'd have pinpointed Osama by now.

And if they found bin Laden, they ask him what he thinks about Bush's attendance at Guard drills!

5 posted on 09/08/2004 8:15:22 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Pikamax

Is this the best they got?


6 posted on 09/08/2004 8:15:43 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Pikamax

I'd like to suggest (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) there is an embedded reporter from Pravda working @ the NYTimes.


7 posted on 09/08/2004 8:16:03 PM PDT by Drango (Wow is wow spelt backwards.)
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To: Pikamax
Documents from a dead man.

How convenient.

8 posted on 09/08/2004 8:16:08 PM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if I can't wear the tiara?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Pikamax
renewed screwtiny

Amazing how the can so cavalierly spew, after the record has been examined and found OK. Scummy.

9 posted on 09/08/2004 8:16:16 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: Pikamax

President Bush is going to be so easily re-elected..if this is all they have..


10 posted on 09/08/2004 8:17:37 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: sinkspur; All

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

There are the documents; now you see if you think they say what the NYT says they say.


11 posted on 09/08/2004 8:17:50 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Howlin

Whoops......scroll down on the left!


12 posted on 09/08/2004 8:18:17 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Pikamax
I thought Bush was AWOL, now he failed to take a physical to certify him fit to fly, even though he was no longer going to fly.

OK, I guess this is relevant, to retarded types.

13 posted on 09/08/2004 8:18:48 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Pikamax; neverdem
And, isn't it "funny" that 25 "news" articles all coming trickling out at once ... All are treated with "serious: concern and "professional interest" and "warrant investigation" ...

But let ONE group try to get TWO ads run against John Kerry, in a group NOT backed by Bush, nor a group promoting Bush, and the media decided IMMEDIATELY that they are lying and must be shut up.

Yeah. Right. There's no media bias here.

Just moveon.org folks, just moveon.org.

Nothing to see here. There's no such thing as a dnc faux fax sheet that everybody receives each morning to write their headlines from, and set their front page by. Nah.

We're from the national press corpse and we're here to impartially and honestly inform you - because John McCain says we're the only ones who can legally discuss politics.
14 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:32 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Ben Chad
Is this the best they got?

So it would seem.

Given that the Lt Gov that claims to have been "coerced" into helping Bush into the Guard wasn't even in office when Bush entered the Guard... it would seem to deflate the story.

15 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:47 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: nutmeg

Read later bump (#11)


16 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:58 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Pikamax
So documents 'suggesting' Bush got special treatment are bad, but sealed swiftboat reports that would show Kerry gave special treatment to HIMSELF are off limits???

The hypocrisy is maddening!

17 posted on 09/08/2004 8:20:20 PM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: thoughtomator
Amazing - When the Swift Vets came out with their story - the MSM ignored it for two weeks. When the MSM finally had to cover it, they mounted a campaign to impugn the credibility of the accusers (The Swift Vets), and then went back to ignoring the story (with the excuse that the Vets story had been discredited.)

No this old story has been out of moth balls by the Dems and the MSM is wasting no time. All MSM outlets can't wait the give the Page 1 coverage above the fold. Impugning the credibility of the accusers (ie. Barnes) is also not existent.
18 posted on 09/08/2004 8:20:54 PM PDT by TBBT
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To: Pikamax
Wednesday, September 08, 2004
Who Is Ben Barnes?

WHO IS BEN BARNES?
A Deep-Pocketed Kerry Partisan Who Can't Keep His Stories Straight
______________________________________________

Barnes Under Oath

Under Oath, Barnes Testified He Had No Contact With Bush Family Concerning National Guard. "Ben Barnes, then the speaker of the Texas House, said in 1999 that Sidney Adger, a Houston businessman and longtime friend of the Bush family whose son also won a slot in the 147th, had asked him to help get Mr. Bush into the Guard. Mr. Barnes, who acknowledged a role only after he was questioned under oath, also said that he had spoken to the head of the Texas Air National Guard on Mr. Bush's behalf, but had no contact with anyone in the Bush family. And there is no direct evidence that Mr. Bush's family pulled strings to get him into the 147th. Mr. Bush is firmly on record denying it, as is the commander of the unit, and there is no paper trail showing any influence by the Bush family." (David Barstow, "In Haze Of Guard Records, A Bit Of Clarity," The New York Times, 2/15/04)

Barnes Said Reports He Helped Bush At His Father's Urging Were "False." "Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes denied a magazine report Thursday that he helped George W. Bush get a place in the Texas Air National Guard at the urging of Bush's father. Bush, the Republican presidential front-runner, has repeatedly denied that he received preferential treatment in being accepted into the Guard during the Vietnam War. … 'I never spoke to Congressman Bush about his son,' Barnes said Thursday. 'The story is false.'" (Renae Merle, "Barnes Denies Report That He Helped Bush Into The National Guard," The Associated Press, 7/15/99)

In Fall Of 1999, Barnes Said Bush Family Never Asked To Get President Bush Into National Guard. "Mr. Bush has consistently said he never requested special treatment, though Ben Barnes, who was speaker of the Texas House in 1968, said in 1999 that he had been asked by a Houston businessman -- not by the Bush family -- to recommend Mr. Bush for a pilot's slot, and that he had done so." (David M. Halbfinger, "Three Decades Later, Vietnam Remains A Hot Issue," The New York Times, 8/29/04)

But Now, Barnes' Story "Subject To Change"

Today, Barnes Claims He Is "Ashamed" He Got President Bush Into Texas Air National Guard. "Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes said he is 'more ashamed at myself than I've ever been' because he helped President Bush and the sons of other wealthy families get into the Texas National Guard so they could avoid serving in Vietnam. 'I got a young man named George W. Bush into the National Guard ... and I'm not necessarily proud of that, but I did it,' Barnes, a Democrat, said in a video clip recorded May 27 before a group of John Kerry supporters in Austin. Barnes, who was House speaker when Bush entered the Guard, later became lieutenant governor." (Bobby Ross Jr., "Former Lawmaker Says He Got Bush Into The Texas Guard," The Associated Press, 8/28/04)

Yet, According To February 2004 New York Times Article, Barnes' Story "Was Subject To Change And There Were No Documents To Support His Claims." "Local reporters could coax one former Democratic state official into admitting, off the record, that he had interceded on Mr. Bush's behalf at the request of either a prominent Dallas businessman or George H. W. Bush, who was then a member of Congress. But the official's story -- the source was later revealed to be former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes -- was subject to change and there were no documents to support his claims." (Mimi Swartz, "In Search Of The President's Missing Years," The New York Times, 2/27/04)

Barnes Is Kerry Fundraiser And Advisor

Ben Barnes Is Kerry Campaign Vice-Chair, Raising Over $100,000 For Campaign. (Kerry For President Website, www.johnkerry.com/fec/, Accessed 9/4/04)

Barnes Considers John Kerry Close Personal Friend. "Barnes, a government consultant with offices in Austin, Chicago and Washington, said: 'I'm just an enthusiastic participant' who considers as personal friends Corzine, Daschle and Kerry, whom he got to know during summer vacations in Nantucket." (W. Gardner Selby, "Texas' Last 'Old Lion' Still On Prowl For Funds," San Antonio Express-Texas, 7/30/04)

"Texans For Kerry" Website Links To Barnes Video. (Texans For Kerry Website, www.texansforkerry.com/texansforkerry/, Accessed 9/7/04)

Barnes Is Considered "A Definite In" In Kerry Administration. "[Barnes has] known Kerry since the 1980s. 'I don't know who's going to be in and who's going to be out' of a possible Kerry administration, Barnes said. 'But John Kerry has been sympathetic to Texas in the past. ... I would expect him to listen to our problems if he's in the White House.' Barnes is a definite in, though he says he'll keep working as a lobbyist based in Austin." (Jay Root, "Texas Democrats Are Waiting In The Wings," Fort Worth Star Telegram, 7/31/04)

Barnes Owns Home Near Kerry's In Nantucket. "Now a lobbyist and consultant, Barnes has a house near Kerry's in Nantucket, Mass., and committed to Kerry's White House bid nearly three years ago on the grounds of the Nantucket Golf Club." (Jay Root, "Texas Democrats Are Waiting In The Wings," Fort Worth Star Telegram, 7/31/04)

Barnes Is Kerry "Super-Bundler" Fundraiser. "Eleven [Kerry super-bundlers] are from Texas, including Dallas plaintiff's lawyer Fred Baron and lobbyist Ben Barnes, a Lyndon Johnson protégé who served as lieutenant governor and is one of the national Democrat Party's most prodigious fund-raisers. 'If someone had told me last quarter that John Kerry would have raised as much money as he's been able to, I'd have said it couldn't happen. But I'm seeing it happen,' said Mr. Barnes, whose lobby clients have included American Airlines and the chemical giant Huntsman Corp." (Wayne Slater, "Vested Interests In Kerry Lawyers, Lobbyists Top Donors List," Dallas Morning News, 7/26/04)

Opening Night Of Democratic Convention In Boston, "Kerry Adviser And Veteran Political Fund-Raiser"Barnes Hosted Party For Convention-Goers. "On the opening night of the Democratic National Convention, more than 250 well-dressed people strayed from the convention, enjoying bubbly drinks and appetizers such as tablespoon-sized shrimp salads at a party hosted by former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes. Barnes, a Kerry adviser and veteran political fund-raiser, said he scheduled his event to remind potential donors about the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, which seeks to help Democrats recapture a majority in the U.S. Senate, where the GOP has a two-vote majority." (W. Gardner Selby, "Texas' Last 'Old Lion' Still On Prowl For Funds," San Antonio Express-Texas, 7/30/04)

In October 2003, Barnes Hosted Fundraiser For John Kerry. "Democratic presidential contender John Kerry, counting on the Texas-Massachusetts connection that played better in the 1960s than it did in the 1980s, made three fund-raising stops in Texas on Wednesday as he campaigned toward primary season. Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, spoke to about 60 supporters at the Four Seasons Hotel here between stops in Dallas and Houston….In introducing Kerry here, former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes likened him to Kennedy. 'He possesses the talent, the courage, the experience and the depth that will make him, as Jack Kennedy was in 1961, a president that has the determination to lead this country,' Barnes said." (Ken Herman, "Kerry Plays Up Texas' Link To His Home State," Austin American-Statesman, 10/2/03)

Barnes Is A Partisan Democrat

Daschle Called Barnes "The Fifty-First Democratic Senator." "Yet here he is in the rarefied atmosphere of big power and big-time politics -- one of the chief financial and strategic architects of the Democratic resurgence to parity (and subsequently control) in the Senate. Majority leader Tom Daschle has called him 'the fifty-first Democratic senator.'" (Paul Burka, "So What If He Never Got To Be Governor Or President?" Texas Monthly, 9/01)

Barnes Attended Clinton Coffee Intended To Raise $500,000. "Newly released White House documents show that President Clinton's political operatives expected to raise $500,000 from a White House coffee for wealthy Texans in the summer, calling into question Clinton's assertion that 'no price tag was placed' on White House events. In a July 14 memo to White House officials, campaign Chairman Peter Knight suggested adding the Texas coffee klatch to Clinton's schedule as part of an effort to raise $7.8 million in the state. Knight predicted that the event would generate $500,000 in political contributions. About 20 Texans, including former Gov. Dolph Briscoe, Land Commissioner Garry Mauro and former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, attended the Aug. 23 get-together with the president." (Ron Hutcheson, "Clinton's Fund-Raising Assertion Questioned," Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 2/27/97)

In 1996, Barnes Endorsed Clinton/Gore '96. (Lisa R. Davis, "CEOs And Business Leaders Endorse President Clinton," Press Release, 10/8/96)

Ben Barnes Has Donated At Least $380,750 To Democratic Candidates And Campaign Bodies Including:

ü John Kerry For President Inc.

ü Kerry Committee

ü Kerry-Edwards 2004 Inc. General Election Legal And Accounting Compliance Fund

ü A Lot Of People Supporting Tom Daschle Inc.

ü Bob Graham For President Inc.

ü Cantwell 2006

ü Citizens For Biden

ü Citizens For Sarbanes

ü Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

ü Democratic National Committee

ü Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

ü Evan Bayh Committee

ü Friends Of Byron Dorgan

ü Friends Of Dick Durbin Committee

ü Friends Of Max Cleland For The US Senate Inc.

ü Friends Of Schumer

ü Friends Of Harry Reid

ü Friends Of Hillary

ü Friends Of Patrick J Kennedy Inc.

ü Friends Of Senator Carl Levin

ü Gephardt For President Inc.

ü Gore 2000 Inc.

ü Hillary Rodham Clinton For US Senate Committee Inc.

ü Joe Lieberman For President Inc.

ü Kennedy For Senate 2006

ü Leahy For U.S. Senator Committee

ü People For Patty Murray US Senate Campaign

ü Stabenow For US Senate

ü Tony Knowles For US Senate (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 9/8/04)

Barnes' Ethical Mishaps

Sharpstown Bank Scandal In 1971 Ended Barnes' Political Career. "The Sharpstown Scandal: This scandal involved quick-profit stock sales for lawmakers and state officials in 1971-72. Houston financier Frank Sharp arranged the stock loans from his Sharpstown State Bank, purportedly to grease the passage of two banking bills. Two dozen former and sitting officials were accused, and others suffered by association. House Speaker Gus Mutscher and another legislator were convicted of conspiring to accept a bribe. Gov. Preston Smith lost the governorship after his profit was disclosed. Half the Texas House was voted out of office or didn't seek re-election. And Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, a rising political star, was caught in the housecleaning when he tried to win the governor's seat. LBJ had even predicted that Barnes would make it to the White House." (Carolyn Barta, "Texas Has Left A Lasting Mark In The World Of Politics," The Dallas Morning News, 3/4/99)

In 1998, Barnes Was Accused Of Funneling $500,000 To Former Sales Manager Of Corporation Running Texas Lottery. "The former national sales manager for Gtech Holdings Corp., which operates the Texas lottery, was sentenced to 63 months in federal prison Thursday for stealing from the company. …His sentencing two years after his conviction was delayed by a controversy over information released by prosecutors linking him and former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes to a similar kickback scheme. In a sentencing memo in the Smith case, New Jersey prosecutors alleged that Mr. Barnes, then Gtech's chief Texas lobbyist, funneled $500,000 to Mr. Smith. The memo containing the allegations was posted on the Internet. Mr. Barnes denied that he had done anything wrong, and Judge Politan ordered prosecutors to apologize. In August, they acknowledged that they had disclosed secret information. Mr. Barnes said at the time that the money he gave Mr. Smith was for work not connected to the lottery. Mr. Barnes has never been charged with wrongdoing in connection with the allegation. Gtech bought out Mr. Barnes' contract for $23 million after Texas lottery commissioners questioned Gtech business practices." (George Kuempel, "Ex-Official For Gtech Sentenced," The Dallas Morning News, 10/9/98)Investment Partnership With John Connally Went Bust In 1988 After Connally And Barnes Racked Up $200 Million In Debt. "He joined with his protégé Ben Barnes, the former lieutenant governor of Texas, to embark on the business of building offices and condominiums and shopping malls, borrowing millions of dollars on the strength of his famous name, arguably the most famous in the state. At the time, Connally's real estate and energy investments appeared to be solid. Oil was selling for $33 a barrel and seemed destined to go higher. Texas was on a roll and John Connally was riding the crest of an economic surge that was making millionaires overnight. But Connally's timing was off. The decline of Texas and the rest of the energy belt began in 1982, just about the time he and Barnes began their spending and borrowing spree in earnest, taking the big chances. Files for Bankruptcy. Five years later, after a fruitless struggle for economic survival, Connally admitted that betting big had been a mistake. On July 31 of last year, he filed for bankruptcy. At the time, he and Barnes owed creditors more than $200 million." (J. Michael Kennedy, "Symbol Of Troubled Texas," Los Angeles Times, 1/22/88)

 
 
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19 posted on 09/08/2004 8:21:29 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Ramius

Exactly.


20 posted on 09/08/2004 8:21:51 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Rome2000

The problem is the reporters have not been associated with the military and have no idea how it works. This is ludicrous at best. Not going to fly, you don't take a flight physical. In those days, flight surgeons were in short supply to do these physicals. Not just any doctor could give a flight physical -- it had to be a flight surgeon.


21 posted on 09/08/2004 8:21:51 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: thoughtomator

yawn... I'm falling asleep waiting for Kerry to release his military medical records so he can put to rest once and for all the questions regarding the validity of his three Purple Hearts. If these records back him up he would release them. If they would condemn him as a fraud he'd keep them a secret. Kerry, through his fear of releasing these records, admits he's a total fraud.


22 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:10 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Ben Chad

Yes it is the best they got - well, until the old hag gossipmonger lying beyatch Kitty takes her turn calling W a druggie, adulterer, homo, pedophile. I wouldn't sweat it too bad, the MSM has been pulling this turdpile all year and they still are set to lose the election. Their candidate is a cadaver. 60 minutes has little influence, they've been running hit pieces all year with no effect.


23 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:13 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Pikamax
"I'm not particularly proud of what I did," said Mr. Barnes,

A liberal with a conscience??? PLEASE!!

24 posted on 09/08/2004 8:25:05 PM PDT by Heff ("Liberty is not America's gift to the world, it's the Almighty's gift to humanity" GW Bush 4/12/04)
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To: Pikamax
What amazes me is that over at DU, these smears are met with rather blase appraisal. In fact, one post described the mood at DU as lacking fighting spirit. I can understand why: the average post at Du is frothily ignorant, lacking substance, and a little bad news (Ohio and Arizona likely voter poll, for example) really can crush the mood.

What partisan CBS discovered is already tainted information, was my take, and the DU reaction validates that estimation.

25 posted on 09/08/2004 8:25:44 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: PhiKapMom
"The problem is the reporters have not been associated with the military and have no idea how it works."

Don't be so naive. These "reporters" could care less how the military works. All they're interested in is misleading the public into thinking that Bush shirked his military duty.

26 posted on 09/08/2004 8:25:57 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Howlin
Did you notice that NO ONE was CC'd on those memos?
27 posted on 09/08/2004 8:29:02 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: TheCrusader

If tactics like this don't energize and piss off the Republican base to get out and vote then we deserve a President Kerry. I'm so damn mad I might vote a couple times!!


28 posted on 09/08/2004 8:30:09 PM PDT by Russ
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To: Pikamax

They report this as if receiving three PH's for what amounted to bandaid wounds and getting out of Vietnam after only FOUR MONTHS, going to work for an admiral near his home town and then getting dismissed from about TWO YEARS worth of reserve training WASN'T special treatment!


29 posted on 09/08/2004 8:31:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: TheCrusader
This is the impact of Carville and Sasso who are now on the Kerry team. Seems too well orchestrated to me. Doubt it will have much long term impact since it has been trashed around so many times.

Bush just needs to keep talking about what he is going to do to protect America and rebuild our economy. Thats what people are looking for. Kerry and company are so stupid to keep dwelling on this. I think Bush sealed it last week at the convention. He gave many more americans a good reason to vote for him. So far, Kerry is not giving any reason why he should be CIC. THe polls will ebb and flow. They will tighten. But in reality, Kerry will never get the lead back. Post 9-11 turnout is an unknown to pollsters and politicians. I expect the Bush voters will turn out in record numbers. Bush wins big. Keep the faith, and let the MSM and Kerry keep fighting yesterdays wars.

30 posted on 09/08/2004 8:34:55 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: TheCrusader
This is the impact of Carville and Sasso who are now on the Kerry team. Seems too well orchestrated to me. Doubt it will have much long term impact since it has been trashed around so many times.

Bush just needs to keep talking about what he is going to do to protect America and rebuild our economy. Thats what people are looking for. Kerry and company are so stupid to keep dwelling on this. I think Bush sealed it last week at the convention. He gave many more americans a good reason to vote for him. So far, Kerry is not giving any reason why he should be CIC. THe polls will ebb and flow. They will tighten. But in reality, Kerry will never get the lead back. Post 9-11 turnout is an unknown to pollsters and politicians. I expect the Bush voters will turn out in record numbers. Bush wins big. Keep the faith, and let the MSM and Kerry keep fighting yesterdays wars.

31 posted on 09/08/2004 8:35:06 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: Texasforever

And what does that mean?


32 posted on 09/08/2004 8:37:12 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Pikamax

Geeeeesh. Here we go again. Why even post this crap? Mara Liasson (no conservative, she) said today on "Special Report" with Brit Hume on Fox that this is a dead issue. It's 5 years too late. They didn't make it stick in 2000 and it is non-issue this year. People have seen this man in action for almost four years now. Who cares whether or not he missed a National Guard meeting?

Give it a rest!!!


33 posted on 09/08/2004 8:37:15 PM PDT by no dems (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.... (Psalm 122:6))
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To: Drango
I'd like to suggest (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) there is an embedded reporter from Pravda working @ the NYTimes.

There's no been no need to embed foreign anti-American propagandists at the NY Times. There has been a long history of willing domestic sychophants.
34 posted on 09/08/2004 8:38:38 PM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: Pikamax

YAWN!


35 posted on 09/08/2004 8:38:53 PM PDT by Knute
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To: Pikamax

Kerry/Nixon/Cambodia - Bush/ Barnes - HA!

Trouble is, George W. Bush began the first of six years’ service in the National Guard in 1968, but Barnes did not become Lt. Governor of Texas until 1969. Barnes has acknowledged that no member of the Bush family sought his help, but claims he was approached by a Bush family friend (who died three years before Barnes began telling his self-serving story).

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14993


36 posted on 09/08/2004 8:40:39 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Pikamax
Bush's NG record is dragged out during every Bush campaign. And he always wins the elections.

When are these nit-pickers going to realize NOBODY CARES?

37 posted on 09/08/2004 8:41:10 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Howlin

It means he , if he actually wrote them, didn't see fit to send the memos to anyone else. So why write them in the first place?


38 posted on 09/08/2004 8:41:36 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: Rome2000

Only a Democrat would so lack a sense of honor or integrity to try to sell a story to say that his under oath testimony was a lie, and his current, unsworn testimony is now true!

These people are without a conscience, without scruples, without a vestige of honesty.


39 posted on 09/08/2004 8:42:50 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Ambien and Sominex not available? Listen to the pedantic, pompous sKerry awhile.)
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To: Pikamax

The Old Media is trying to suggest Bush used his connections like Kerry did. Let's assume for the sake of argument its true. What's the difference in the aftermath? Bush didn't libel and slander an entire generation of Vets for his personal political gain. But don't count on the media pointing it out.


40 posted on 09/08/2004 8:44:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax
With President Bush's connections....he could have gotten any assignment in any branch of service he wanted...

So if he were trying to 'avoid' going to war

Why the heck would he want to fly fighter aircraft

He could have gotten a job in 'Special Services' in Greece had he wanted to use his connections.....

One of my neighbors used her special connection to a ranking family to get her new hubby
who joined the Air force rather than risk getting drafted into the Army Infantry...a nice cushy stateside job for his entire hitch...

GW Bush had almost as much pull as my neighbors friends....almost...but the Republicans were in power and he could have gotten out of his service obligations very easily had he wanted to..

Instead he opted to fly jets....

credit is due ...where credit is due...
41 posted on 09/08/2004 8:46:01 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Two Heads Are Better Than One...Unless They're On The Same Person -Andy Sipowicz)
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To: Pikamax
It is almost so common as to be a waste of time to criticize the New York Times for bigoted and dishonest reporting. Other media outlets make it clear that the sources used by the Times are dishonest.

Won't do any good, however, to point out to Mr. Okrent that the newspaper he works for is dishonest.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore."

If you haven't already joined the anti-CFR effort, please click here.

42 posted on 09/08/2004 8:46:57 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Pikamax
paging karl rove. paging karl rove.

we tried to warn them. time to active project "there-ain't-enough-botox-in-the-world-to-keep-us- from-flattening-your-sorry-a$$".

that is all.

43 posted on 09/08/2004 8:48:59 PM PDT by smonk
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To: Texasforever

I think they were his private papers?


44 posted on 09/08/2004 8:53:07 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: TBBT

The MSM are whores for Kerry, whores for the Democrats, and whores for the Jihadists.

Through their lies and distortions, our country's continued existence is now in doubt.


45 posted on 09/08/2004 8:55:32 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Howlin
I think they were his private papers?

So why write them? If he was REALLY trying to CYA then he would have sent his concerns up the chain otherwise he would be in deep Sh%T if he had to explain later why he didn't let someone else know about a supposed violation of a direct order. Nope I don't believe these are legit documents since CBS will not say who they got them from so the originals can be examined.

46 posted on 09/08/2004 8:58:44 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: Howlin

Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.


47 posted on 09/08/2004 8:59:43 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: gswilder

Seems to well orchestrated. Of course it was orchestrated. The same night that 60 Minutes runs a hit piece of lies and the same day lies are printed in the Boston Globe and NY Slimes. Hmmmm. It does not take Sherlock to figure out that Carville, the same guy who holds his post at CNN, is behind all this with the Kerry campaign. Its only going to get worse.


48 posted on 09/08/2004 9:01:24 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Buckhead
Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts....I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old. This should be pursued aggressively.

You're absolutely correct. I just looked at the files, and they don't pass the smell test. Most typewritten items from that era would have been in Courier font. And why would these items be copies, anyway, if these memos were for the guy's own personal file? They wouldn't have that run through the copy machine a zillion times aura to them in that case.

49 posted on 09/08/2004 9:06:44 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Pikamax

Notice that "180" re Bush means his Form 180. And "180" re kerry means FLIP FLOP!!


50 posted on 09/08/2004 9:08:06 PM PDT by Waco
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