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False Documentation? Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABC News ^ | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:34 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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George W. Bush sits in an F102 fighter jet while serving in the Texas Air National Guard in this undated photo. President Bush was in the National Guard from 1968-1973.
Austin American Statesman/AP Photo

False Documentation?
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABCNEWS.com

Sept. 9, 2004— Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.

"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."

First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.

Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.

"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity

Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter. The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.

More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available … indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"

Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:

   The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
   The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
   The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
   The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
   The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.



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To: Azzurri
I love these photos. :-D

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television." Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

I like this woman. Defending her husband against the media appropriating him for their own agenda, defending the Guard, and defending our honorable President.

They have screwed themselves more than they know. This may forever settle the attacks against Bush's service AND the national Guard, unfairly smeared just because Bush was a member.

61 posted on 09/09/2004 8:06:24 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Jim Robinson

Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein will not be interested in running this to ground.


62 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:14 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That's an image in my mind! Dan Rather being pecked to death by chickens!

As the honorable judge and great American Sanders Sauls of Floriduh once said during the Gore War... "It's like being nibbled to death by ducks."

63 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:23 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: hole_n_one

Those are not even close!

Did Rather think he would get away with this.

Jennings has been looking to be the bigger name for years.
He had no problem with reporting that the documents may be forged today.


64 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:32 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: TheGeezer
Enjoy!
65 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:51 PM PDT by agrace
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To: DManA

Check out Snakehead and the Forehead. The timing of their entry into the Kerry organization is uncanny.


66 posted on 09/09/2004 8:09:26 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Some day a book is going to be written about the work that Freepers did on this matter.

Thank you for giving them the opportunity to show Old Media the skills we all expected the media to possess.


67 posted on 09/09/2004 8:10:00 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

CBS/Dan Rather: Your ass is grass!


68 posted on 09/09/2004 8:10:12 PM PDT by sargon (How could anyone vote for the socialist, weak-on-defense fraud named John Kerry?)
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To: Howlin

Old? You're a young 'un. :)


69 posted on 09/09/2004 8:12:39 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Howlin; Jim Robinson
Wow! I'm impressed I've been telling folks about this all afternoon and evening....That they should watch for a story in the press in the next 2 or 3 days.....But here it is already this evening.....FreeRepublic is really making a difference.

WOO HOO

Thank you both for your instigations.....

70 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Bush Democrats = Zell's Angels)
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To: hispanarepublicana

He couldn't TYPE!!!! Oh my God!!! Didn't those schmucks do even the most basic research??


71 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:29 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: Howlin
On Drudge.........

CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED


72 posted on 09/09/2004 8:14:05 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hispanarepublicana
"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

This is pretty devastating, since CBS has spun this as being from Killian's personal files!

73 posted on 09/09/2004 8:14:43 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Jim Robinson
Heh heh. Heh heh heh.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

74 posted on 09/09/2004 8:14:59 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Howlin
Connell said Killian did not type,Hmmm....

Connell said Killian did not type,Hmmm....

His son and his wife both dispute CBS. WOW!

75 posted on 09/09/2004 8:15:42 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@NIGHTLINE Better Come Through.com)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Fox News has a story now.
76 posted on 09/09/2004 8:15:46 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: hole_n_one

Absolutely astounding.


77 posted on 09/09/2004 8:16:14 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
the 13 point spacing is new to me too. Also, one of the 1973 memos mentions that he was receiving heat from his superior, General Staudt, who retired in 1972.

On another note, what do you think of the superscript in this:

The second line has 111th with the superscript th, and was dated 1968. All the rest have 111th with no superscript. They were obviously written on different typewriters at different times, but it obviously was possible to get a superscript in 1968, as these are official docs.

Here's a link to the doc from the records Bush released. see page 3: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf

78 posted on 09/09/2004 8:17:05 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: hispanarepublicana

They can't admit they were fake. The only thing they can do is report the story that "questions are being raised."


79 posted on 09/09/2004 8:17:33 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: tomahawk

Democrats don't resign.


80 posted on 09/09/2004 8:17:41 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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