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BushGuardaugust1 memo - a FAKE
CBS, self | 9/9/04 | Carl Donath

Posted on 09/09/2004 2:09:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2

Proof the CBS document BushGuardaugust1.pdf is a FAKE:

Original text, slightly adjusted for rectangular fit:

Same text, screen capture of document written in MS Word 2002 with no effort to match original aside from document width:

Overlapping images, with original as B/W negative:

Aside from slight warping presumably due to distortion introduced by a low-quality photocopier, the two texts line up exactly. The "30+ year old proof" against Bush is a fraud.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; 60minutes; 60minuts; barnes; benbarnes; brownshirtsforkerry; bush; bushmemos; cbsmemos; ccrm; danrather; democratslie; dirtytricks; dncliars; forged; forgeries; forgery; fraud; goebbelswouldbeproud; hoax; hoaxmemos; kerrycampaign; killian; libel; lyingliars; mediabias; nationalguard; ratherbiased; rattricks; slander; smearcampaign; snopes; snopesmia; stephenfhayes; texasnationalguard; thebiglie
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This was done with minimal effort. The "fake" I wrote up took practically no effort: start MS Word 2002, enter text, set document width. Correcting for distortions in the CBS-provided "proof" took a few minutes more.
1 posted on 09/09/2004 2:09:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

Groovy,
I would never have thought of overlapping the two.


2 posted on 09/09/2004 2:11:30 PM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: ctdonath2

These turkeys up against Freepers? No contest. LoL.


3 posted on 09/09/2004 2:11:43 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: ctdonath2
You are AWESOME. Game, Set & Match.

Mr. Rather, you are finally right about unemployment: YOU ARE FIRED!

4 posted on 09/09/2004 2:12:29 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: ctdonath2

Yep, there is no way a typewriter spacing would match the complex spacing utilized by today's wordprocessor. This has to be a fake.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 2:13:24 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: ctdonath2
Could just be a coincidence, you know!

</Holy_Warrior_Idiot_mode>

6 posted on 09/09/2004 2:14:02 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: ctdonath2

bump


7 posted on 09/09/2004 2:14:22 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: ctdonath2

You beat me to it. I was going to do that later this evening.


8 posted on 09/09/2004 2:15:32 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http:\\www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: ctdonath2

Ingenious!


9 posted on 09/09/2004 2:16:20 PM PDT by Imperialist
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To: ctdonath2

You are a genius, my friend!!!


10 posted on 09/09/2004 2:16:36 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: ctdonath2

Got 'em!


11 posted on 09/09/2004 2:17:35 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Be afraid, Hillary. Be very afraid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: ctdonath2

Now's the time to put a copyright at the bottom of that last image. It's gonna be sent around by a lot of people.


12 posted on 09/09/2004 2:18:14 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: ctdonath2
I animated the docs:

Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

13 posted on 09/09/2004 2:19:40 PM PDT by IncPen (Every Word From Kerry's Mouth is a Dishonorable Discharge)
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To: ctdonath2
Once again I am awed by the vast pool of knowledge that is Free Republic.

Kudos to you.

14 posted on 09/09/2004 2:20:19 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free.)
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To: ctdonath2

Applause and thanks! Good stuff.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 2:21:15 PM PDT by AHerald
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To: ctdonath2

You should send this to drudge. He might put it up on his site. You are quite clever.


16 posted on 09/09/2004 2:21:19 PM PDT by sweetstuff
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To: ctdonath2
I think you proved it. It's a fake.

Good job!

17 posted on 09/09/2004 2:22:10 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: vrwcagent0498

BTTT


18 posted on 09/09/2004 2:22:19 PM PDT by Camachee (`)
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To: ctdonath2

Thank you kind Sir for your efforts...Now all of us need to Thank Al Gore for inventing the Internet...because had not ole Al done that this lie would have never been exposed!


19 posted on 09/09/2004 2:22:24 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (www.RealHeroesVoices.com....see the real John Kerry)
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To: IncPen

You guys are AMAZING!! Love the animation. Plus, your tagline is an absolute HOOT!!!
FR ROCKS! I really think the smartest people on the planet are all FREEPERS!


20 posted on 09/09/2004 2:22:29 PM PDT by kimchi lover (When will the left learn that Bush is NOT the enemy?)
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To: mdittmar

One of the other total dead giveaways is that in some cases the "th" is not superscripted but has an extra space between it and the number. If it is next to it it jumps to superscript.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 2:23:32 PM PDT by xcullen (DC Conservative)
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To: ctdonath2

I can almost hear Dan Rather's colon puckering.


22 posted on 09/09/2004 2:24:11 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: ctdonath2

Excellent work! I suspect the MSM knows or suspects by now it's a fake, but they are hoping to throw it against the wall and see if it sticks on some undecided voter anyway. Facts don't matter, laws don't matter, leaving voters with uncertainty matters.


23 posted on 09/09/2004 2:24:29 PM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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To: IncPen
Re: Animation.

You are the champ. I did an overlay myself in Photoshop but the animation is the ticket.

24 posted on 09/09/2004 2:25:30 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: ctdonath2

Great work! I am concerned though that this story is getting repeated over and over on the news and as of yet I am not hearing any mention of the fact the documents authenticity is being questioned. If anyone sees a news station mention the articles we have seen by document experts questioning the validity of the 'newly found' guard documents please let me know. You should send your proof overwriting the typing to some news organizations because it gives a great visual to what experts are questioning. Really good job!!!!


25 posted on 09/09/2004 2:25:40 PM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: ctdonath2
Howard Hughes will bump to you.

Good work. This alone will put prove the SeeBS documents to be sloppy forgeries. I wonder if Gunga Dan will be curious as to who set him up to look like the partisan idiot he is.

26 posted on 09/09/2004 2:26:09 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: skeeter

"I can almost hear Dan Rather's colon puckering."

LOL


27 posted on 09/09/2004 2:26:14 PM PDT by Arpege92 (We're here! We're Conservative! And we're in your face! - theDentist)
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To: ctdonath2

Excellent work!.....
The dems must think we are as stupid as they are.
God, I love this! Note to Kerry's handlers:
Keep up the good work,you idiots!
Bush wins handily in Nov!


28 posted on 09/09/2004 2:27:08 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Kerry-About that career-dissipation light-it just kicked into overdrive!!)
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To: ctdonath2

Did anyone notice that the "i" in "received" (last sentence of memo) is lower than the other letters? Why? To make it look more like a typewriter had been used? If so, then look at every other "i" in the memo. None of them, not a single other one, is lower than the others.


29 posted on 09/09/2004 2:28:18 PM PDT by jim35 (Will the press still be anti-war when a democRAT is in office?)
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To: ctdonath2

The subtle but real differences in spacing between the period following each number and the first letter of the first word in the opening sentence of each paragraph are damning, particularly if--as I suspect--the guard unit was using IBM Selectrics in 1971-1973. If the letters had been prepared on Selectrics, the double-space would be precisely the same in each paragraph. The spaces in this document are proportional,


30 posted on 09/09/2004 2:28:21 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: ctdonath2
Here's another memo from a "source" I can't reveal:


31 posted on 09/09/2004 2:28:29 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: ctdonath2
Some additional questions.

1. How does a typewriter merge the "f" and "l" characters as observed in "flight"?

2. How can a typewriter cause the "i" character to tuck itself under the "f" character in "fill" and "Officer"?

32 posted on 09/09/2004 2:28:33 PM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: ctdonath2

great work


33 posted on 09/09/2004 2:30:11 PM PDT by knak
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Meanwhile the DUmmies are going into a PANIC MODE over these forged documents. Here are a few DUmmie comments:

Well, all of freeper repeaterville has it now Though I saw it first on powerlineblog.com Yes, there were other fonts available for insert into the ball-type typewriters. The issue here (as I understand it) is that the documents are not produced in a unispace font (like courier), but a font with different spacing for different letters (the little "i" is narrower than the capital "O", etc) like the popular Times Roman fonts. It was theoretically possible (something called a varitype machine), but highly difficult to produce something like this document - and would never be done on a personal memo. The memos are also on 8.5x11" stock when the military standard was 8x10.5 And the memo actually has the smaller font-size "th" in a couple places ("187th") - which was not possible on ANY typewriter in 1973. In short, they conclude it was produced on a modern word processor, not a 1970's typewriter. And the author is not around to verify them (dead). Now, I have NOT seen the documents yet and don't know how much (or any) of this is true. Merely the accusation.... But it does concern me. If they are forgeries - the election is likely over.

Col. Killian died a long time ago. There is no conceivable reason he would have been keeping a unique file on fairly trivial personnel issues concerning a junior officer about to leave the service. If there are NOT hundreds of comparable Killian memos on assorted routine business matters, something is wrong.

FWIW, I don't believe these documents are forged, mainly because it would be incredibly reckless to pull a stunt like that on what is, at bottom, still a triviality.

The blog says it is smaller. So to accomplish it you would have to roll the platten up and replace the ball - then type two letters and replace the ball again and roll it back down. I've found a source that says proportional fonts were possible, but hasn't found THE font involved yet (I've seen it now, it sure looks like a member of the Times Roman family) as being available for the Selectric. None of the other documents from that command (of those that were released) indicate anything like this was in use though. I now begin to worry a tad.

34 posted on 09/09/2004 2:30:40 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Sender

This just shows me how stupid democrats are. They used a computer to compose a fake 1973 memo? How dumb can you get? They could have at least bought an old typewriter at a flea market to make it look authentic.


35 posted on 09/09/2004 2:30:44 PM PDT by BloomNTn (Democrats are EVIL)
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To: IncPen; martin_fierro; dighton; cyborg

Dude, your memo is, uh, throbbing. I'm stuned.


36 posted on 09/09/2004 2:30:46 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: ctdonath2

incredible!


37 posted on 09/09/2004 2:30:54 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: sweetstuff


'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake /// 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's guard service may have been forged using a current word processing program // typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program, Internet reports claim... Developing...


38 posted on 09/09/2004 2:31:02 PM PDT by BushCountry
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To: ctdonath2

Wow. Outstanding work. What's really difficult to believe is that anyone would try to pass this off without even a half-assed attempt at making it look authentic. If you're going to try a forgery, at least don't insult our intelligence. At a minimum, go on eBay and buy a vintage IBM Selectric, for God's sake.

One thing is clear, 60 Minutes didn't have even a minimally-competent document examiner look at this thing.


39 posted on 09/09/2004 2:32:15 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: ctdonath2

Slam dunk! I never cease to be amazed out how brillant many of the posters are on Free Republic. Absolutely brillant. If the MSM doesn't recant....it's clobbering time!


40 posted on 09/09/2004 2:32:22 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: gimme1ibertee

I wasn't going to get my hopes up about this, but the evidence I have seen on this and other threads makes it damn clear that the documents are fake.

I was puzzled from the beginning because I pushed a lot of military typewriters during my time in the service. I came in in 1976 and the most common machine was the IBM Selectric. The most common font used for military work was either Courier (not sure of that spelling, it's early here) or OCR for messages. Courier, once you get used to it, is impossible to mistake for anything else. And the docs are definitely not Courier.


41 posted on 09/09/2004 2:33:05 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: PJ-Comix

I was wondering what they were saying over there. I refuse to even look as it would affect my blood pressure.


42 posted on 09/09/2004 2:33:35 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http:\\www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: IncPen

wow...tat animation is devastating...We need to get it to the media.


43 posted on 09/09/2004 2:34:18 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: ctdonath2

Freepers rule!!
Don't mess with us......


44 posted on 09/09/2004 2:34:32 PM PDT by LilRhody
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To: Steven W.

OMG......OMG.......it's true.........LOL.


45 posted on 09/09/2004 2:34:39 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: William Wallace

ping


46 posted on 09/09/2004 2:36:45 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Vor~; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; Aeronaut; AFPhys; ...

ROFLMAO.......take a look at this!


47 posted on 09/09/2004 2:36:56 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: ctdonath2; IncPen
You two are awesome!

I think some e's and faxes are in order here...

Medved, Savage, Rush, Hannity, Brit, WP op/ed, Wash Times, Swift Vets, NRO, Human Events, etal.

48 posted on 09/09/2004 2:38:21 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: BushCountry

I did see it on drudge, thank you, but I thought the actual PICTURE of the type superimposed on the memo might be something drudge would put on his site (or a link to it). I think the picture of what we have just seen provides a compelling argument. Some people really need to SEE what folks are talking about.


49 posted on 09/09/2004 2:38:59 PM PDT by sweetstuff
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To: Howlin

I think Bill Gates was there in '72..he might have done it


50 posted on 09/09/2004 2:39:40 PM PDT by woofie (What Do You Call a Boomerang That Doesn't work? ...a stick)
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