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60 Minutes Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
CNS News ^ | September 9, 2004 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by Peach

Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:41 PM EST

By Melanie Hunter CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor September 09, 2004 02:34 pm

'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts. Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program. More to Come


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; allyourfakes; arebelongtous; bush; camejo; caught; cbs; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; fake; gwb; kerry; lies; malignantleftists; mediabias; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; ratherbiased; seebsnews; wrongfontwrongtime
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To: Howlin

I want to see Dan Rather eat some crow!


51 posted on 09/09/2004 11:54:16 AM PDT by demlosers (54 days left until the Kerry campaign is put out of its misery.)
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To: MamaLucci
To: Howlin
WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MEMOS AGAIN!

They are not in the style that we used when I came in to the USAF. They looked like the style and format we started using about 12 years ago (1992). Our signature blocks were left justified, now they are rigth of center...like the ones they just showed.

Can we get a copy of those memos?

107 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:00 PM EDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)

From the live thread last night!

52 posted on 09/09/2004 11:54:21 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: MamaLucci
Good, if Rush talks about it in his third hour, then it really will be getting out there.

I still have to thank the people on this board for their hard work on this issue. Very interesting techniques and very informative.

53 posted on 09/09/2004 11:54:51 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Peach

I was suspicious of the forgery claims, but I've read just about everything there is to read about it and from what I've seen it's starting to look like this may be a Watergate moment for CBS. It's already breaking on semi-mainstream news sites. If independent experts can confirm these documents were fake, Dan Rather is going to be toast.


54 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:02 AM PDT by Trippin
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To: Old Sarge

Yea, except he seems to have pegged powerline's server


55 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:03 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: OXENinFLA

Damn. This story has legs!


56 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:06 AM PDT by IGOTMINE ("By God, I pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By God I do.")
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To: Peach
I'll put freeper research up against Old Media any day.

If you can't run with the big dogs, work for CBS!

57 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:06 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Patiently waiting for my official curmudgeon T-shirt.)
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To: BonnieJ

Re your question, this is what I do:

1. Write letters to the editors.

2. E-Mail articles from Free Republic around to friends in my e-mail address book. A lot of people only get or see the Old Media stuff and they LOVE the new media. (When I e-mail I copy and paste the article itself, not all the comments because people like to print the articles out to share with their friends).

Think about it. We e-mail an article out to 20 people in our address book. They e-mail it out to their friends. And so on.

Rush is reporting on the possibility of fake documents now.


58 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:19 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: OXENinFLA

Bump for legs - on the story of course.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:43 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: demlosers
I want to see Dan Rather eat some crow!

Blumenthal too!
60 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:48 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: demlosers

Dan Rather was humiliated by Dubya's Dad and he's going to be humiliated now.

My advice to Dan Rather is to STAY OUTTA DA BUSHES!!


61 posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:58 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: woodb01

60 Minutes Spokesperson: Kelli Edwards 212-975-6795


62 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:02 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: mnehrling
Hell of a month!

And it's not even a third over with yet! ;-)

63 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:21 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Howlin

Memos are here:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004658.php


64 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:25 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: NRA1995
you don't mean the " FAT LADY " do you :-)
65 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:26 AM PDT by force recon
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To: Peach; All

Folks it appears that this story is getting some big legs and my be ready to run... Drudge is now running it out on his site.... using documentation from power line with people who have done a simmalar disection of the font.... Me thinks that dan ratherbiased and his crew of 60 mins have been exposed. This is another fine example of yellow journalism at its best from 60 mins. But if those of us that the MSM think don't know any better can keep proving them wrong maybe things will change. (I can hope.)


66 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:40 AM PDT by Americanwolf (Zell Miller for Secretary of Defense against liberals! (jeez spitballs.. now thats funny!))
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To: gilliam

Rush just mentioned it on his show about three minutes ago.


67 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:44 AM PDT by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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To: force recon; areafiftyone
the same guy who did it killed Kennedy and lives in area 51

*PING* to FReeper "areafiftyone"

What did you know and when did you know it?

68 posted on 09/09/2004 11:56:57 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: woodb01

Excellent post. Companies are not in the business of funding political lies and propaganda smears and thereby alienating their customer base.


69 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:00 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Peach

If this is true it's all over for the Dems on 11/3---yes democrats can vote on nov 3rd only


70 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:06 AM PDT by rang1995
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To: Peach
This is the smoking gun


71 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:07 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Old Sarge

Freerepublic.com

The citizen's media watchdog!

72 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:13 AM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: Peach

A suitable typewriter did exist at the time, but that will not be the end of the questions. We need to see the original documents, and others from the same office.


73 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:33 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Peach

Great job to all the Freepers who put in the work to uncover this!


74 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:36 AM PDT by tapatio (Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.)
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To: IGOTMINE

AND NOW IT'S TIME TO KEEP ON PUSHING AND GIVE LEGS TO THE FALSE "BOO'S" STORY BY THE AP!!

It's time to do everything humanly possible to be sure that the old timey, Media Wing of the DemonRat Party is thoroughly discredited. And that it is so damaged by this election that it can NEVER recover again!


75 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:42 AM PDT by woodb01 (Start a call, writing, fax, and e-mail campaign to discourage CBS advertisers~)
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To: BonnieJ

"But HOW do we get the word out about the fraud beyond the world of the Internet?"


Just look how many hits Drudge has had in the last 24 hours alone! As far as we are concerned, we can write our local papers, tell our friends and neighbors, print off copies of these stories and show others....etc.

VISITS TO DRUDGE 9/09/04
010,950,881 IN PAST 24 HOURS
255,225,309 IN PAST 31 DAYS


76 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:09 AM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: Old Sarge
I have seen FReep History unfolding before my eyes, showing the power and reach of Free Republic, and I'm proud of you.

It's been an amazing morning. It's an amazing time to live.

77 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:09 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com: where the truth lives on, after 35 years of Kerry lies.)
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To: jimbo123
Obvious Forgery!


78 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:09 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: N. Theknow

" I am greatly saddened " tom daschle


79 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:27 AM PDT by force recon
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To: tapatio; Howlin; cyncooper

It wasn't me who put ANY work into this matter, but a lot of freepers did and Kudos to them!


80 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:37 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: rocklobster11

LOL!!


81 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:39 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: Howlin

Way to keep it bumped, Howlin!!!


82 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:51 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana ("Kerry-Edwards" or "Bury Vets' Words"? or "Verry Leftwards"?)
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To: Peach

See BS ain't See BS for nothing.......


83 posted on 09/09/2004 11:59:38 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: Trippin

Rather will claim it was a double-Watergate and a secret Bush agent switched the files.


84 posted on 09/09/2004 12:00:00 PM PDT by tractorman (A mosque is a mask.)
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To: rocklobster11

Great job on that memo!


85 posted on 09/09/2004 12:00:22 PM PDT by RobFromGa (A desperate man is a dangerous man, and Kerry is getting desperate.)
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To: Trippin
If independent experts can confirm these documents were fake, Dan Rather is going to be toast.

In a sane world, THIS would have been the end of him.

86 posted on 09/09/2004 12:00:36 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: Peach

Ditto!

Those that did the legwork on this and the AP story deserve high praise! Dan Rather ought to turn over his check to you.


87 posted on 09/09/2004 12:00:44 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: NewMediaFan
My quick email to Dan Rather

Connie Chung would never have let this happen.

88 posted on 09/09/2004 12:00:56 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: Centurion2000

This would be both slander and libel - the interview on television is slander, and forged military lies are libel.

However, forging military documents that "supposedly" came from the Pentagon is going to get someone decades in the brig.

It makes me wonder.....is Sandy Berger singing to save his a$$?


89 posted on 09/09/2004 12:01:02 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: tractorman

**Rather will claim it was a double-Watergate and a secret Bush agent switched the files.**


Yes, and Danny boy will get all of that from his secret DNC decoder ring!!


90 posted on 09/09/2004 12:01:06 PM PDT by woodb01 (Start a call, writing, fax, and e-mail campaign to discourage CBS advertisers~)
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To: mnehrling
Also, certain pages of the 32-year-old documents contained PowerPoint clip art, which some call suspicious.

From Drudge...



'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake /// 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's guard service may have been forged using a current word processing program // typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program, Internet reports claim... Developing...

91 posted on 09/09/2004 12:01:12 PM PDT by ohioconservative
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To: IGOTMINE; Jack of all Trades; Mo1; Howlin
LOL!

Check out DRUDGE, he's got the 60 minutes stop watch upside down...
92 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:16 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Peach

I don't think CBS would deliberately perpetrate such a hoax-at least one that could be so easily exposed. The real tantalizing question is what will they do next? Admit it and apologize? Blame the Bush campaign for planting it? My guess is they bury both stories and pretend it never happened.


93 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:24 PM PDT by Spok
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To: force recon

Sure do!


94 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:37 PM PDT by NRA1995 (I'm a happy Republican goon)
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To: All

There's disputing accounts of whether IBM (or other) typewriters at the time could make the fonts and typefaces (if there's a difference between the two) at that time.

What I want to know from those that allege any typewriter could not make such typefaces, or that the post Bush was at wouldn't have the machines that could, can you say that to an absolute degree of certainty, and how exactly do you base your personal knowledge of this?

Not meaning to make this into a question of credibility, but I would like to, on this thread, separate speculation from fact as much as possible.


95 posted on 09/09/2004 12:03:24 PM PDT by 1L
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To: OXENinFLA

FOFL!!!!

Dan RatherNot is sooooooooooooooo Busted!


96 posted on 09/09/2004 12:03:55 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: rocklobster11

Ooooooooooo You're bad......


97 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:06 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Peach

The mainstream media would spend all kinds of efforts to analyze and discredit the swiftboat veteran's credible and documented multiple eyewitness accounts and yet would run with an obvious forgery if it dicredited Bush in some way. I hope this hoax is exposed and CBS and the other media hypocrits are made to look like idiots.


98 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:16 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Peach

Word processors did not exist at that time, all there was were typewriters, the IBM selectric with the type ball was state of the art. Each character has the same ammount of width on the page with a typewriter, proportional space and superscript (with smaller characters) proves its a forgery...


99 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:27 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (AND)
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To: Howlin

Like a said last night, Howlin, your enthusiasm, commitment and energy are admirable...even though you won't get the recognition you deserve, I'd like to say THANK YOU!!!


100 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:50 PM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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